More idiots that did not get their kids vaccinated = dead/sick kids.

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: freegeeks
It's very simple where I live, certain vaccinations for children are mandatory, you will be prosecuted for criminal neglect if you refuse and you will probably end up in jail

:thumbsup:

If you don't mind me asking, what country do you live in?

His profile says Belgium.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Nothing is completely safe, vaccines do have potential side effects, some very serious. On a macro level, though, the benefits of vaccination FAR outweigh any negative effects.

Fortunately, herd immunity will probably protect the kids of dumbfucks like you and looker.

I rather not take a chances that one of those potential side effect will kill my child or hurt them for the rest of their life.

As my grandfather(who was a doctor) said, "If you ever see a child with whooping cough, you will decide to vaccinate your child."

Here is the problem with you looker. You have been raised in a society that has pretty much eliminated most deadly diseases THROUGH vaccination. You now have some confidence that nothing will happen to your child.

It isn't like vaccinations started in the past 10 years. They have been occuring for over 50 years.

When we start seeing lots of kids die to parents like you, people will take heed. The sad part is that many children will die to completely ignorant stupid motherfucker parents like yourself. Maybe your choice but you are still a stupid motherfucker.

That's completely uncalled for - personal attack and all.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
To those that are saying "You not vaccinating is putting everyone else in danger"...

If you/everyone else is vaccinated, what the hell are you worried about? You can't possibly contract the illness right? So why the hell do you care if someone doesn't get their kid vaccinated? Just more room in the world for your kids when that one dies. :roll:

Not every vaccination takes. Simple as that.

Especially with infants at young ages. They are depending on their mother's immunity for the first 8-10 weeks of life.

So a vaccinated child may still be susceptible but if generally protected if everyone vaccinates.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Nothing is completely safe, vaccines do have potential side effects, some very serious. On a macro level, though, the benefits of vaccination FAR outweigh any negative effects.

Fortunately, herd immunity will probably protect the kids of dumbfucks like you and looker.

I rather not take a chances that one of those potential side effect will kill my child or hurt them for the rest of their life.

As my grandfather(who was a doctor) said, "If you ever see a child with whooping cough, you will decide to vaccinate your child."

Here is the problem with you looker. You have been raised in a society that has pretty much eliminated most deadly diseases THROUGH vaccination. You now have some confidence that nothing will happen to your child.

It isn't like vaccinations started in the past 10 years. They have been occuring for over 50 years.

When we start seeing lots of kids die to parents like you, people will take heed. The sad part is that many children will die to completely ignorant stupid motherfucker parents like yourself. Maybe your choice but you are still a stupid motherfucker.

That's completely uncalled for - personal attack and all.

Lets do the checkmarks.

Ignorant? DING DING DING
So he is definitely ignorant

stupid? DING DING DING

as for motherfucker, hey he very well might be. I was just throwing that in for extra zing. Maybe he should let us know that he isn't and I will apologize but I will not take the stupid or ignorant part back......

 

[So]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Nothing is completely safe, vaccines do have potential side effects, some very serious. On a macro level, though, the benefits of vaccination FAR outweigh any negative effects.

Fortunately, herd immunity will probably protect the kids of dumbfucks like you and looker.

I rather not take a chances that one of those potential side effect will kill my child or hurt them for the rest of their life.

As my grandfather(who was a doctor) said, "If you ever see a child with whooping cough, you will decide to vaccinate your child."

Here is the problem with you looker. You have been raised in a society that has pretty much eliminated most deadly diseases THROUGH vaccination. You now have some confidence that nothing will happen to your child.

It isn't like vaccinations started in the past 10 years. They have been occuring for over 50 years.

When we start seeing lots of kids die to parents like you, people will take heed. The sad part is that many children will die to completely ignorant stupid motherfucker parents like yourself. Maybe your choice but you are still a stupid motherfucker.

That's completely uncalled for - personal attack and all.

Antivaxxers are disgusting and I'd like to see looker001 apologize for endangering us all.

