More Pirates!

[tboo]

Nuke Somalia from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

 

[DeadByDawn]

Originally posted by: spidey07
What happened to the acoustical weapon the navy was testing? You pointed it at a pirate ship coming your way and it caused such intense discomfort they had to turn away because the sound was so unbearable (caused nausea, vomiting, etc).

Backstreet boys sued for copyright infringment

 

[Q]

Soon there will be a movie out about this - it will be rated "RRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"!

 

[tatteredpotato]

My buddy has the right idea... float a few dummy boats around out there loaded with TNT. Pirates board that and things won't end well for them. THEN maybe they'll think twice about getting on a boat.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Simple solution...arm the boat crews or hire armed security. You don't have to give them a howitzer but decent sized small arms should be enough to keep pirates from boarding large vessels.

It's like a repeat of the 17th century. You let these pirates take your ships and you pay their ransoms then they are just going to keep taking your ships and demanding ransoms...

They were discussing this on Talk of the Nation the other day. It seems to me the most important first step would be getting a proper government in place in Somalia and would go much farther to stopping the pirates than having a few guys on the boats with guns. This whole things seemed to start because there was no real government in place, so maybe getting one in place would help end it, failing that of course, arming the crew would seem to be next logical step after that and maybe putting water cannons and other deterrents on the ships.

KT

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: DrawninwarD
Wasn't always like this... Backstory:

http://www.independent.co.uk/o...t-pirates-1225817.html

Interesting read.

Indeed, though a lot of it reads like some tinfoil hat business. Any additional resources to corroborate? It is, sadly, not exactly hard to believe.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Welcome to the next Iraq.

I was just thinking that. Somolia is going to end up getting invaded.

Maybe not invaded but the docks and boats that the pirates have been using may suddenly be in a billion pieces one night.

We know where all these pirate haven town are. Seems a few airstrikes (like out of the opening scene from the last Unit) would do the trick and would be cheaper than a single ransom.

Seriously though, Obama should go to the UN and have them pull together a modest international naval force to patrol the immediate coastline and blow anything that isn't catching fish out of the water.

 

[darkxshade]

No doubt if this keeps up, someone is going to start writing the movie sequel... Pirates of the Somalia: The curse of the Black Hawk Down.

 

[brandonbull]

B-Rock needs to communicate the idea to the pirates that US flagged ships are off limits. They can screw with other nations and take their chances but they will get the hammer if they hijack US ships.

Let the Euros deal with their own mess.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
B-Rock needs to communicate the idea to the pirates that US flagged ships are off limits. They can screw with other nations and take their chances but they will get the hammer if they hijack US ships.

Let the Euros deal with their own mess.

Yes, that would be great for foreign relations.

 

[nublikescake]

Originally posted by: DrawninwarD
Wasn't always like this... Backstory:

http://www.independent.co.uk/o...t-pirates-1225817.html

Thank you for posting this. As I see it, it's a textbook case of American foreign intervention coming home to roost. Also, based on the reponses in this thread and other threads on the same topic, it wouldn't be incorrect to say that the number of people willing to do even a little bit of research before coming to a conclusion regarding a foreign policy issue is tragically low.

I've been reading up on this a little it's changed my view on this issue.

Some more backstory.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: DrawninwarD
Wasn't always like this... Backstory:

http://www.independent.co.uk/o...t-pirates-1225817.html

Interesting read.

Indeed, though a lot of it reads like some tinfoil hat business. Any additional resources to corroborate? It is, sadly, not exactly hard to believe.

my shens-o-meter was going off too while reading that. Hari doesnt give any sort of evidence to back up his claims. But then again stuff like that isnt too far fetched. Also Hari is an award winning journalist and has written a great article on dubai, amongst others

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: DrawninwarD
Wasn't always like this... Backstory:

http://www.independent.co.uk/o...t-pirates-1225817.html

Interesting read.

Indeed, though a lot of it reads like some tinfoil hat business. Any additional resources to corroborate? It is, sadly, not exactly hard to believe.

my shens-o-meter was going off too while reading that. Hari doesnt give any sort of evidence to back up his claims. But then again stuff like that isnt too far fetched. Also Hari is an award winning journalist and has written a great article on dubai, amongst others

How can he throw a widespread conspiracy of European countries selling nuclear waste to the mob withe zero evidence? Not that it couldn't be true, but give us something. The fishing part however seems not only believable but quite likely.

Either way, it's not like these guys are capturing illegal fishing boats or inspecting cargo ships for waste. So their primary motivation is quite clear.

