Originally posted by: Layzie310
Originally posted by: EpsiIon
I'm not trying to be a jerk. I don't care about Kobe or the Lakers. If his teammates say he's reserved, then he's probably reserved. Whatever.
However, I still don't understand how this relates to how many Lakers games you've watched. And I still don't see any sources telling me that Phil Jackson and Shaq tried to sabotage Kobe. Plus, where's your proof that the "NBA decided that the Lakers would not win the series?" It just sounds like fanboy babbling.
That's what we mean when we say your argument doesn't hold water.
It relates to how many games you watch because then you can get beyond the hype. You can see how Kobe does all of the little things that make him a truly great player. You can see how Shaq has been out of shape for the last three years.
You can see how Phil purposely does not try to help Kobe in the Laker offense in order to make a point to Kobe that he is the mighty Phil Jackson and you will bow down to his rule. The problem is that the Lakers have lacked talent for the past couple years and was desperate for more help from Kobe and Shaq. But, when Shaq is out of shape, mostly because Phil refused to push Shaq to be in shape, then it's obvious that Kobe needs to be more of a focus on offense. But, then Phil refuses to set screens for him or run any kind of play that would make scoring easier for him. That is sabotaging the team. He knows Kobe could do more, but he refuses to let him fearing that doing so would hurt his own pride. Then, when Kobe goes out of his mind on the court helping the team win, Phil has the nerve to tell him that he's not fitting into the system and so he's hurting the team.
And what's even worse, Phil refuses to keep all of his criticism of Kobe in the locker room and would rather spoonfeed it to the media which hounds the team daily, trying to create turmoil during a tough time for Kobe. The media has proven throughout Kobe's career that they'd love nothing more than for him to fall on his face. The last year they went for the kill with Kobe on the ropes. And Phil just didn't care. His domination of Kobe was more important than team harmony.
Regarding the finals, I'm just not going to bother arguing over it anymore. I watched the games. I have the footage, I have the tapes. Whenever I get time I'll make it painfully obvious for all of you that something was not right. I can't express how stunned I am by the willingness of so many to let their hate for the Lakers cloud their judgment. But for now, if you're hungry for something more tangible, go look at the free throw statistics in game 4.
Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
Hype? Looks like you're the one buying some hype :roll: Why don't you post some hard evidence. How could someone like you "get into some NBA offices and steal their official documents" pfft Until you bring up some hard evidence to back up your conspiracy theories, you're just another troll with a tinfoil cap so please STFU. Have a nice day.
Originally posted by: EpsiIon
I found the following here.
"For the fourth straight game, the Pistons were the more energetic, hungrier team. They shot 41 free throws to 22 for the Lakers, held a 45-38 rebounding edge and scored 21 fast-break points."
So they shot twice as many free throws as the Lakers... That just means there were a lot of fouls. It may be indicative of foul play (hehe), but it's not proof. I could also argue that they lost because they were out-rebounded (45-38), they couldn't contain the fast break (Pistons scored 21(!) fast break points), and Bryant threw away 17-of-25 shots. None of these have anything to do the NBA deciding that the Lakers weren't going to win the series. Honestly, that just sounds paranoid.
Originally posted by: EpsiIon
I found the following here.
"For the fourth straight game, the Pistons were the more energetic, hungrier team. They shot 41 free throws to 22 for the Lakers, held a 45-38 rebounding edge and scored 21 fast-break points."
So they shot twice as many free throws as the Lakers... That just means there were a lot of fouls. It may be indicative of foul play (hehe), but it's not proof. I could also argue that they lost because they were out-rebounded (45-38), they couldn't contain the fast break (Pistons scored 21(!) fast break points), and Bryant threw away 17-of-25 shots. None of these have anything to do the NBA deciding that the Lakers weren't going to win the series. Honestly, that just sounds paranoid.
Originally posted by: Layzie310
Actually, it's a realization that it's pointless to expend all this energy now when things would be so obvious for everyone once I decide to do something with my tapes. And the Lakers' first preseason game just started and I'd rather watch my team play.
Continue to think what you want though.
Originally posted by: Layzie310
Originally posted by: iamme
last 5 Laker games i saw were they getting whooped by Detroit LMAO. well, the Lakers won game 2, but there's a reason people called it a 5 game sweep.
:laugh:
Yeah, that reason is the NBA decided that the Lakers would not win the series. If you claim otherwise, your hate for the Lakers has overtaken you to an embarrassing level.
Originally posted by: Layzie310
Explain to me how I got pwned. Please.
Originally posted by: iamme
Originally posted by: Layzie310
Explain to me how I got pwned. Please.
attention Layzie310: your fanboism has made this thread gay
once I decide to do something with my tapes
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: iamme
Originally posted by: Layzie310
Explain to me how I got pwned. Please.
attention Layzie310: your fanboism has made this thread gay
ROFL
I bet layzie is a teenager kobe fanboy or something like that
Originally posted by: dsfunk
once I decide to do something with my tapes
wow, you have tapes of the finals? holy crap, if those got out...
Originally posted by: Layzie310
Originally posted by: dsfunk
once I decide to do something with my tapes
wow, you have tapes of the finals? holy crap, if those got out...
Don't ask me why no one bothers to watch them.
Originally posted by: Layzie310
Show me a legit journalist. Haven't seen any lately.
Originally posted by: iamme
attention Layzie310: your fanboism has made this thread gay
Originally posted by: iamme
attention Layzie310: your fanboism has made this thread gay
Originally posted by: Darilus
Ok, that was funny.
Now I couldn't care less about the Lakers, the Pistons, or basketball in general, so I have absolutely no pre-made beliefs coming into this thread. That being said, your argument didn't convince me one bit, Layzie, because you haven't shown a single thing to back it up. You keep saying we're not worth it, and it's too late, but I haven't seen you do anything but spout off conspiracy theories. Like I said before, I'm not a fan, I have no bias, convince me.
Originally posted by: Layzie310
Originally posted by: iamme
attention Layzie310: your fanboism has made this thread gay
You do realize that Chauncey is fouling Kobe in that picture, right?
It would take me hours in order to prepare the visual proof and even then I can't trust that anyone is going to read what I write with an open mind.
I'm tired and I'm hungry. I give up. I got owned and now I will go back to lurking. No more attempts at convincing anyone of anything for the next six months.
Originally posted by: Darilus
Originally posted by: Layzie310
Originally posted by: iamme
attention Layzie310: your fanboism has made this thread gay
You do realize that Chauncey is fouling Kobe in that picture, right?
It would take me hours in order to prepare the visual proof and even then I can't trust that anyone is going to read what I write with an open mind.
I'm tired and I'm hungry. I give up. I got owned and now I will go back to lurking. No more attempts at convincing anyone of anything for the next six months.
Suit yourself. I was trying to give you a chance to prove yourself.
Originally posted by: Layzie310
You should know where to find me.