More Repub Dirty Tricks From the RNC?

Perknose

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"Party Affiliation Voter Registration Card" :roll:


A new mailing from the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign to Florida voters has Democrats saying they're the victim of dirty tricks. They say that at the very least, the mailing is meant to confuse voters in this battleground state. Republicans say Democrats are making much ado abut nothing.

Lifelong Democrat Marilyn DiMauro of Naples was surprised to get a letter recently from Republican presidential contender John McCain.

"I thought, well that's strange, because I'm a Democrat. And when I opened the envelope, there was a card that said I was listed as a Republican with my registration number. So I immediately got my Democratic card, and the registration number was not the same," she says.

She thought the mailing ? labeled "Party Affiliation Voter Registration Card" ? was a little fishy ? especially when she found out two of her friends who are Democrats had received the same thing but a Republican friend had not.

"So I just felt that there was some diabolical reason for doing this mailing," she says. "Why would you spend the money?"

That's what Jim Reynolds, another lifelong Democrat in Naples, wants to know. He happens to be a former U.S. attorney from Iowa. And he has filed a mail-fraud complaint with the postal service. Reynolds thinks Republicans are trying to confuse Democratic voters into thinking there's a problem with their registrations.

"They're just doing everything to try to suppress a certain segment that they feel are not going to be favorable to them," he says.

And indeed, Florida election officials have reported dozens of worried calls from voters. A copy of the mailing obtained by NPR shows that it includes an official-looking card, listing the recipient's name, address, congressional district, party affiliation and something called a Voter ID number. In an attached letter, McCain asks recipients to update the enclosed card ? and to contribute to his campaign.

RNC Mailing Sent To Voters Of All Ages

Florida Democrats initially charged that the letters were directed at elderly voters, but when Reynolds borrowed a phone at an office in Collier County to call NPR, he found a younger worker there, Gloria Hernandez, who had also received the letter.

Hernandez says she thought there was a mistake with her registration when she got the mail.

"I just come in with my family and I say, look, I receive a letter. They say that I am a Republican. And my kids say, 'Are you, Mom?' And I say, 'Of course no,' " she says.

The McCain campaign referred questions about the mailing to the Republican National Committee, whose spokeswoman Amber Wilkerson says it was a routine fundraiser ? similar to ones used in the past ? and that it was intended for Republicans.

"In the event that it was sent to Democrats, we correct our internal file to ensure that that doesn't happen in the future," she says.

Wilkerson says the uproar over the mailing is part of a national Democratic strategy to undermine confidence in Republicans.

"This is a desperate attempt to try to confuse voters who are hearing John McCain's message and haven't necessarily connected with Barack Obama thus far," she adds.

But most of the confusion so far does seem to be coming from the RNC mailing. Jerry Holland, the Republican supervisor of elections in Duval County, received so many calls from worried voters that he released a statement last week assuring them that only a voter can change his or her own registration.

"Whoever designed the piece obviously created something, knowingly or unknowingly, confusing to some voters, because obviously they were concerned that maybe someone had changed their party," says Holland.

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It certainly smells bad to me. Let the apologist parade begin!

 

heyheybooboo

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Why do Republicans hold so much contempt for America?

Let's see .... Mail Fraud:

Title 18, Section 1341, provides for criminal prosecution but requires proof of intent to deceive. The maximum penalties are 5 years in prison and a fine for each instance proved. The 1984 Criminal Fine Enhancement Act allows fines of up to $100,000 (or $250,000 if death results) per offense for up to two offenses.

Regretfully, the Justice Department must prosecute .... like that will ever happen :roll:
 

Throckmorton

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Wasn't there a weird thing like this where there was a checkbox that said "I am eligible to vote" that most people didn't notice, and didn't check? I think it was absentee ballots.
 

Juddog

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Republicans fight dirty, and you can fully expect this to be the dirtiest election of all time the way things are looking.
 

lupi

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And the fraud is what again? Looks like a blind donation request mailer. IF you're worried about this then I think you may need to reconsider your contact with the fine fellow from Nigeria.
 

sandorski

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Political Parties should have absolutely no connection with Voter Registrations. That includes not having informaion regarding Registration numbers or even info on what Party certain Voters are Registered with. Exception being Voters actually Registered to their particular Party, but that would be their internal files and not provided by any other source, especially Government sources.
 

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Let's see .... Mail Fraud:

Title 18, Section 1341, provides for criminal prosecution but requires proof of intent to deceive. The maximum penalties are 5 years in prison and a fine for each instance proved. The 1984 Criminal Fine Enhancement Act allows fines of up to $100,000 (or $250,000 if death results) per offense for up to two offenses.

Regretfully, the Justice Department must prosecute .... like that will ever happen :roll:

Regrettably, the Bushwhacko Justice Department is up to their eyeballs in eight years of their own criminality. :|
 

QED

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I got a flyer the other day from the Obama campaign today asking if I'd like to request an absentee ballot-- and I never
signed up for the mailing list.

OMG! WHAT SHAMELESS DIRTY TRICKS! WHEN WILL IT EVER STOP???
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: QED
I got a flyer the other day from the Obama campaign today asking if I'd like to request an absentee ballot-- and I never
signed up for the mailing list.

OMG! WHAT SHAMELESS DIRTY TRICKS! WHEN WILL IT EVER STOP???

Not the same thing by a country furlong. Did the flyer have your "voter registration number" on it? Did it have you marked on the same form as a Democrat?

What's that? SPEAK UP!

Ahhh, "No" and "No". I see . . .

But go ahead, push the faux equivalency. It makes you look either unintelligent or intentionally deceptive, though it doesn't rule out both.

 

winnar111

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Well, Gore voters couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot which 3rd graders had no problems with.

