More Negatives than Positives for Geforce FX

[SteelCityFan]

Sure it might be slightly faster in some (not all) benchmarks, but the ATI holds its own even though it came out 6 months ago. It is clear from the massive cooling attempts that NVidia barely squeeked out a card faster than ATI's. I could not stand to have that thing in my PC. How would that not drive you insane? Have you listened to the audio clips on Tom's Hardware?

I expected something much better. From all the hype, I expected a card that would put the ATI card to shame much like ATI did to NVidia's GeForce 4 ti4600 card. I expected more from a card released about 6 months later. I expected them to be able to do it without clocking the card to levels it could not handle without a jet engine sounding fan setup attached to the side.

ATI is really putting NVidia to shame.

 

[EdipisReks]

no offence, but there were about 10 different threads you could have put this in.

 

[mchammer187]

id say wait a little before

the initial reviews of the Radeon 9500 Pro were not that great but have improved dramatically when the board was in its final version

also we do not know what the cooling design will be because a card like that will never go to OEMs so i say a redesign of the cooling is entirely possible

i am aware a non ultra version exists but i still think the Ultra cooling will be redesigned in order to go into to OEM machines

 

[Chu]

Originally posted by: mchammer187
id say wait a little before

the initial reviews of the Radeon 9500 Pro were not that great but have improved dramatically when the board was in its final version

also we do not know what the cooling design will be because a card like that will never go to OEMs so i say a redesign of the cooling is entirely possible

i am aware a non ultra version exists but i still think the Ultra cooling will be redesigned in order to go into to OEM machines

I personally think the final GFFX is going to be a dissapointment NVidia is a pro at the PR game -- there is no way they would have shipped with such loud fans if there was any way around it, even they should realize 60-70db idle is just nuts.

-Chu

 

[ProviaFan]

I think they'll get more performance out of it with new drivers, but that fan is still a major issue. There's no way I'd get a GFFX (or any other computer part) that was that noisey. :Q

 

[Slogun]

I bought a Gf4 TI4200 a while back, figuring I'd jump on the FX (NV30 at the time) when it came out. Now I'll stick with my Ti4200 and see what happens for a while.

No way am I gonna buy the FX, that thing is a monster and I wouldn't care HOW it performed. I spent a lot of time and effort getting a HSF for my Tbird that was low on decibels. No way do I want to hear 60-70dB!

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: EdipisReks
no offence, but there were about 10 different threads you could have put this in.

I'd say at least 10 different threads.....

Thorin

 

[human2k]

Ouch, I didnt expect the fan to be that loud! Thats almost as horrible as the vantec tornado fans! O, well, im happy with $160 on my 9500NP softmod>9700 320/290 upgrade!

 

[KickItTwice]

The Geforce FX has many useful purposes. Link ROFLMAO

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: KickItTwice
The Geforce FX has many useful purposes. <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://ina-community.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=256036" target=blank>Link</A> ROFLMAO

I guess we can scratch this negative off the list.....as Gainward has announced a cooling solution 7dBA, as loud as a human heartbeat.

I think it might be closer to 70dBA if you measure the heartbeats over at ATi after reading this

Chiz

 

[SteelCityFan]

There will still be a rather large difference in price for minimal performance increases... if their claims are correct.

I would have thought that NVidia would be able to blow the 9700 out of the water coming in 6 months after it.


....and before anyone calls me an ATI fanboy, I have owned one of each over the past few years...

Matrox Millenium II
Diamond Monster 12MB 3DII (paired with Matrox)
Nvidia 32MB GeForce DDR
Voodoo 5 5500
ATI Radeon 8500

NVidia GeForce2Go in my laptop.

 

[KickItTwice]

Good news For the GF FX. Why couldn't nVidia figure out how to cool this thing without sounding like a hair dryer?? Looks like a lot of bad PR all for nothing. Perhaps they should buy out Gainward for Gainwards R & D expertise.

 

[Ketchup]

Alright, wait a month for the Gainward with the 7 db fan and some good drivers from nVidia. Then y'all can talk about how disappointing this card is. But for god's sake, give it a chance!