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Nothing is completely safe, vaccines do have potential side effects, some very serious. On a macro level, though, the benefits of vaccination FAR outweigh any negative effects.

Fortunately, herd immunity will probably protect the kids of dumbfucks like you and looker.

I rather not take a chances that one of those potential side effect will kill my child or hurt them for the rest of their life.

As my grandfather(who was a doctor) said, "If you ever see a child with whooping cough, you will decide to vaccinate your child."

Here is the problem with you looker. You have been raised in a society that has pretty much eliminated most deadly diseases THROUGH vaccination. You now have some confidence that nothing will happen to your child.

It isn't like vaccinations started in the past 10 years. They have been occuring for over 50 years.

When we start seeing lots of kids die to parents like you, people will take heed. The sad part is that many children will die to completely ignorant stupid motherfucker parents like yourself. Maybe your choice but you are still a stupid motherfucker.

That's completely uncalled for - personal attack and all.

Antivaxxers are disgusting and I'd like to see looker001 apologize for endangering us all.

I will never apologize for putting my kids safety first before everyone else.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Nothing is completely safe, vaccines do have potential side effects, some very serious. On a macro level, though, the benefits of vaccination FAR outweigh any negative effects.

Fortunately, herd immunity will probably protect the kids of dumbfucks like you and looker.

I rather not take a chances that one of those potential side effect will kill my child or hurt them for the rest of their life.

As my grandfather(who was a doctor) said, "If you ever see a child with whooping cough, you will decide to vaccinate your child."

Here is the problem with you looker. You have been raised in a society that has pretty much eliminated most deadly diseases THROUGH vaccination. You now have some confidence that nothing will happen to your child.

It isn't like vaccinations started in the past 10 years. They have been occuring for over 50 years.

When we start seeing lots of kids die to parents like you, people will take heed. The sad part is that many children will die to completely ignorant stupid motherfucker parents like yourself. Maybe your choice but you are still a stupid motherfucker.

That's completely uncalled for - personal attack and all.

Antivaxxers are disgusting and I'd like to see looker001 apologize for endangering us all.

I will never apologize for putting my kids safety first before everyone else.

Trolls. Dont feed them.

 

[actuarial]

I don't understand the reasoning behind the anti-vaccination people

You have a) Risking your child die from a plethora of horrible diseases
or b) Risking your child gets a non-fatal developmental disorder

Bear in mind that b) hasn't even been proven by any study anyone's shown me, and a) is very, very real, I don't see how anyone could choose NOT to vaccinate.

Thankfully, up here in Canada you can't attend public school without your shots!

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: looker001
Maybe i am a fool but it's my right to be a fool or maybe sciences is wrong. Either way, it don't really matter. A lot of people believe same thing that i do and percentage of vaccination seems to be pretty low.

You only have that right for yourself. By contracting some contagion, you put others at risk also. That is NOT a right that you have.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: OverVolt
As for vaccinations, we have gotten carried away, that's the main problem. The disease the article is talking about is rare. It's not polio, it's not measles, it's not the flu. Right from the beginning most of you posters are making an error and blowing this out of proportion.

How can you advocate Hepatitis B+A vaccinations for babies? The only way to transmit the disease is through drug use (non-sterile needles) and sex. How can you justify a macro gain for a nearly zero % risk group when there are side effects?

Anyway, thought I might post this for you guys to argue about:

http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#thi

No one even mentioned this, but it's really at the heart of what we are arguing over. Even if a baby is exposed to only 0.5mcg of mercury, that is huge to me. How many times over are they exposed? There are no current limits that I know of for having vaccinations close together.

Also, the article I linked specifies that multi-dose vials for vaccaines are preserved, and that single dose vials/syringes are the main reason they are able to take the preservative out. I'm not sure how things are done these days, do you? Maybe someone can find it in that, or somewhere else. Do they still use multi-dose vials for vaccines?

This is the heart of the argument that dumb blonde McCarty will never get. She claims that her kid is autistic because of vaccines. The supposition is that thimerosal is the cause. But all those new cases of autism are from thimerosal FREE vaccines. See this table. table It was blamed on MMR innoculations. Free... Junk Science wins with the mindless.