 

[DrawninwarD]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: DrawninwarD
Wasn't always like this... Backstory:

http://www.independent.co.uk/o...t-pirates-1225817.html

Interesting read.

Indeed, though a lot of it reads like some tinfoil hat business. Any additional resources to corroborate? It is, sadly, not exactly hard to believe.

my shens-o-meter was going off too while reading that. Hari doesnt give any sort of evidence to back up his claims. But then again stuff like that isnt too far fetched. Also Hari is an award winning journalist and has written a great article on dubai, amongst others

How can he throw a widespread conspiracy of European countries selling nuclear waste to the mob withe zero evidence? Not that it couldn't be true, but give us something. The fishing part however seems not only believable but quite likely.

Either way, it's not like these guys are capturing illegal fishing boats or inspecting cargo ships for waste. So their primary motivation is quite clear.

Here's some more about it.

Chicago Tribune - Off the lawless coast of Somalia, questions of who is pirating who
Al Jazeera - 'Toxic waste' behind Somali piracy
BBC - Waves 'brought waste to Somalia'
CBC News Report

 

[Andrew1990]

Well guns are off limits, but what about cross bows and harpoon guns? Those might work and it would be bad ass to hit a pirate with a harpoon gun!

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: Queasy
Simple solution...arm the boat crews or hire armed security. You don't have to give them a howitzer but decent sized small arms should be enough to keep pirates from boarding large vessels.

It's like a repeat of the 17th century. You let these pirates take your ships and you pay their ransoms then they are just going to keep taking your ships and demanding ransoms...

They were discussing this on Talk of the Nation the other day. It seems to me the most important first step would be getting a proper government in place in Somalia and would go much farther to stopping the pirates than having a few guys on the boats with guns. This whole things seemed to start because there was no real government in place, so maybe getting one in place would help end it, failing that of course, arming the crew would seem to be next logical step after that and maybe putting water cannons and other deterrents on the ships.

KT

The UN tried to stabilize the country in 1993. The result was dead UN soldiers being dragged in the streets of Mogadishu.

United Nations Operation in Somalia II

Somalia is populated by a bunch of lawless savages. There is no hope for them.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Welcome to the next Iraq.

Experts say it's gonna be the next Afghanistan, it's gonna turn into another Al-Qaeda training ground. Just nuke them off the face of earth already.

 

[SonnyDaze]

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Welcome to the next Iraq.

Experts say it's gonna be the next Afghanistan, it's gonna turn into another Al-Qaeda training ground. Just nuke them off the face of earth already.

They are already trying to run training camps in Somalia. The U.S. established a military presence in Djibouti to deter them from crossing the Red Sea and moving down into Somalia.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: DrawninwarD

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: DrawninwarD
Wasn't always like this... Backstory:

http://www.independent.co.uk/o...t-pirates-1225817.html

Interesting read.

Indeed, though a lot of it reads like some tinfoil hat business. Any additional resources to corroborate? It is, sadly, not exactly hard to believe.

my shens-o-meter was going off too while reading that. Hari doesnt give any sort of evidence to back up his claims. But then again stuff like that isnt too far fetched. Also Hari is an award winning journalist and has written a great article on dubai, amongst others

How can he throw a widespread conspiracy of European countries selling nuclear waste to the mob withe zero evidence? Not that it couldn't be true, but give us something. The fishing part however seems not only believable but quite likely.

Either way, it's not like these guys are capturing illegal fishing boats or inspecting cargo ships for waste. So their primary motivation is quite clear.

Here's some more about it.

Chicago Tribune - Off the lawless coast of Somalia, questions of who is pirating who
Al Jazeera - 'Toxic waste' behind Somali piracy
BBC - Waves 'brought waste to Somalia'
CBC News Report

Somalia has no government and no army. All they have is a bunch of thugs roaming the ocean looking for anything that move to hold them hostage to enrich themselves. The toxic dumping allegations are nothing but an excuse for them to justify their lawlessness.
Somalia is a wasteland. The UN tried to help them in the early 90s but got kicked out by population. They can all rot in hell.

 

[invidia]

"Somalia is much worse than Iraq and Afghanistan. Although they pose no real international threat, it's probably one of the worst shitholes in the world. Unlike Iraq, I don't think any country or people will oppose in completely annihilating Somalia."

- My older brother's friend who was in Gulf war, Somalia, and Afghanistan. It's his view on this recent pirate activity.