It makes sense to take advantage of their lack of brains.
 

QED

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: QED
I got a flyer the other day from the Obama campaign today asking if I'd like to request an absentee ballot-- and I never
signed up for the mailing list.

OMG! WHAT SHAMELESS DIRTY TRICKS! WHEN WILL IT EVER STOP???

Not the same thing by a country furlong. Did the flyer have your "voter registration number" on it? Did it have you marked on the same form as a Democrat?

What's that? SPEAK UP!

Ahhh, "No" and "No". I see . . .

But go ahead, push the faux equivalency. It makes you look either unintelligent or intentionally deceptive, though it doesn't rule out both.

Actually, I don't know if it did or didn't have any of that information on it, because I did what any reasonable, intelligent person would do: I threw it in the trash. Why is this concept so hard for Florida Democrats to understand? Or are these the same people that fall for those official-looking "Your car warranty is about to expire!" solicitations, as well?


EDIT: Ok, I should add that I'm just joking-- mostly. Well, partly. If the RNC did this intentionally, then it really is kind of sad and pathetic. Not "comparing Rush Limbaugh to John McCain" pathetic, but still pathetic.

 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: winnar111
It makes sense to take advantage of their lack of brains.

Ahhhhh, the mind of a true hack revealed, where actions that are definitely unethical and possibly even illegal "make sense."

Congratulations. Your inadvertent and transient honesty surpasses your grasp of ethics.

 

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Well, Gore voters couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot which 3rd graders had no problems with.

It makes sense to take advantage of their lack of brains.

Republicans have lower IQ's than Dems. FYI.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: winnar111
Well, Gore voters couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot which 3rd graders had no problems with.

It makes sense to take advantage of their lack of brains.

Republicans have lower IQ's than Dems. FYI.

Then these smart Democrats should stop crying about typical mail solicitations from the big bad Bush boogeyman.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: QED
I got a flyer the other day from the Obama campaign today asking if I'd like to request an absentee ballot-- and I never
signed up for the mailing list.

OMG! WHAT SHAMELESS DIRTY TRICKS! WHEN WILL IT EVER STOP???

so which one is it QED? "the other day" or "today" ????

huh???? ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!

OMG LIAR FLIPFLOP!!

 

QED

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: winnar111
Well, Gore voters couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot which 3rd graders had no problems with.

It makes sense to take advantage of their lack of brains.

Republicans have lower IQ's than Dems. FYI.

Do you get all your insightful facts from debunked chain-letters and urban legends?
 

QED

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: QED
I got a flyer the other day from the Obama campaign today asking if I'd like to request an absentee ballot-- and I never
signed up for the mailing list.

OMG! WHAT SHAMELESS DIRTY TRICKS! WHEN WILL IT EVER STOP???

so which one is it QED? "the other day" or "today" ????

huh???? ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!

OMG LIAR FLIPFLOP!!



Well, it obviously wasn't today-- I'm still at work and haven't checked out what goodies await for me in my mailbox at home.


 

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: winnar111
Well, Gore voters couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot which 3rd graders had no problems with.

It makes sense to take advantage of their lack of brains.

Republicans have lower IQ's than Dems. FYI.

Then these smart Democrats should stop crying about typical mail solicitations from the big bad Bush boogeyman.

Except they're not typical kiddo.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: QED
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: winnar111
Well, Gore voters couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot which 3rd graders had no problems with.

It makes sense to take advantage of their lack of brains.

Republicans have lower IQ's than Dems. FYI.

Do you get all your insightful facts from debunked chain-letters and urban legends?

Do you get your sense of ethics and propriety from Karl Rove?

 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: QED
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: QED
I got a flyer the other day from the Obama campaign today asking if I'd like to request an absentee ballot-- and I never
signed up for the mailing list.

OMG! WHAT SHAMELESS DIRTY TRICKS! WHEN WILL IT EVER STOP???

so which one is it QED? "the other day" or "today" ????

huh???? ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!

OMG LIAR FLIPFLOP!!



Well, it obviously wasn't today-- I'm still at work and haven't checked out what goodies await for me in my mailbox at home.
OMG APOLOGISTS!!!! :laugh:

TGIF and cheers to you bud :beer: because IM LEAVIN WORK!!



 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: winnar111
Well, Gore voters couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot which 3rd graders had no problems with.

It makes sense to take advantage of their lack of brains.

Republicans have lower IQ's than Dems. FYI.

Then these smart Democrats should stop crying about typical mail solicitations from the big bad Bush boogeyman.

Except they're not typical kiddo.

Shrug, I've received several similar requests for funding in my own mail.

Either way so called high IQ people should be able to figure it out.
 

QED

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: QED
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: winnar111
Well, Gore voters couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot which 3rd graders had no problems with.

It makes sense to take advantage of their lack of brains.

Republicans have lower IQ's than Dems. FYI.

Do you get all your insightful facts from debunked chain-letters and urban legends?

Do you get your sense of ethics and propriety from Karl Rove?

Nope. I don't care much for Rove, myself.

Without evidence, I just typically don't attribute to malice that which can be equally explained by stupidity.

Like I said, if the RNC did this on purpose then they are both shameful and stupid. But for the time
being, I'm inclined to think they are just stupid and got the wrong mailing list.

They did something similiarly boneheaded in Ohio when mailing absentee forms to Republicans by needlessly including a checkbox that said "Yes, I am am registered to vote". The people who received these forms were already registered Republicans and therefore already registered to vote, but the Ohio Attorney General ruled that if they sent in the form and didn't check the box then they would have to assume that person wasn't registered. This may cost them a few votes in the state of Ohio...


 
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