More Microsoft Crap- Buy a new motherboard, buy a new license

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
OK so since my bro has retail he's fine - now I don't know exactly what I've got really because I got it through the university (nice big discount ). It came with the CD and the product key on a sticker on the CD sleeve, but nothing else. It looks basically like what my bro has minus the box. Basically then is it equivalent to retail?

Your University copy could either be an Educational Volume License or it could be a special Educational "Retail-like" version. Neither behave like OEM versions.

 

[Extelleron]

My question is: Who cares?

If I have an OEM copy and upgrade my motherboard, I wouldn't give a crap. Let's see Microsoft MAKE me get a new license.

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: stash
10 pages in this thread, and we're still getting this?
Do they still teach reading comprehension in school? Gah.

It seems like ten-page threads are beyond the reading limit of many. They'd never get through Tolstoy's "War and Peace".

 

[stash]

It seems like ten-page threads are beyond the reading limit of many. They'd never get through Tolstoy's "War and Peace".

I don't ask for much. The answer is on the first page of the thread

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
My question is: Who cares?

If I have an OEM copy and upgrade my motherboard, I wouldn't give a crap. Let's see Microsoft MAKE me get a new license.

Nice, keep making statements like this. Give them a reason to be more restrictive on the activations...

:roll:

Seriously, why would you post about breaking the EULA?

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: RebateMonger

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
OK so since my bro has retail he's fine - now I don't know exactly what I've got really because I got it through the university (nice big discount ). It came with the CD and the product key on a sticker on the CD sleeve, but nothing else. It looks basically like what my bro has minus the box. Basically then is it equivalent to retail?

Your University copy could either be an Educational Volume License or it could be a special Educational "Retail-like" version. Neither behave like OEM versions.

OK so I'm safe then (sigh of relief)

still this is a dumb move for Microsoft - if you have the freakin' license and it is on ONE computer, who cares whether it is gets moved to another computer? Seriously, I think it is just another money-making scheme :roll: Even tho I don't like what microsoft has done with stuff like this, I'm still not going to linux or mac or anything - most software worth using runs on windows so that's fine with me. I'll just stay away from OEM licenses of windows I guess.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: RebateMonger

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
OK so since my bro has retail he's fine - now I don't know exactly what I've got really because I got it through the university (nice big discount ). It came with the CD and the product key on a sticker on the CD sleeve, but nothing else. It looks basically like what my bro has minus the box. Basically then is it equivalent to retail?

Your University copy could either be an Educational Volume License or it could be a special Educational "Retail-like" version. Neither behave like OEM versions.

OK so I'm safe then (sigh of relief)

still this is a dumb move for Microsoft - if you have the freakin' license and it is on ONE computer, who cares whether it is gets moved to another computer? Seriously, I think it is just another money-making scheme :roll: Even tho I don't like what microsoft has done with stuff like this, I'm still not going to linux or mac or anything - most software worth using runs on windows so that's fine with me. I'll just stay away from OEM licenses of windows I guess.

I think stash made a good point: we're an anomoly in the overall scheme of things, doing crazy things like (*gasp*) building and upgrading computers ALL BY OURSELVES :shocked: Dang, what'll we do next, bake bread from actual dough? Brew our own beer?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Dang, what'll we do next, bake bread from actual dough? Brew our own beer?

I've considered brewing some beer, but I've got ~50 bottles of wine sitting at home unopened...

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: RebateMonger

Originally posted by: stash
10 pages in this thread, and we're still getting this?
Do they still teach reading comprehension in school? Gah.

It seems like ten-page threads are beyond the reading limit of many. They'd never get through Tolstoy's "War and Peace".

It's only 2 pages for me.

 

[stash]

still this is a dumb move for Microsoft - if you have the freakin' license and it is on ONE computer, who cares whether it is gets moved to another computer? Seriously, I think it is just another money-making scheme

Making money is a bad thing?

Seriously, I think this is for supportability purposes. An OEM copy of Windows has no support from Microsoft, the OEM does all support. So if you move the license to another machine, potentially one from a completely different OEM (or a homebrew box), who will support you now? Not the OEM, and not Microsoft.

There is a reason why the OEM copy is so much cheaper. I'll give you hint, it has nothing to do with the packaging. Given how most people in the 'enthusiast' crowd (who are the majority of people building their own boxes) drop 400-500 bucks on a video card without a blink, I don't understand why people try to save money with an OEM copy from newegg that essentially comes with zero support. The OS is usually a very small percentage of the total cost of a home built machine.

But there is really nothing to see here. The majority of people with OEM copies of Windows have no intention of swapping motherboards. And those who do intend to be swapping motherboards should be buying the retail version.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: stash
Seriously, I think this is for supportability purposes. An OEM copy of Windows has no support from Microsoft, the OEM does all support. So if you move the license to another machine, potentially one from a completely different OEM (or a homebrew box), who will support you now? Not the OEM, and not Microsoft.

I don't understand what you mean by supportability purposes. If Microsoft never supported my OEM machines and never will, why does Microsoft need more money? Are you saying that that'll make me get retail so I'll be supported now?

 

[stash]

I don't understand. If Microsoft never supported my OEM machine and never will, why does Microsoft need more money?

Why is it Microsoft's fault you buy the wrong license?

If anything the money should be going to the OEM so that I can continue to get the support I need.

Why would the OEM support something that is not what they sold to you? If you change the motherboard, how is it reasonable for them to continue to provide support?

