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Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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apparently you are.

show me HARD evidence of who, what, when, where and why. i guess those fundamentals of reporting are a distant memory.

Seeing how no one here is on the NSC, I guess you'll just have to keep asking. All the while screaming "FAKE NEWS" and disregarding how these things work. And this is the exact same type of reporting as Watergate.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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apparently you are.

show me HARD evidence of who, what, when, where and why. i guess those fundamentals of reporting are a distant memory.
There can be no Hard evidence for a bigot because your whole mentality is designed to deny any fact or facts that would cause you to doubt your beliefs. You know there is a truth that is good and have been deeply conditioned to believe that truth is only true if what you believe also is. Until you can use your mind to see that everybody, almost, is just like you, all the billions of other bigots who believe just as you do, but have completely different conditioned beliefs, you will not be able to entertain the idea that not only can everybody not be right, but that nobody is who believes in evil.
 
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OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
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Seeing how no one here is on the NSC, I guess you'll just have to keep asking. All the while screaming "FAKE NEWS" and disregarding how these things work. And this is the exact same type of reporting as Watergate.

i didnt say fake news, Ijust want real news that has hard facts from real news sources.

so this is your watergate? just wondering.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I guess since insults to people did win you elections the next logic step is to increase the insults until the desired result is achieved. Unicorn much with a Dimocrat savior? Not sure where 52% of voters picked a Dimocrat candidate. No candidate won a majority in the popular vote.

lol. Are you honestly suggesting through clear inference that insulting everyone did not win elections for republicans?
 
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Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Not so much in germany because it's potentially punishable by law. Maybe some of the americans rather protective of their race realists can pick up the slack.
Racism is an ego disease. It's premise is that one race, the one the bigot belong to, is superior to all others. This is a notion that has appeal to those whose self self respect has been so damaged that the notion of ones race being superior is all that one's ego has left to cling to as a substitute for self respect. It is based on the destruction in childhood of feelings of empathy for any but one's own group.

Your answer to this is to denigrate the one thing these sick people have left to cling to which is just more of the same that turned these people into racists in the first place. This is why you're actually an idiot and don't see it. Racism scares you. It is a threat to your self respect, one equally shallowly based. It is just another way to inflate the ego, to substitute "I'm anti-racists" to your list of gold stars.

Shame and humiliation makes a bigot a bigot and your answer is more shame. You work on the side of life that promotes bigot creation.

The cure for bigotry is the acquisition of real self love, the realization that is race is a meaningless differentiation, that we are all human and that we are all the same.

You want to condemn people who suffer a condition of abject misery called self hate because you suffer the same condition. You pump the Marry Go Round. Put downs is what made us sick and you add to that sickness in the mistaken notion you know the real good.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I don't get the "ignore the Russians, they are good people" people.

The democratic system of the entire west is under attack by Russia, they are paying off far right wing parties like Front Nationale, UKIP, BNP, Golden Dawn and loads of other anti EU parties all over Europe and they are doing their damndest to break up NATO and trade agreements between western Europe, Asia and the North American nations.

Do you think that is benign or an actual threat to the prosperity and peace we have enjoyed in the west for a long time? Russia wants the era of democracy and prosperity in the west to end and you can pick what side you want to be on or even worse, pretend that reality isn't real because it is inconvenient for you.

Amazing, right? and here we have jump-to-conspiracy loons on the right that so casually dismiss this actual, verifiable, factual assessment of the reality of the world.

fucking amazing, the derangements they gleefully adopt once they've been convinced by their craven betters that they are too stupid to understand the world around them. "Just trust me!" says Paul Ryan as he takes their money and funnels it away to the 0.01%
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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and there we have it. im a bigot.

on a side note. fuck you.
Not only are you a bigot, but you hate yourself for being one. You are a bigot in fact and that is all. You can't take that in because you contribute the feeling that being a bigot makes you despicable because it is how you were made to feel long ago. As I said, there is no hard evidence for you that you are one, but it is obvious to everyone else. Had you not become a bigot, conformed the the pressures of your childhood conditioning, you would not have survived. Your bigotry is what saved you from what would have been unremitting torture from the bigots you were surrounded by.

I am not trying to make you feel bad, you already feel worse than anybody today could ever now make you. I am trying to tell you you were always OK, that you no longer need the armor you once had to don. We all went through what you went through. We are all just like you. The truth of what happened to us made us believe in lies. You were perfect the day you were born. What lies between you and that perfection is a mountain of tears. There is love within you beyond imagination. There you will find the real good.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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apparently you are.

show me HARD evidence of who, what, when, where and why. i guess those fundamentals of reporting are a distant memory.

Literally, the amount of information implicating russian meddling is 100x fold over what you had with Iraq. What the * ever dude, you want me to point to my shotgunned chest cavity before accepting that maybe someone is trying to kill me.. or maybe I did that to myself.. yea thats more likely.
I guess it comes down to you and me not agreeing on math. Just saying, when me and my math leaves for mars you aint coming with.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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then i will accept it and be on your side. until then im neutral.

OK, fair enough. Then I guess you realize that the hard evidence you desire, either way, will be available when the investigation is completed.

I assure you, though, this isn't a situation of opening dozens of additional investigations on Ben-Gazi just to find evidence of something that a handful of people believe must be true. I don't recall even one conservative demanding real evidence for any of that, but were certain that endless investigations were necessary until some was cocked up.
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
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Racism is an ego disease. It's premise is that one race, the one the bigot belong to, is superior to all others. This is a notion that has appeal to those whose self self respect has been so damaged that the notion of ones race being superior is all that one's ego has left to cling to as a substitute for self respect. It is based on the destruction in childhood of feelings of empathy for any but one's own group.

