Morgan Spurlock, of Supersize Me fame, dead at 53

[mindless1]

Yeah I used to stop on my way home and get a few McDoubles and before that, a couple double cheeseburgers at McDonalds, back when they were $1 each (doesn't seem like that long ago but time flies, maybe 10 years? Maybe they were $1.20 by then), then when I got home, put some home grown tomatoes and lettuce on.

These days, I just make burgers at home, only eat fast food in special situations where I'm out and crunched for time.

 

[purbeast0]

You guys do realize people aren't getting fast food to get the most bang for their buck right?

 

[Kaido]

I was just a teenager. The shock value worked regarding McD's being "that bad in that way". The veganism or any change to diet? Zero effect on me. I rewatched it, made a thread on it here. It's poor, suspect, and potentially full of bad faith in every segment.

The thing is, people are emotion-first, logic-second creatures. We want to buy into stories & then not question them, and later defend them, which is why people respond in soundbites ("McDonalds makes you fat!") when you get them to look closer at the actual data of stuff like SuperSize Me.

The latest CDC statistics say that 41.9% of Americans are obese & 73.6% are overweight. Heart disease & diabetes are two of the leading causes of death in Americans. Outside of outlier medical issues, bodyweight can be managed simply by doing macros. I lost 90 pounds without exercise simply tracking my daily macronutrient intake. I still eat stuff like McDonald's, Snickers bars, etc., I just try to track what I eat now to prevent me from blowing up again haha!

 

[Kaido]

You guys do realize people aren't getting fast food to get the most bang for their buck right?

Pre-COVID, cost-effectiveness was actually a pretty good argument for single people, especially for those who didn't do meal-prep, because you could hit up the Dollar Menu for a cost-effective meal as opposed to having to buy say a minimum of one pound of hamburger.

But yeah, it's mostly convenience & consistent taste lol.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

A Big Mac meal is currently $12.50 in my area. People wonder why I tout a very expensive countertop oven, but 80/20 ground beef is under $6 a pound in my area. I can sous-vide a 7oz burger patty to be perfectly-cooked, melt-in-your-mouth like meatloaf & then pan-sear or grill it to make this with hardly any effort. The economics outside of convenience don't make sense: (and have you seen the prices at Five Guys lately?!)

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I thought Five Guys was ridiculous paying $10 for a regular cheeseburger and fries fifteen years ago before beef prices shot to hell and haven't been back, can't imagine what that place runs now.

 

[mindless1]

You guys do realize people aren't getting fast food to get the most bang for their buck right?

True but back in the day, if I got 3 McDoubles for around $3.60, that was filling. Used to also get a meal's worth of food from Taco Bell's value menu for $3.something around 10 years ago.

Fast forward to today and many places want $3.something for medium sized fries.

 

[purbeast0]

Back in the day I also got candy bars for 2 quarters. I could get a 20oz soda for $1.

I'm not talking about then. I'm talking about now lol.

 

[Jaskalas]

Super Size me was a propaganda piece, which proves humans accept messages based on form of delivery rather than actual facts.

American politics in the past 10 years has absolutely driven home the point, humans never cared about facts.
Which places huge question marks over concepts of Democracy, Freedom, and Justice. As they are predicated on the notion of an objective reality. While there is clearly such a thing, people in general do not respect it, do not want it, do not adhere to it. Thus the system inevitably breaks under the weight of divisive fervent zealotry. Propaganda is our King.

 

[mindless1]

^

Back in the day I also got candy bars for 2 quarters. I could get a 20oz soda for $1.

I'm not talking about then. I'm talking about now lol.

I mean like 10 years ago, not waaaaay back in the day.

I never bought sodas and candy much (except miniatures to give out on Halloween), so can't equate those.

 

[Torn Mind]

You guys do realize people aren't getting fast food to get the most bang for their buck right?

Kind of true, if we're talking about those buying the "brand items" that conspicuous and expensive at full price, no deal waiting used.

McD's used to have a value menu where you could get something for a dollar or two for the tightwads. Now, it's "use the app to BOGO free QP or Big Mac" and you're about out 5-7 dollars. The value menu is practically nonexistent.

Taco Bell's Beefy 5-Layer Burrito used to be in the 2ish dollar range. It's ballooned from that point quite a bit.

 

[mindless1]

^ ?? Taco bell rocked with their value menu 10 years ago. Heh, am I frozen in time?