IIRC, MMR did have thimerosal in it until 1990 something. That is probably the distinction between MMR-II and MMR the original.

Ethyl Hg <> Methyl Hg anyway.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: looker001
Maybe i am a fool but it's my right to be a fool or maybe sciences is wrong. Either way, it don't really matter. A lot of people believe same thing that i do and percentage of vaccination seems to be pretty low.

You only have that right for yourself. By contracting some contagion, you put others at risk also. That is NOT a right that you have.

You realize that vaccinated individuals contract the exact same contagions that non-vaccinated individuals do right? By contracting a virus, a non-vaccinated individual put no one else at any greater risk of contracting the infection from the source than if they were vaccinated.

Vaccinations bolster the immune system to fight infection and prevent it from reaching "critical mass" before the body can react, not prevent the virus from entering the body in the first place.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: looker001
Maybe i am a fool but it's my right to be a fool or maybe sciences is wrong. Either way, it don't really matter. A lot of people believe same thing that i do and percentage of vaccination seems to be pretty low.

You only have that right for yourself. By contracting some contagion, you put others at risk also. That is NOT a right that you have.

You realize that vaccinated individuals contract the exact same contagions that non-vaccinated individuals do right? By contracting a virus, a non-vaccinated individual put no one else at any greater risk of contracting the infection from the source than if they were vaccinated.

Vaccinations bolster the immune system to fight infection and prevent it from reaching "critical mass" before the body can react, not prevent the virus from entering the body in the first place.

But a successful vaccination means you don't get the disease and hence aren't contagious.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: looker001
Maybe i am a fool but it's my right to be a fool or maybe sciences is wrong. Either way, it don't really matter. A lot of people believe same thing that i do and percentage of vaccination seems to be pretty low.

You only have that right for yourself. By contracting some contagion, you put others at risk also. That is NOT a right that you have.

You realize that vaccinated individuals contract the exact same contagions that non-vaccinated individuals do right? By contracting a virus, a non-vaccinated individual put no one else at any greater risk of contracting the infection from the source than if they were vaccinated.

Vaccinations bolster the immune system to fight infection and prevent it from reaching "critical mass" before the body can react, not prevent the virus from entering the body in the first place.

But a successful vaccination means you don't get the disease and hence aren't contagious.

You're still contagious, just to a lesser extent than with full blown infection. And again - what does it matter, everyone around you is immunized right? Nothing to worry about then.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: looker001
Maybe i am a fool but it's my right to be a fool or maybe sciences is wrong. Either way, it don't really matter. A lot of people believe same thing that i do and percentage of vaccination seems to be pretty low.

You only have that right for yourself. By contracting some contagion, you put others at risk also. That is NOT a right that you have.

You realize that vaccinated individuals contract the exact same contagions that non-vaccinated individuals do right? By contracting a virus, a non-vaccinated individual put no one else at any greater risk of contracting the infection from the source than if they were vaccinated.

Vaccinations bolster the immune system to fight infection and prevent it from reaching "critical mass" before the body can react, not prevent the virus from entering the body in the first place.

You fail to understand how the immune response works when you've been vaccinated. If some of the virus gets into you in some way, your body will know how to react and ramp up anti-body production (which it will already have specific B-cells for due to vaccination), thus the virus will never get to levels which could cause it to spread and the virus will be killed long before there are enough to cause potentially irreparable harm to the body.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: looker001
Maybe i am a fool but it's my right to be a fool or maybe sciences is wrong. Either way, it don't really matter. A lot of people believe same thing that i do and percentage of vaccination seems to be pretty low.

You only have that right for yourself. By contracting some contagion, you put others at risk also. That is NOT a right that you have.

You realize that vaccinated individuals contract the exact same contagions that non-vaccinated individuals do right? By contracting a virus, a non-vaccinated individual put no one else at any greater risk of contracting the infection from the source than if they were vaccinated.

