Morgan Stanley reject

[cain]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
You know that is a BS excuse not to hire. That means you were probably a pretty good candidate, but you didn't click with the interviewer. They couldn't think of a really specific reason not to hire you, and had to come up with something lameass.

I got turned down during several interviews last year, all the time receiving very silly reasons like yours. Then I got hired to work for one of the Big 4

yeah but the thing is the exec director is a friend of a good family friend. that is what he told me. i would thought that he would at least be straight with me.

i mean it's sad that even the Vault guides are saying that the best way to find a job is through networking, and i have very little of that.

also, anyone been following MS's recent movements in financial news? things not going so well for them.

 

[cain]

if you have any insight to different interviewing skills, please share with me, us!!!

 

[cchen]

be really prepared. that's pretty much all you can do for finance jobs. my roommate spent the entire winter break preparing and going over each company's info. needless to say, he got 5 summer analyst ibanking offers and he doesn't even have a good gpa

 

[cain]

Originally posted by: cchen
be really prepared. that's pretty much all you can do for finance jobs. my roommate spent the entire winter break preparing and going over each company's info. needless to say, he got 5 summer analyst ibanking offers and he doesn't even have a good gpa

how did he get the interviews if he didn't have good gpas

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: cain

Originally posted by: cchen
be really prepared. that's pretty much all you can do for finance jobs. my roommate spent the entire winter break preparing and going over each company's info. needless to say, he got 5 summer analyst ibanking offers and he doesn't even have a good gpa

how did he get the interviews if he didn't have good gpas

First off, you don't put your GPA on your resume. You talk about your strength and use your knowledge of the company/financial world to impress them.

I just bomb an interview with SSB for an internship and I dont have top notch GPA to start with. But I felt these guys are up tight on GPA and you better have a good explantation for a lower then average GPA.

 

[cchen]

his gpa is like 3.4, not so great but not bad i guess. his resume is very professional and was a chair on the econ society and networks very well.

 

[cain]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: cain

Originally posted by: cchen
be really prepared. that's pretty much all you can do for finance jobs. my roommate spent the entire winter break preparing and going over each company's info. needless to say, he got 5 summer analyst ibanking offers and he doesn't even have a good gpa

how did he get the interviews if he didn't have good gpas

First off, you don't put your GPA on your resume. You talk about your strength and use your knowledge of the company/financial world to impress them.

I just bomb an interview with SSB for an internship and I dont have top notch GPA to start with. But I felt these guys are up tight on GPA and you better have a good explantation for a lower then average GPA.

my gpa is a 2.81, doesnt get any lower than that. mostly dragged down by a class or two that i got c's. and that i spent the first 2 years hating the school and ithaca. trying to make amends now though ahah. hope it's not too late.

 

[cchen]

2.81.... to be honest, i doubt you'll get any interviews with the top firms. try to bring the gpa up (over 3.0)

if you do get another interview, you have to nail it because they'll be thinking about your GPA.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: cain

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: cain

Originally posted by: cchen
be really prepared. that's pretty much all you can do for finance jobs. my roommate spent the entire winter break preparing and going over each company's info. needless to say, he got 5 summer analyst ibanking offers and he doesn't even have a good gpa

how did he get the interviews if he didn't have good gpas

First off, you don't put your GPA on your resume. You talk about your strength and use your knowledge of the company/financial world to impress them.

I just bomb an interview with SSB for an internship and I dont have top notch GPA to start with. But I felt these guys are up tight on GPA and you better have a good explantation for a lower then average GPA.

my gpa is a 2.81, doesnt get any lower than that. mostly dragged down by a class or two that i got c's. and that i spent the first 2 years hating the school and ithaca. trying to make amends now though ahah. hope it's not too late.

Same here buddy... You not the only one. Trying to get into company like as MS also.