Your answer to this is to denigrate the one thing these sick people have left to cling to which is just more of the same that turned these people into racists in the first place. This is why you're actually an idiot and don't see it. Racism scares you. It is a threat to your self respect, one equally shallowly based. It is just another way to inflate the ego, to substitute "I'm anti-racists" to your list of gold stars.

Shame and humiliation makes a bigot a bigot and your answer is more shame. You work on the side of life that promotes bigot creation.

The cure for bigotry is the acquisition of real self love, the realization that is race is a meaningless differentiation, that we are all human and that we are all the same.

You want to condemn people who suffer a condition of abject misery called self hate because you suffer the same condition. You pump the Marry Go Round. Put downs is what made us sick and you add to that sickness in the mistaken notion you know the real good.

Yeah I'm sure the nazis came about because those germans were treated real bad as kids, and if we treated nazis or their american counterparts better they wouldn't be racist pieces of shit. No, as a simle matter of history we beat nazis into the ground and they learned a lesson from the beating, ie. no sons of the reich in germany via de-nazification post ww2. We basically tried your nazi-sympathizer way post civil war and our nazis came up with segregation. We skipped the beatdown again post civil rights and now the GOP pander to the same racist pieces of shit to get votes for upper crust tax cuts. I don't expect being informed of basic history will change nazi/confederate-sympathizers with their ego and all.

There's no mystery which solutions woolfe and you prefer; there's no need to name any more names, they know who they are. Your lot are the placebos to cancer, and have to gall to criticize radiation.
 
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Mandres

Senior member
Jun 8, 2011
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Flynn's resignation was enough to convince me that this is more than just left-wing noise. He hitched his wagon to a (very) dark horse early on, actually won the election, and was sitting in a place of power. Flynn would not have resigned lightly.
 
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brandonbull

Diamond Member
May 3, 2005
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When are we going to go after the actual people that there is actual evidence of election collusion and interference? DNC, Obama's administration, and Clinton. If the Russians hacked the election, that is not a good thing and would require some punishment. What do you expect from your "enemy"? Factions of the government trying to fix elections is not something that is to be expected.
 

J.Wilkins

Platinum Member
Jun 5, 2017
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so somebody said there was a secret CIA Report.... and some washpost reporter ate it up...

What is this shit? How the fuck did you come to trust politicians and over the media that for centuries have uncovered the politicians shady dealings?

Donald says "fake media" and you say "yes sir"?

How fucking pathetic.
 

J.Wilkins

Platinum Member
Jun 5, 2017
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When are we going to go after the actual people that there is actual evidence of election collusion and interference? DNC, Obama's administration, and Clinton. If the Russians hacked the election, that is not a good thing and would require some punishment. What do you expect from your "enemy"? Factions of the government trying to fix elections is not something that is to be expected.

Since you are apparently the person sitting on all that evidence I suggest you present it, several investigations into all of that have found absolutely NOTHING but you keep hawking the issue to deflect from the investigations that have uncovered real things like lies about meetings with a Russian spy recruiter and not just once, not twice but over 30 times counting all the people and that is not counting the business deals made or the FACT that Trump does do a lot of business with the nations he favours.

Buh... Clinton... ?

She lost, get over it, you can't keep blaming her for Trumps fuck ups.
 

Azuma Hazuki

Golden Member
Jun 18, 2012
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Oh fuck that guy, another one for the ignore list. He isn't even coherent enough to bother responding to.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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When are we going to go after the actual people that there is actual evidence of election collusion and interference? DNC, Obama's administration, and Clinton.
I'm still waiting for that post where all the liberals get schooled with all the hard, indisputable evidence you have to back up claims of collusion. The DNC favored Hillary Clinton as opposed to someone who didn't even call himself a Democrat. How is that news to anyone??! Newsflash...The RNC didn't want Trump to get the nomination either, and were scheming of ways to prevent it up to the eve of the convention!

So yeah, a few emails get leaked, DNC chair DWS and Donna Brazile have egg on their faces and they got fired. Where is the crime???

FFS, Obama knew about Russian meddling in AUGUST and didn't do anything for fear of even the appearance of election interference!
 
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OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
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What is this shit? How the fuck did you come to trust politicians and over the media that for centuries have uncovered the politicians shady dealings?

Donald says "fake media" and you say "yes sir"?

How fucking pathetic.

still waiting for proof, and so far there is NONE.

hysterical/biased media says hang him and you say Yes Sir!!!?

how fucking pathetic.
 

J.Wilkins

Platinum Member
Jun 5, 2017
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still waiting for proof, and so far there is NONE.

hysterical/biased media says hang him and you say Yes Sir!!!?

how fucking pathetic.

We are ALL waiting for the evidence to be laid bare but the investigation is ongoing and while much evidence is already available and has led to people being fired, excused and an expanded investigation these things take time.

We do KNOW about the contacts, we do KNOW that, no one is fucking denying any of that and no one is denying the business dealings either, there won't be charges on these things until the investigation is concluded though and when it comes to the utter corruption that resembles a third world nations president that may even be legal BUT it may be illegal to not present it.

That you think that the media is your enemy for reporting on the shady things politicians are doing when your idol is in the house says quite a lot about you.

You are the type of person Churchill was talking about when he made the quip about the greatest downside to democracy.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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Lol!..Now the White House is finally admitting the Russians meddled in the campaign...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-ho...campaign-denies-changed-result-201048140.html

Trumpists will simply deny it happened.
FAKE NEWS! MEDIA MADE IT UP! TRUMP CONCEDES NOTHING!!!

Great, they finally admit it. Now what are they going to do about it??? They were about to reward the Russians with eased sanctions and giving them back their compounds until the Senate got involved...
 
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