The Beefy 5 layer was a buck.something, maybe an even $1, and their Chicken Burrito started out in the larger tortilla and had CHUNKS of chicken at the time, also started on the value menu for around $1 before it shrunk and went up in price.

One of each, maybe throw in a Bean Burrito for a buck too (eat that first while you're hungriest since not as good as the other two), and a water. You'll need the water with all that sodium.

 

[purbeast0]

My "normal" meal at Taco Bell is now like $15 or so. It used to be like $9 or $10. I would much rather get a chicken bowl at Chipotle for $10 or $11 than go to Taco Bell at this point. I haven't been to Taco Bell in a long time. I am not eating out as much in general though because I'm trying to lean up and also eating healthy at home is much cheaper in general.

 

[Torn Mind]

^ ?? Taco bell rocked with their value menu 10 years ago. Heh, am I frozen in time?

The Beefy 5 layer was a buck.something, maybe an even $1, and their Chicken Burrito started out in the larger tortilla and had CHUNKS of chicken at the time, also started on the value menu for around $1 before it shrunk and went up in price.

One of each, maybe throw in a Bean Burrito for a buck too (eat that first while you're hungriest since not as good as the other two), and a water. You'll need the water with all that sodium.

My first beefy 5-layer was actually 1.29 or 1.39 at a particular franchise. The best bang for the buck out of that menu.....

Now it's 4.19 based on their online menu.

The Cheesy Double Beef might be the cheaper substitute, at a still expensive 2.89.

I never bought drinks because frugality habits.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Had McDonalds to piss on Spurlock's legacy today. Two double cheeseburgers and a large fry for $4 plus tax ain't too bad, then the receipts gave me a survey to get that double cheeseburger deal again. Had to wait 15 minutes in between placing the burger and fries orders since I used app deals on both but WTF I'm cheap and brought a manga (よつばと, shit's hilarious) to read anyways. They'll be dead to me again once they get rid of the $1 large fries in the app.

 

[gothuevos]

Healthy enough. It can be fine if you balance it out. I generally eat like dogshit and can still lose weight with discipline.

Losing weight is simply a matter of calories in vs calories out. Yeah you can "lose weight" eating McDonald's but it doesn't mean all that processed food is good for you whatsoever.

 

[Torn Mind]

The thing is, people are emotion-first, logic-second creatures. We want to buy into stories & then not question them, and later defend them, which is why people respond in soundbites ("McDonalds makes you fat!") when you get them to look closer at the actual data of stuff like SuperSize Me.

The latest CDC statistics say that 41.9% of Americans are obese & 73.6% are overweight. Heart disease & diabetes are two of the leading causes of death in Americans. Outside of outlier medical issues, bodyweight can be managed simply by doing macros. I lost 90 pounds without exercise simply tracking my daily macronutrient intake. I still eat stuff like McDonald's, Snickers bars, etc., I just try to track what I eat now to prevent me from blowing up again haha!

The takeaways from the original were:

1. People read headlines. SuperSize Me was a great cultural ragebait concept because people want to buy into the story & not listen to reality.
2. He ate upwards of 5,000 calories a day. You could eat 5,000 calories of vegan food & have weight problems lol.
3. He later confessed to being an alcoholic, hence the negative doctor visit, which was most likely the main contributing factor to the bulk of his health problems in the show, as the test results have been unable to be replicated (see video below)

My takeaways are
1. it's actually more useful to study it for "obtaining effective psychological acceptance of a point or points". It's use is better suited as how to do effective marketing, studying human psychology, or psyoping people.
The opposite form of manipulation is inducing "rejection of obvious facts presented in your face" because the delivery of the message is not "in harmony with expectations". And some people reject not because of manipulation, but because they just don't like the other guy or girl for whatever reflex reason.

2. Passion, though irrational, leads to action. The reasoned person is often too restrained to go "too far" and push the limits to scare the fat cats. So, I can begrudgingly accept that vegan movement works like this have provide some counterbalance and benefit, thus deserving "toleration", even if their foundation is loaded with errors and ridiculousness.

3. There is a difference between allegation and fact. Spurlock winds up only alleging without support. He says he ate 5,000 a day, but did he really? Were there tapes not disclosed, or did it never exist in the first place?

4. Psychological authentication is not the same as fact/evidence authetication(which ties in with 1)

 

[Kaido]

I thought Five Guys was ridiculous paying $10 for a regular cheeseburger and fries fifteen years ago before beef prices shot to hell and haven't been back, can't imagine what that place runs now.

