"More and more scientists are starting to believe in intelligent design."

02ranger

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I heard this statement this morning, and I was going to ignore it, but the guy that said it usually has his head on straight, so I have to ask. This isn't true, right? I was pretty sure we'be been moving away from that steadily for a while now.....
 

Ruptga

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Lol no.

It's called teaching the controversy, which is just the strategy of repeating lies so often and so loudly that they start to become accepted. I don't know your guy, so I have no idea where he heard it or why he said it, but it's an extremely common tactic among fundamentalists of all stripes.
 
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Jaskalas

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More and more scientists people are becoming stupider.

No, not actually. But propaganda campaigns are more potent than ever. Are scientists affected? Probably, they are human. Yet I'd hope they are intelligent enough to want evidence for their conclusions, backed by sound logic. If more of them start believing in fairy tales then shame on them.

Real men of science are waiting to take their place.
 

Hugo Drax

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It is an interesting issue, but at the same time you cannot prove or disprove intelligent design.
 

Sattern

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We are all matter made up of what came from energy in space, we weren't placed here, but were influenced by other, more advanced beings that gave us a common language.

Where do you think Rosetta's Stone came from?

It would be impossible to translate many languages and fit them on a rock without guidance.

In terms of intelligent design, science is limited to human discovery, so they will end up making changes to their sources once we go into space a bit more and mingle.
 

alzan

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I'd love to have some kind of qualifier for the OP's statement; preferably something other than a poll or survey conducted by an organization that may have an agenda.

As to the thread title and statement, for now I say shens.
 

Gibsons

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This has been claimed for many years now, to no real effect.

From 2008:
NCSE's "Project Steve" is a tongue-in-cheek parody of a long-standing creationist tradition of amassing lists of "scientists who doubt evolution" or "scientists who dissent from Darwinism."

Creationists draw up these lists to try to convince the public that evolution is somehow being rejected by scientists, that it is a "theory in crisis." Not everyone realizes that this claim is unfounded. NCSE has been asked numerous times to compile a list of thousands of scientists affirming the validity of the theory of evolution. Although we easily could have done so, we have resisted. We did not wish to mislead the public into thinking that scientific issues are decided by who has the longer list of scientists!

Project Steve pokes fun at this practice and, because "Steves" are only about 1% of scientists, it also makes the point that tens of thousands of scientists support evolution. And it honors the late Stephen Jay Gould, evolutionary biologist, NCSE supporter, and friend.

We'd like to think that after Project Steve, we'll have seen the last of bogus "scientists doubting evolution" lists, but it's probably too much to ask. We hope that when such lists are proposed, reporters and other citizens will ask, "How many Steves are on your list!?"
http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve
 

HamburgerBoy

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lol, I love how the obvious problem here rests with the op taking anything anyone says at face value, and now instead of addressing that people actually spend time thinking/worrying over the statement that some random poster posted purportedly from some guy he knows. I mean, I know that defeatism is huge on this place (I bet the majority of ATOT bows to Idiocracy), but seriously guys.
 

CottonRabbit

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We are all matter made up of what came from energy in space, we weren't placed here, but were influenced by other, more advanced beings that gave us a common language.

Where do you think Rosetta's Stone came from?

It would be impossible to translate many languages and fit them on a rock without guidance.

In terms of intelligent design, science is limited to human discovery, so they will end up making changes to their sources once we go into space a bit more and mingle.

Yep, carving a stone with three languages is definitely an impossible task for ordinary humans.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rosetta_Stone.JPG#mediaviewer/File:Rosetta_Stone.JPG

The only way more scientists could believe in intelligent design is if they loosened the requirement to be called a scientist.
 

IronWing

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More and more scientists are starting to believe that Ironwing is awesome.
 

bradly1101

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I don't know how anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the natural world could believe in ID. All of life's evolution and adaptation is right there in the fossil record.
 

lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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I don't know how anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the natural world could believe in ID. All of life's evolution and adaptation is right there in the fossil record.

Not *all* of life's evolution. How did it get to the planet in the first place? Can you prove it? No? Therefore magic!
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Not *all* of life's evolution. How did it get to the planet in the first place? Can you prove it? No? Therefore magic!

That's not in the purview of evolution at all. There are other theories, which potentially cover that too though.
 

lxskllr

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That's not in the purview of evolution at all. There are other theories, which potentially cover that too though.

But it is in the purview of ID. ID covers everything that isn't fully understood or proven under the umbrella of magic.
 

KB

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It's a lie. What's actually happening is Creationists are just labeling more and more creationists as scientists. These people are far from scientists as they happen to not be following the scientific method.
 

phucheneh

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lol, I love how the obvious problem here rests with the op taking anything anyone says at face value, and now instead of addressing that people actually spend time thinking/worrying over the statement that some random poster posted purportedly from some guy he knows. I mean, I know that defeatism is huge on this place (I bet the majority of ATOT bows to Idiocracy), but seriously guys.

More and more scientists are starting to believe in intelligent design.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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But it is in the purview of ID. ID covers everything that isn't fully understood or proven under the umbrella of magic.

ID like evolution specifically explains speciation. I'd rather go with abiogenesis for explaining how life started.
 
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