 

[cain]

Originally posted by: cain

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: cain

Originally posted by: cchen
be really prepared. that's pretty much all you can do for finance jobs. my roommate spent the entire winter break preparing and going over each company's info. needless to say, he got 5 summer analyst ibanking offers and he doesn't even have a good gpa

how did he get the interviews if he didn't have good gpas

First off, you don't put your GPA on your resume. You talk about your strength and use your knowledge of the company/financial world to impress them.

I just bomb an interview with SSB for an internship and I dont have top notch GPA to start with. But I felt these guys are up tight on GPA and you better have a good explantation for a lower then average GPA.

my gpa is a 2.81, doesnt get any lower than that. mostly dragged down by a class or two that i got c's. and that i spent the first 2 years hating the school and ithaca. trying to make amends now though ahah. hope it's not too late.

3.4 would have been awesome for me, considering i have had some excellent experience. i wish i have some where to post my resume so you guys can send me osme suggestions.

 

[cain]

Originally posted by: cchen
2.81.... to be honest, i doubt you'll get any interviews with the top firms. try to bring the gpa up (over 3.0)

if you do get another interview, you have to nail it because they'll be thinking about your GPA.

yeah i know. which is why i list my major GPAs, which are a lot higher. i got one interview with csfb, but i screwed that up though.

 

[GimpyOne]

Originally posted by: kreactor
26 interviews? wtf

over how many days did that take

most inlaws aren't that demanding

Well if makes him feel any better, I was recently interviewing for a scientist position at Corning Glass.

21 interviews in 2 days plus a 1.5hr long seminar presented to the research staff over my work.

I think it went well, but a little stressful to say the least.

 

[Jon855]

Originally posted by: cain
if you have any insight to different interviewing skills, please share with me, us!!!

http://resume.monster.com/articles/resume%5Ffollow%5Fup/

 

[Lobstar]

Originally posted by: cain
i got rejected by Morgan Stanley for a summer internship in their institutional securities division. it took them over a month to get back to me, i almost missed a deadline for my other offer. in any case, the reasons that they offered was that I wasn't motivated, I didn't research the company enough. I spent a whole day preparing for this interview damn it. good thing i got an offer from somewhere else though, i didnt prepare for that interview at all and it was relaxed and i was very much myself.

MS is going down anyway, with all those execs leaving. there have even been talks to splitting the firm!!! that's just insane!!! MS is number 2 on the league tables!!

so anyway, anyone with any interview advices and experience, please share. i am gonna need a fulltime job next year.

A) You go to Cornell
B) MS NY doesn't hire many Asians
C) Your GPA probably isn't 3.9

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: cain
if you have any insight to different interviewing skills, please share with me, us!!!

http://resume.monster.com/archives/dosanddonts/

Those tips are good, but I believe the best thing to do to prepare for interview is to actually sit with your friend and practice.

I believe the hardest thing to do is to actually blow off that nervousness that comes be4 the interview.

 

[cain]

Originally posted by: Lobstar

Originally posted by: cain
i got rejected by Morgan Stanley for a summer internship in their institutional securities division. it took them over a month to get back to me, i almost missed a deadline for my other offer. in any case, the reasons that they offered was that I wasn't motivated, I didn't research the company enough. I spent a whole day preparing for this interview damn it. good thing i got an offer from somewhere else though, i didnt prepare for that interview at all and it was relaxed and i was very much myself.

MS is going down anyway, with all those execs leaving. there have even been talks to splitting the firm!!! that's just insane!!! MS is number 2 on the league tables!!

so anyway, anyone with any interview advices and experience, please share. i am gonna need a fulltime job next year.

A) You go to Cornell
B) MS NY doesn't hire many Asians
C) Your GPA probably isn't 3.9

yeah they do, i met with 1 exec director, 2 VPs, an associate, and 2 analysts, 4 of them were asian.

oh yeah, i already read all the Vault/Monstertrak guides. I just wanted to hear something that people here have gone through.

i was very nervous during the MS interview, that was a fact. I wish I were more laid back and stuff, like my Zurich interview (when i didn't really care).