Just remember this card has received more hype than any card I have ever seen, so there is no way it could have lived up to people's expectations.

 

[Derango]

Originally posted by: ketchup79
....Then y'all can talk about how disappointing this card is. But for god's sake, give it a chance!

Just remember this card has received more hype than any card I have ever seen, so there is no way it could have lived up to people's expectations.

This statement sounds a lot like what people were saying when a certain matrox card came out

 

[KickItTwice]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: KickItTwice The Geforce FX has many useful purposes. Link ROFLMAO

I guess we can scratch this negative off the list.....as Gainward has announced a cooling solution 7dBA, as loud as a human heartbeat. I think it might be closer to 70dBA if you measure the heartbeats over at ATi after reading this Chiz

I doubt it. (the heartbeats over at ATI part) The R350 will probably crush the Geforce FX anyway. Think about it. The R300 technology is 6 months old. ATI is 6 months further in developement on the upcoming chips. nVidia is still playing catch up. If the NV30 had come out 6 months ago, then ATI would have been in the same situation they had been in all along. As it is nVidia still are fine tuning the NV30, or at least I don't see in any stores yet. Gainwards quieter cooling solution will give consumers a resonable product hopefully within a month or two.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: KickItTwice

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: KickItTwice The Geforce FX has many useful purposes. <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://ina-community.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=256036" target=blank>Link</A> ROFLMAO

I guess we can scratch this negative off the list.....as Gainward has announced a cooling solution 7dBA, as loud as a human heartbeat. I think it might be closer to 70dBA if you measure the heartbeats over at ATi after reading this Chiz

I doubt it. (the heartbeats over at ATI part) The R350 will probably crush the Geforce FX anyway. Think about it. The R300 technology is 6 months old. ATI is 6 months further in developement on the upcoming chips. nVidia is still playing catch up. If the NV30 had come out 6 months ago, then ATI would have been in the same situation they had been in all along. As it is nVidia still are fine tuning the NV30, or at least I don't see in any stores yet. Gainwards quieter cooling solution will give consumers a resonable product hopefully within a month or two.

I'm not quite sure what you are expecting from R350, but early reports indicate nothing more than core and memory clock increases with possibly less power consumption. At stock speeds, you should expect nothing more than R300-based extreme OC cards available today (~17% increase IIRC). Now, how well the R350 can OC due to less power consumption and heat dissipation is another story, but based on previous reports and reviews from AT and other sites, the scalability of the .15 micron process could prevent much OCing.

Regardless, with shipping drivers and a new cooling solution, I think its fair for GF FX Twain to say:

"The Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated."

NV30 will be able to compete until R400 and NV35 in Q3 '03 ...I've already set my sights on those monsters

Chiz

 

[Ketchup]

Whoever said nVidia was playing catch-up? 9 times out of 10, they are the ones setting the standard.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: EdipisReks
no offence, but there were about 10 different threads you could have put this in.

At least...

 

[bluemax]

NV30 will be able to compete until R400 and NV35 in Q3 '03 ...I've already set my sights on those monsters
Chiz

oooooookayyyy...... NV30 will "compete" until the RV400. It'll be a whole lot SLOWER but it'll compete much the way the TI4200 competes against the NV30 or R300.
And I think it's pretty obvious your feathers are a bit ruffled right now... You'd think you were in charge of nVidia PR or something.
Any poo-poohing the NV30 from anyone seems to automatically make them an ATI fanboy in your books.

Admit it - they're both darn fine cards. Both with good drivers. Both with good software support.
I'd like to say both with good prices.

 

[John]

Could Gainward's videocard naming scheme be any looooooooooonger?

 

[SteelCityFan]

Originally posted by: ketchup79
Whoever said nVidia was playing catch-up? 9 times out of 10, they are the ones setting the standard.

Considering that the 9700 Pro kicked the crap out of the ti4600 6 months ago, and Nvidia is just now answering the challenge, I would say that would be considered "catch-up".

