More and more legal experts calling for the impeachment of Bush

GrGr

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Legal scholars say condoning abuse could be impeachable offense

By LOLITA C. BALDOR
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - More than 400 legal scholars from across the country urged Congress Wednesday to consider impeaching President Bush and any high-level administration officials who approved the Iraqi prisoner abuses.

In a letter released by two Harvard Law School professors, scholars asked Congress to identify everyone who should be held accountable for the torture at Abu Ghraib prison, and determine what sanctions are appropriate. The sanctions, they said, could include "impeachment and removal from office of any civil officer of the United States responsible."

But Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., meeting with the professors, declined to specifically address the impeachment issue. He instead said the best way to correct the matter is to "elect John Kerry" president.

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[I said earlier that I do not think the Democrats will move to impeach President Bush unless he wins the election. Looks like Kennedy just confirmed that.]

And:

excerpt:

JOHN BONIFAZ: This President has taken this nation to an illegal and unconstitutional war . President is not a king who does not have the power to take the nation to war without congress first authorizing it, first either declaring war or taking equivalent action.Congress never authorized this war, despite the myth of what congress did in October 2002 and the president never had the authority, therefore, to launch this first strike invasion against Iraq. Furthermore, beyond that trampling of the constitution, in taking this nation to illegal war, causing thousands of deaths, we now know that the president lied to the united states congress and to the American people about the reasons for taking a nation to war. Weapons of Mass Destruction, none of which have been found, alleged links to al- Qaeda, none of which have been proven true. This President and his senior advisers who took this nation into a serial war should be now be held accountable for these impeachment offenses. These are the highest of all crimes that could possibly be considered as an impeachable offense and the charge should be made. There is no immunity even in an election year to presidents being charged with impeachable offenses if they have committed them. This president should be charged with having taken this nation to illegal war and having violated the oath of office in the constitution and deserving impeachment.
 

EagleKeeper

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Politcal opportunists. If they can not get the office legally, they will try to destroy it.

Sounds like sour grapes still from 2000
 

GrGr

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Ah so they are political opportunitists first and legal experts second?
 

EagleKeeper

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People need to look at the original intention of impeachment, not the current politcal usage against policies.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Politcal opportunists. If they can not get the office legally, they will try to destroy it.

Sounds like sour grapes still from 2000

Bush stole the election. He was not elected. If he is impeached he can always use that as a defense.

Sour grapes? What an odd thing to say to great patriots who have watch this chimp fling sh!t all over the honor and reputation, such as it wasn't already screwed up by past clowns like Nixon, Reagan, and, at least nationally, by Clinton. Decent people, liberal or conservative alike are deeply morally offended by having moral Pygmies representing us before the world. We don't like being tarred by their filth because we have some small amount of character.
 

Fingolfin269

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Bush stole the election? This is the greatest urban legend of our time... keep it alive please!

BTW, list of these 'legal experts' please.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Politcal opportunists. If they can not get the office legally, they will try to destroy it.

Sounds like sour grapes still from 2000

Bush stole the election. He was not elected. If he is impeached he can always use that as a defense.

Sour grapes? What an odd thing to say to great patriots who have watch this chimp fling sh!t all over the honor and reputation, such as it wasn't already screwed up by past clowns like Nixon, Reagan, and, at least nationally, by Clinton. Decent people, liberal or conservative alike are deeply morally offended by having moral Pygmies representing us before the world. We don't like being tarred by their filth because we have some small amount of character.

since when do libs care anything for honor, morality, and reputations?
 

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In recent history, Clinton was impeached for a few bjs that didn't hurt anybody,

Bush's insane adventure has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

Impeach, tar, feather &amp; run out of town on a rail, cowboy style
 

Fingolfin269

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Originally posted by: NumbersGuy
In recent history, Clinton was impeached for a few bjs that didn't hurt anybody,

Bush's insane adventure has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

Impeach, tar, feather &amp; run out of town on a rail, cowboy style

Hah, that's hilarious.

a few bjs that didn't hurt anybody

So true.
 

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Originally posted by: gsaldivar
I'm sorry guys but stacking people in pyramids, putting underwear on their heads, and making them listen to dogs barking at them is NOT torture.

Sour grapes from the Clinton impeachment. What a bunch of babies.
 

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: gsaldivar
I'm sorry guys but stacking people in pyramids, putting underwear on their heads, and making them listen to dogs barking at them is NOT torture.

Sour grapes from the Clinton impeachment. What a bunch of babies.

Yup, those sexually perverted, sexually repressed southern Christian boys in the house got a major bone stuck in their craw when they couldn't sleep at night thinking about that lucky Clinton, so they had to drag the whole sordid affair out on TV for all the kids to hear about oral sex so they could feed their sick cretinous egos. Clinton Slimes the nation and the Republotards spread the slime all over everybody for years and years and at the cost of millions of our dollars. Clinton got a blow job but those assholes masturbated the whole nation, AGAIN AND AGAIN.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: gsaldivar
I'm sorry guys but stacking people in pyramids, putting underwear on their heads, and making them listen to dogs barking at them is NOT torture.

Sour grapes from the Clinton impeachment. What a bunch of babies.

You don't even know who "they" are. :roll: They could be Republicans for all you know.