Vaccinations bolster the immune system to fight infection and prevent it from reaching "critical mass" before the body can react, not prevent the virus from entering the body in the first place.

But a successful vaccination means you don't get the disease and hence aren't contagious.

You're still contagious, just to a lesser extent than with full blown infection. And again - what does it matter, everyone around you is immunized right? Nothing to worry about then.

If enough people buy into junk science and irrational fears, the amount of people around you that are vaccinated will fall below the threshold level for herd immunity, thus, it is something to worry about when people start touting their bullshit to the world.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: looker001
Maybe i am a fool but it's my right to be a fool or maybe sciences is wrong. Either way, it don't really matter. A lot of people believe same thing that i do and percentage of vaccination seems to be pretty low.

You only have that right for yourself. By contracting some contagion, you put others at risk also. That is NOT a right that you have.

You realize that vaccinated individuals contract the exact same contagions that non-vaccinated individuals do right? By contracting a virus, a non-vaccinated individual put no one else at any greater risk of contracting the infection from the source than if they were vaccinated.

Vaccinations bolster the immune system to fight infection and prevent it from reaching "critical mass" before the body can react, not prevent the virus from entering the body in the first place.

But a successful vaccination means you don't get the disease and hence aren't contagious.

You're still contagious, just to a lesser extent than with full blown infection. And again - what does it matter, everyone around you is immunized right? Nothing to worry about then.

No on both counts.

As others have already pointed out, vaccination isn't 100% effective. A successful vaccination will prevent the pathogen from replicating and successfully spreading, epidemiologists have known this for decades.

Your ignorance doesn't make you correct, it makes you ignorant.

 

[lokiju]

My mom is on some kick about not getting my soon to be child vaccinated and my brother and his kid that was just born a few months ago.

I just want to send her the Picard facepalm pic every time as a reply when she emails me this stuff.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: looker001
Maybe i am a fool but it's my right to be a fool or maybe sciences is wrong. Either way, it don't really matter. A lot of people believe same thing that i do and percentage of vaccination seems to be pretty low.

You only have that right for yourself. By contracting some contagion, you put others at risk also. That is NOT a right that you have.

You realize that vaccinated individuals contract the exact same contagions that non-vaccinated individuals do right? By contracting a virus, a non-vaccinated individual put no one else at any greater risk of contracting the infection from the source than if they were vaccinated.

Vaccinations bolster the immune system to fight infection and prevent it from reaching "critical mass" before the body can react, not prevent the virus from entering the body in the first place.

But a successful vaccination means you don't get the disease and hence aren't contagious.

You're still contagious, just to a lesser extent than with full blown infection. And again - what does it matter, everyone around you is immunized right? Nothing to worry about then.

No on both counts.

As others have already pointed out, vaccination isn't 100% effective. A successful vaccination will prevent the pathogen from replicating and successfully spreading, epidemiologists have known this for decades.

Your ignorance doesn't make you correct, it makes you ignorant.

Guess you didn't catch the sarcasm there. You must have been vaccinated against it...

 

[So]

Originally posted by: lokiju
My mom is on some kick about not getting my soon to be child vaccinated and my brother and his kid that was just born a few months ago.

I just want to send her the Picard facepalm pic every time as a reply when she emails me this stuff.

Just send her an email asking why she wants your children to die of preventable diseases.

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: lokiju
My mom is on some kick about not getting my soon to be child vaccinated and my brother and his kid that was just born a few months ago.

I just want to send her the Picard facepalm pic every time as a reply when she emails me this stuff.

Just send her an email asking why she wants your children to die of preventable diseases.

His mom likely will reply and ask him why he wants his kid to be at risk of retardation that is also preventable by not subjecting them to vaccination.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: lokiju
My mom is on some kick about not getting my soon to be child vaccinated and my brother and his kid that was just born a few months ago.

I just want to send her the Picard facepalm pic every time as a reply when she emails me this stuff.

Just send her an email asking why she wants your children to die of preventable diseases.