 

[Doggiedog]

There's more to Wall Street than just Ibanking. There's equity research, fixed income research, credit analysis, etc. You may want to widen your search a bit.

I'm in equity research but they've already picked interns here for this summer.

I would follow other people's advice on interviewing though. You should know everything there is that pertains to the job. You won't believe some of the people that we've interviewed that come in with absolutely no knowledge of what we do. If the person understands the job, tasks needed to be done, displays enthusiasm, and has a willingness to work long hours, they are halfway to getting the job. The rest is compatibility.

IBanking will always be the most competitive IMO. However, right now there is a shortage of people in equity research. The industry has become so regulated and the hours are so long that not too many people want to do it. It is really hard to find anyone qualified these days. We have 2 openings for associates here and they've been open for months. It might be a little late but it wouldn't hurt to check out equity research intern positions. The work is somewhat similar to IB.

 

[cain]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
There's more to Wall Street than just Ibanking. There's equity research, fixed income research, credit analysis, etc. You may want to widen your search a bit.

I'm in equity research but they've already picked interns here for this summer.

I would follow other people's advice on interviewing though. You should know everything there is that pertains to the job. You won't believe some of the people that we've interviewed that come in with absolutely no knowledge of what we do. If the person understands the job, tasks needed to be done, displays enthusiasm, and has a willingness to work long hours, they are halfway to getting the job. The rest is compatibility.

IBanking will always be the most competitive IMO. However, right now there is a shortage of people in equity research. The industry has become so regulated and the hours are so long that not too many people want to do it. It is really hard to find anyone qualified these days. We have 2 openings for associates here and they've been open for months. It might be a little late but it wouldn't hurt to check out equity research intern positions. The work is somewhat similar to IB.

hey thanks man. I have been applying to research positions as well. In fact I have an interview coming up with some research firm (just practicing my interviewing skills). The position I was applying to at MS wasn't Ibanking either. it was just this special division within their institutional securities division that does support analysis work for the investment banking division. i bear no enthusiasm for actual investment banking work, all my friends who have done it hates it. The only reason I applied to the IB position is that I want to see if I can handle it. Thanks for the advice though. Will definitely keep it in mind. Where do you work by the way? Maybe I will apply next year

 

[Lobstar]

Originally posted by: cain

Originally posted by: Lobstar

Originally posted by: cain
i got rejected by Morgan Stanley for a summer internship in their institutional securities division. it took them over a month to get back to me, i almost missed a deadline for my other offer. in any case, the reasons that they offered was that I wasn't motivated, I didn't research the company enough. I spent a whole day preparing for this interview damn it. good thing i got an offer from somewhere else though, i didnt prepare for that interview at all and it was relaxed and i was very much myself.

MS is going down anyway, with all those execs leaving. there have even been talks to splitting the firm!!! that's just insane!!! MS is number 2 on the league tables!!

so anyway, anyone with any interview advices and experience, please share. i am gonna need a fulltime job next year.

A) You go to Cornell
B) MS NY doesn't hire many Asians
C) Your GPA probably isn't 3.9

yeah they do, i met with 1 exec director, 2 VPs, an associate, and 2 analysts, 4 of them were asian.

oh yeah, i already read all the Vault/Monstertrak guides. I just wanted to hear something that people here have gone through.

i was very nervous during the MS interview, that was a fact. I wish I were more laid back and stuff, like my Zurich interview (when i didn't really care).

Maybe you met with 4 asians bc they thought you'd feel more comfortable with them. My friend who interviewed at Lehman had the same experience; interviews with only Asians, starts job and it's all white people.

BTW, never work for Lehman, by far crappiest bulge.

 

[Doggiedog]

YGPM

 

[Reckoner]

Most companies don't give a damn about GPA, besides the top business firms, and even they generally don't put that much emphasis on it anymore. College grading is a joke.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Most companies don't give a damn about GPA, besides the top business firms, and even they generally don't put that much emphasis on it anymore. College grading is a joke.