Since when is "sour grapes" a worse crime than homicide, torture and usurpation of the US Constitution?
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
People need to look at the original intention of impeachment, not the current politcal usage against policies.

So how do you remove a homicidal usurper from office unless you impeach him first?

Or do you just grin and bear him? Or do you put on your extra special tinfoil hat and wave the flag? Or do you take comfort in your bank account? Or do you sing hail to the chief no matter what?
 

chess9

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Well, that's just so much pissing in the wind. Bush is about as likely to be impeached as I am to break the 4 minute mile.

On the other hand, this is a nice political ploy to attempt to further erode Bush's support among undecideds, what few remain.

-Robert
 

rickn

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Bush stole the election? This is the greatest urban legend of our time... keep it alive please!

BTW, list of these 'legal experts' please.

he didn't steal the election, he was however the only president in my lifetime to appointed to his post by the Supreme Court. The MAJORITY of the American people elected Al Gore as their president
 

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
People need to look at the original intention of impeachment, not the current politcal usage against policies.

So how do you remove a homicidal usurper from office unless you impeach him first?

Or do you just grin and bear him? Or do you put on your extra special tinfoil hat and wave the flag? Or do you take comfort in your bank account? Or do you sing hail to the chief no matter what?

The problem is that if they feel that he should be impeached, then do it now. Waiting until after the election has been lost by the Dems becomes pure petty vindictiveness.

The Repubs came out of the Clinton scandal with egg on their face regarding the impeachment proceedings.

The Dems apparently do not want the same thing to happen. Therefore all the posturing.

It is one thing to impeach, same as being charged by a DA when the police have gathered evidence for a trial.

It is a different thing to convict after weighing the evidence.
Public posturing does not carry any weight in this regard.
 

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The majority didn't vote for Clinton either. It is moot because that is not how Presidents get elected. Bush was not appointed by the Supreme Court, he was voted in by the Electoral College.

Again, as was mentioned, these are myths.

Michael
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Bush stole the election? This is the greatest urban legend of our time... keep it alive please!

BTW, list of these 'legal experts' please.

The letter was signed by a host of legal notables, including former O.J. Simpson defender Alan Dershowitz and the Rev. Robert F. Drinan, a former Massachusetts Congressmanmember who teaches at Georgetown University Law Center

In a letter released by two Harvard Law School professors
Harvard law professor Christine Desan said Congress would have to determine if the abuses rose to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors which would be punishable by impeachment.

But Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., meeting with the professors, declined to specifically address the impeachment issue.

Kennedy realizes that it can not happen. Notice that names are from the liberal democratic side of the fence.

Complete posturing
 

rickn

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Originally posted by: Michael
The majority didn't vote for Clinton either. It is moot because that is not how Presidents get elected. Bush was not appointed by the Supreme Court, he was voted in by the Electoral College.

Again, as was mentioned, these are myths.

Michael

Your myth maybe. It's all a matter of perspective
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
People need to look at the original intention of impeachment, not the current politcal usage against policies.

So how do you remove a homicidal usurper from office unless you impeach him first?

Or do you just grin and bear him? Or do you put on your extra special tinfoil hat and wave the flag? Or do you take comfort in your bank account? Or do you sing hail to the chief no matter what?

The problem is that if they feel that he should be impeached, then do it now. Waiting until after the election has been lost by the Dems becomes pure petty vindictiveness.

The Repubs came out of the Clinton scandal with egg on their face regarding the impeachment proceedings.

The Dems apparently do not want the same thing to happen. Therefore all the posturing.

It is one thing to impeach, same as being charged by a DA when the police have gathered evidence for a trial.

It is a different thing to convict after weighing the evidence.
Public posturing does not carry any weight in this regard.

Actually I agree with many of these arguments. The politicians in this case the Dems, are looking at their options carefully. They know that impeachment is damaging to their vaunted "System" and as you point out could backfire badly. I agree that the politicians are more concerned with what is politically expedient than the "truth". This of course goes doubly for the Republicans who cast their lot with Bush a long time ago. They will sink or swim with Bush and they know it. That is all that matters for them.

But it would be a mistake, imo, to include the "legal experts" with the politicians. I think many of them actually care about US Law. Since Bush is demeaning and debasing the Law it doesn't surprise that they are pissed off.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Since Bush is demeaning and debasing the Law it doesn't surprise that they are pissed off.

Pissed off should not equal impeachment.

I found it interesting that all the actual references sited in the article are from one side of the fence.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: GrGr
Since Bush is demeaning and debasing the Law it doesn't surprise that they are pissed off.

Pissed off should not equal impeachment.

I found it interesting that all the actual references sited in the article are from one side of the fence.

Yes if they are pissed off that Bush broke the law. The whole point with the US system is that no one is above the law. The crimes Bush is accused of isn't exactly on the level of jaywalking. If Bush gets away with it it will mean permanent damage to US and International law.

As for the references I am dissappointed too that there were no names. I'd love to see that list as well.
 

chrisms

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It's sad that most of the opponents of this action have obviously not read into what these what have to say. They could have the most concrete proof in the world that Bush should be impeached but it would not matter. This is a good example of why our country and our system of government has failed miserably the past couple decades.

I am not sure how I feel about impeaching Bush, but don't make an ass out of yourself and immediately come to conclusions based on anything but the facts presented to you.
 
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