His mom likely will reply and ask him why he wants his kid to be at risk of retardation that is also preventable by not subjecting them to vaccination.

But you see, one is real (disease) and one is imaginary (risk from vaccines).

 

[vhx]

Depends on the vaccines, really. I'm sure most people are wary about old ass vaccines with mercury and those new HPV vaccines have caused deaths and tissue damage that leads to cancer (irony?).

I also remember reading a while ago how they found the whooping cough vaccine didn't work that well (80% of those vaccinated could still contract it) and those with measles vaccinations up to 20% end up having measles infections on the brain later in life. It's not just religion, it's about it not making any sense to get one with information like that.

Most people view flu shots as a joke. I had a few friends go for one, and all ended up getting the flu shortly after anyways and proceeded to bitch about it, and will never get one again. Doesn't seem like it's uncommon when googling either.

Anyways long story short, it's up to the parents or the individual. If they research that 0-10 people had Polio in their city in the last 5 years, it's up to them to gamble their loved ones on it. Honestly, I wouldn't want to guinea pig any of these new vaccines a lot of the public has been doing lately. As far as old vaccines go, meh, too late for me anyways to worry about it.

/2c

 

[BornStarlet]

To those arguing that if you are immunized you aren't at risk of catching diseases from those who aren't:
1. As mentioned, vaccines aren't 100% effective
2. Immunocompromised patients are unable to be vaccinated... so that baby who needed a heart or liver transplant? at risk for their whole life.
3. Some immunizations can't be given before a certain age. I saw multiple kids with whooping cough last winter because they were too young to be vaccinated against it... Those are some sick babies... As someone mentioned earlier, the whopping cough vaccine doesn't "not work" immunity just wanes over time, hence the new recommendations for adult pertussis boosters (similar to getting a tetanus booster)... its not rocket science

As to the people who asked about multi-dose vials: all of the vaccines I can ever remember giving have been in multi dose vials... those are much cheaper, and I've mostly done them at free clinics *shrug*

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: lokiju
My mom is on some kick about not getting my soon to be child vaccinated and my brother and his kid that was just born a few months ago.

I just want to send her the Picard facepalm pic every time as a reply when she emails me this stuff.

Just send her an email asking why she wants your children to die of preventable diseases.

His mom likely will reply and ask him why he wants his kid to be at risk of retardation that is also preventable by not subjecting them to vaccination.

Two things:

1) Autism and the autism spectrum disorders are NOT forms of mental retardation

2) To the best of my knowledge, vaccination has never convincingly been linked to either autism/autism spectrum disorders OR mental retardation/intellectual disabilities

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: OverVolt
Anyway, thought I might post this for you guys to argue about:

http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#thi

No one even mentioned this, but it's really at the heart of what we are arguing over. Even if a baby is exposed to only 0.5mcg of mercury, that is huge to me. How many times over are they exposed? There are no current limits that I know of for having vaccinations close together.

Do you have any fillings? Yes? Figures.

You can do better than the old thimerosal scare. There is NO evidence that it has any negative effects, you get more mercury from fish, and the only reason why they stopped using it is because of crowd hysteria. Same reason they started calling Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, Magnetic Resonance Imaging...people were scared of Nuclear even though it's exactly the same procedure (which is orders of magnitude safer than a CAT scan). People falsely assume that lawsuits or the phasing-out of certain ingredients constitute proof of "guilt" or "danger", when they do nothing of the sort.

We only use single-dose vaccines here because we are rich enough to throw money away. Overseas they still use thimerosal, because it's safe and cheap.

Originally posted by: looker001
I will never apologize for putting my kids safety first before everyone else.

Except that, metaphorically speaking, you are taking your kid out of the dangerous playground where they might fall off the slide and get hurt, and putting them on the nice safe railroad tracks which are flat and even. Great parenting, champ.:roll:

You are endangering your child, and while I won't hope that an innocent child suffers just to teach YOU a lesson, I hope that if they catch something and suffer permanent damage from it, they blame you for the rest of your life. Because it's YOUR fault, and you are being negligent as a parent.