 

[xtknight]

Edited my post a bit before your reply. I was misunderstanding. Are you saying that that'll make me get retail so I'll be supported now?

 

[stash]

I was misunderstanding. Are you saying that that'll make me get retail so I'll be supported now?

Basically, yes. You could buy another OEM license, but you won't get any support, since you are esentially the OEM in that case. Which is why I asked why it is Microsoft's fault you bought the wrong license. If you are an enthusiast, and like to build your own machine, tinker, etc, why would you buy an OEM license? It will just cost you more in the long run than a retail license.

 

[stash]

And keep in mind, some people dont want or need Microsoft support. So in that case, buying another OEM license might be a good thing for that person. But since the original license is not transferable to new hardware (motherboard), you need to buy a new license of some kind.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: stash
Basically, yes. You could buy another OEM license, but you won't get any support, since you are esentially the OEM in that case. Which is why I asked why it is Microsoft's fault you bought the wrong license.

It isn't their fault. But if they will never give me support for any OEM copy of XP that I buy anyway, then why do I have to buy another XP now (OEM or retail) just because I change a component? Due to me being the OEM I have always supported myself. What does Microsoft need that money for if they are not going to support me anyway? I bought the OEM copy because I didn't need support. Shouldn't that be irrelevant to what components I use in my PC?

I realize they're doing this to avoid installing on multiple PCs (aren't they?), and I'm fine with that. Unfortunately it has side-effects like this.

 

[mechBgon]

What I'd like to see is a little evening-up of the pricing structure. Dell pays $15 (my guess) for WinXP Pro. I pay 10x that for OEM XP Pro license at Newegg, I pay 15x that (or more) for a retail XP Pro license at Newegg, and I pay close to 20x that for a retail XP Pro license at Microsoft's store. Why don't we redistribute the wealth a bit? :evil:

Or at least throw in some coupons for free pizza with the retail version Hey, I'm easily placated...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
What I'd like to see is a little evening-up of the pricing structure. Dell pays $15 (my guess) for WinXP Pro. I pay 10x that for OEM XP Pro license at Newegg, I pay 15x that (or more) for a retail XP Pro license at Newegg, and I pay close to 20x that for a retail XP Pro license at Microsoft's store. Why don't we redistribute the wealth a bit? :evil:

Or at least throw in some coupons for free pizza with the retail version Hey, I'm easily placated...

Then there will be flame wars on which chain to offer coupons for.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: mechBgon
What I'd like to see is a little evening-up of the pricing structure. Dell pays $15 (my guess) for WinXP Pro. I pay 10x that for OEM XP Pro license at Newegg, I pay 15x that (or more) for a retail XP Pro license at Newegg, and I pay close to 20x that for a retail XP Pro license at Microsoft's store. Why don't we redistribute the wealth a bit? :evil:

Or at least throw in some coupons for free pizza with the retail version Hey, I'm easily placated...

Then there will be flame wars on which chain to offer coupons for.

Oh, of course there will. That's because everyone is wrong except the ones that agree with ME. *nods wisely*

(actually I buy DiGiornio's frozen ones )

 

[stash]

What does Microsoft need that money for if they are not going to support me anyway?

Well, you still have to pay for the license...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: mechBgon
What I'd like to see is a little evening-up of the pricing structure. Dell pays $15 (my guess) for WinXP Pro. I pay 10x that for OEM XP Pro license at Newegg, I pay 15x that (or more) for a retail XP Pro license at Newegg, and I pay close to 20x that for a retail XP Pro license at Microsoft's store. Why don't we redistribute the wealth a bit? :evil:

Or at least throw in some coupons for free pizza with the retail version Hey, I'm easily placated...

Then there will be flame wars on which chain to offer coupons for.

Oh, of course there will. That's because everyone is wrong except the ones that agree with ME. *nods wisely*

(actually I buy DiGiornio's frozen ones )

The woman and I tried their (I think it was digiorno anyhow) wheat crust pizza. It's definitely our new favorite. Other than that, Red Baron is good.

As far as pizza chains, everyone knows Papa John's is the best. :evil:

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
The woman and I tried their (I think it was digiorno anyhow) wheat crust pizza. It's definitely our new favorite. Other than that, Red Baron is good.

As far as pizza chains, everyone knows Papa John's is the best. :evil:

Dominos pwns everything else. Actually, after trying Cottage Inn, I think I'll settle for anything else now. The frozen ones seem too doughy to me.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
The woman and I tried their (I think it was digiorno anyhow) wheat crust pizza. It's definitely our new favorite. Other than that, Red Baron is good.

As far as pizza chains, everyone knows Papa John's is the best. :evil:

Dominos pwns everything else. Actually, after trying Cottage Inn, I think I'll settle for anything else now. The frozen ones seem too doughy to me.

Dominos makes pizza out of cardboard. It's gross.

 

[xtknight]

You know what's really disgusting? Cheeseburger pizza. UGHHHHHH!

 

[SparkyJJO]

OK so somehow this went from discussing Windows licenses to pizza....

Stash I didn't mean that making money is bad, not at all, but just the fact that they put these little things in to make you buy a new license when upgrading your hardware when you already have a license is what got me. But you have a point - the OEM stuff is for - amazing! - OEM's like Dells and HPs and all, so that does make sense.

BTW my mom makes *gasp* homemade bread from dough she makes :Q hehe actually it is really good stuff

EDIT on the pizza thing, actually.... East of Chicago is top, Pizza hut comes next