Customers blast Five Guys prices after receipt goes viral. Here's how much items cost.

Social media users are debating the cost of food from Five Guys after one user posted a receipt totaling $24.10 for one meal.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Fenixgoon]

Customers blast Five Guys prices after receipt goes viral. Here's how much items cost.

Social media users are debating the cost of food from Five Guys after one user posted a receipt totaling $24.10 for one meal.

www.usatoday.com

ah those damn capitalists forcing us to all buy at their restaurants!!!

as much as i do hate capitalism, no one is forcing you to buy at a particular restaurant. the price shouldn't be surprising. OMG i bought something for $14 and $6 and $4 and it added up to $24!!! WTF!!!

if you don't like the price, don't buy the food.

 

[Torn Mind]

ah those damn capitalists forcing us to all buy at their restaurants!!!

as much as i do hate capitalism, no one is forcing you to buy at a particular restaurant. the price shouldn't be surprising. OMG i bought something for $14 and $6 and $4 and it added up to $24!!! WTF!!!

if you don't like the price, don't buy the food.

Well, if someone wants restaurants to pay their laborers more higher min wage but also still pay off the leases, franchise fees etc, then the consumer has very little grounds to demand the same prices. The tightening of trans fats regulations is also going to eat into the bottom line.

Five Guys alleges they offer a better taste in their food than the cheapest chains. To get that, it makes sense you have to pay more for the extra pleasure of better taste. McDonald's is quite sauce dependent to sell their Big Macs, and the Quarter Pounder with Cheese is quite a utilitarian burger than shouldn't be eaten without the app deal.

How Five Guys Dominated The Burger Industry - Mashed

Five Guys may seem like a typical burger chain, but their menu items with fresh and high-quality ingredients are superior compared to other fast food joints.

www.mashed.com

 

[Fenixgoon]

Well, if someone wants restaurants to pay their laborers more higher min wage but also still pay off the leases, franchise fees etc, then the consumer has very little grounds to demand the same prices. The tightening of trans fats regulations is also going to eat into the bottom line.

Five Guys alleges they offer a better taste in their food than the cheapest chains. To get that, it makes sense you have to pay more for the extra pleasure of better taste. McDonald's is quite sauce dependent to sell their Big Macs, and the Quarter Pounder with Cheese is quite a utilitarian burger than shouldn't be eaten without the app deal.

How Five Guys Dominated The Burger Industry - Mashed

Five Guys may seem like a typical burger chain, but their menu items with fresh and high-quality ingredients are superior compared to other fast food joints.

www.mashed.com

oh i don't disagree. everything has a cost. i'm just pointing out that it's a little ridiculous to complain about the cost of a meal at 5 guys, as if somehow you're (not you you, the general you) forced to buy from there.

 

[Torn Mind]

oh i don't disagree. everything has a cost. i'm just pointing out that it's a little ridiculous to complain about the cost of a meal at 5 guys, as if somehow you're (not you you, the general you) forced to buy from there.

I was just adding on some background. I know it can get contentious here.

 

[Amused]

I know it can get contentious here.

What do you mean by that?

 

[mindless1]

Well, if someone wants restaurants to pay their laborers more higher min wage but also still pay off the leases, franchise fees etc, then the consumer has very little grounds to demand the same prices. The tightening of trans fats regulations is also going to eat into the bottom line.

Five Guys alleges they offer a better taste in their food than the cheapest chains. To get that, it makes sense you have to pay more for the extra pleasure of better taste. McDonald's is quite sauce dependent to sell their Big Macs, and the Quarter Pounder with Cheese is quite a utilitarian burger than shouldn't be eaten without the app deal.

How Five Guys Dominated The Burger Industry - Mashed

Five Guys may seem like a typical burger chain, but their menu items with fresh and high-quality ingredients are superior compared to other fast food joints.

www.mashed.com

I agree. This is why I would be willing to spend $4 for a basic hamburger instead of $3.

The fries still better cost less than $3 unless it's a group sized plate, and a water? If it's not free, they can kiss my

 

[hal2kilo]

My first beefy 5-layer was actually 1.29 or 1.39 at a particular franchise. The best bang for the buck out of that menu.....

Now it's 4.19 based on their online menu.

The Cheesy Double Beef might be the cheaper substitute, at a still expensive 2.89.

I never bought drinks because frugality habits.

Never buy ridiculously priced soda at fast food places.