They were left in the dust... what would they have to do to again gain the lead? Catch-up with the ATI card.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: KickItTwice
The Geforce FX has many useful purposes. <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://ina-community.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=256036" target=blank>Link</A> ROFLMAO

I guess we can scratch this negative off the list.....as Gainward has announced a cooling solution 7dBA, as loud as a human heartbeat.

I think it might be closer to 70dBA if you measure the heartbeats over at ATi after reading this

Chiz

I doubt it. As mentioned in the linked thread that card will cost 650 Euros. At current exchange rates that $700 US dollars.
How many people are willing to pay nearly double the cost of a 9700 pro for a card that barely beats it and at this point even thats debatable.

 

[PCMarine]

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: KickItTwice
The Geforce FX has many useful purposes. <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://ina-community.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=256036" target=blank>Link</A> ROFLMAO

I guess we can scratch this negative off the list.....as Gainward has announced a cooling solution 7dBA, as loud as a human heartbeat.

I think it might be closer to 70dBA if you measure the heartbeats over at ATi after reading this

Chiz

I doubt it. As mentioned in the linked thread that card will cost 650 Euros. At current exchange rates that $700 US dollars.
How many people are willing to pay nearly double the cost of a 9700 pro for a card that barely beats it and at this point even thats debatable.

That 7db spec is confirmed to be true.

 

[MikeMike]

read the 7dba post, and i believe that even the FX is MSRP in europe is that high, however the MSRP in U.S. is lower at 399 so the gainward will be cheaper than 700

 

[chizow]

Heh, here we go again, time to wade through the FUD.

Originally posted by: bluemax
oooooookayyyy...... NV30 will "compete" until the RV400. It'll be a whole lot SLOWER but it'll compete much the way the TI4200 competes against the NV30 or R300.

Didn't realize the RV400 was announced. Not to mention the NV30 won't be competing against the R400 (I'm guessing thats what you meant), it'll be competing with the NV35; both parts are on schedule for a Q3 '03 release.

And I think it's pretty obvious your feathers are a bit ruffled right now... You'd think you were in charge of nVidia PR or something.
Any poo-poohing the NV30 from anyone seems to automatically make them an ATI fanboy in your books.

Ruffled? I find this amusing ATi cheerleaders don't want their precious investments to become obsolete, and I can respect that. What is amusing is that they'll say just about anything to make the competition look bad. I mean hell, what are you guys gonna muse about now that your main focus of ridicule is no longer relevant? Questioning Gainward's credibility and doubting they could possibly come up with a quiet cooling solution, that makes sense. Sorry, but I trust Gainward more than the jokers here. There hasn't been a single GF FX thread here worth reading b/c they've all been started by ATi fanbois intent on bashing it. Oh, that takes us to the next piece of FUD.

Admit it - they're both darn fine cards. Both with good drivers. Both with good software support.
I'd like to say both with good prices.

Unlike some here, I'm not going to comment on how good the NV30 is until its ACTUALLY released. I'm also not going to speculate on its street price because its pointless. Last time I checked, the Radeon 9700pro still carries an MSRP of $399US. For a refresher on the acronym, it stands for Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price. Guess what? That's the same MSRP of the GF FX. No one here is going to pay retail for either card (hell, half the fanboys in this thread wouldn't pay 1/2 of retail), so why is it even a point of discussion??? Anyone on these forums seriously considering buying either card is going to purchase it online at substantially discounted prices. Until e-tailers actually start listing prices, speculating just makes you look silly.

ZimZum if you bothered to check the MSRP of the non-Gainward cards in Euros and VAT, they are the same. Pricing is not global. Its called economies of scale. Americans consume more, therefore we get cheaper prices. If you want to complain about it to someone, go call the World Bank or IMF or maybe Alan Greenspan can explain it to you.

As for drivers, I simply don't share your opinion. The quality and frequency of ATI drivers and their total nonsupport for products other than their own just doesn't meet my expectations. I guess I've just been spoiled by Detonators...

Chiz