They do care when you are fresh out of college.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: Lobstar

Originally posted by: cain

Originally posted by: Lobstar

Originally posted by: cain
i got rejected by Morgan Stanley for a summer internship in their institutional securities division. it took them over a month to get back to me, i almost missed a deadline for my other offer. in any case, the reasons that they offered was that I wasn't motivated, I didn't research the company enough. I spent a whole day preparing for this interview damn it. good thing i got an offer from somewhere else though, i didnt prepare for that interview at all and it was relaxed and i was very much myself.

MS is going down anyway, with all those execs leaving. there have even been talks to splitting the firm!!! that's just insane!!! MS is number 2 on the league tables!!

so anyway, anyone with any interview advices and experience, please share. i am gonna need a fulltime job next year.

A) You go to Cornell
B) MS NY doesn't hire many Asians
C) Your GPA probably isn't 3.9

yeah they do, i met with 1 exec director, 2 VPs, an associate, and 2 analysts, 4 of them were asian.

oh yeah, i already read all the Vault/Monstertrak guides. I just wanted to hear something that people here have gone through.

i was very nervous during the MS interview, that was a fact. I wish I were more laid back and stuff, like my Zurich interview (when i didn't really care).

Maybe you met with 4 asians bc they thought you'd feel more comfortable with them. My friend who interviewed at Lehman had the same experience; interviews with only Asians, starts job and it's all white people.

BTW, never work for Lehman, by far crappiest bulge.

Not necessarily true. There are a lot of Asian on WS. Look at Deutsche Bank, their CEO is Indian. In my dept, there are 10 Asians out of 19 analysts and associates. It would have been 11 but they fired one recently. 4 Koreans, 3 Indians, 1 Chinese, 1 Japanese, 1 Filipino and 1 Malaysian. 1 MD, 2 Directors, 2 VPs and 4 senior associates and 1 associates. If I look across at IB (across the hall), the whole department looks Indian or Pakistani. The traders and salespeople are all white though.

 

[Lobstar]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Most companies don't give a damn about GPA, besides the top business firms, and even they generally don't put that much emphasis on it anymore. College grading is a joke.

Morgan isn't a top business firm?

 

[Lobstar]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: Lobstar

Originally posted by: cain

Originally posted by: Lobstar

Originally posted by: cain
i got rejected by Morgan Stanley for a summer internship in their institutional securities division. it took them over a month to get back to me, i almost missed a deadline for my other offer. in any case, the reasons that they offered was that I wasn't motivated, I didn't research the company enough. I spent a whole day preparing for this interview damn it. good thing i got an offer from somewhere else though, i didnt prepare for that interview at all and it was relaxed and i was very much myself.

MS is going down anyway, with all those execs leaving. there have even been talks to splitting the firm!!! that's just insane!!! MS is number 2 on the league tables!!

so anyway, anyone with any interview advices and experience, please share. i am gonna need a fulltime job next year.

A) You go to Cornell
B) MS NY doesn't hire many Asians
C) Your GPA probably isn't 3.9

yeah they do, i met with 1 exec director, 2 VPs, an associate, and 2 analysts, 4 of them were asian.

oh yeah, i already read all the Vault/Monstertrak guides. I just wanted to hear something that people here have gone through.

i was very nervous during the MS interview, that was a fact. I wish I were more laid back and stuff, like my Zurich interview (when i didn't really care).

Maybe you met with 4 asians bc they thought you'd feel more comfortable with them. My friend who interviewed at Lehman had the same experience; interviews with only Asians, starts job and it's all white people.

BTW, never work for Lehman, by far crappiest bulge.

Not necessarily true. There are a lot of Asian on WS. Look at Deutsche Bank, their CEO is Indian. In my dept, there are 10 Asians out of 19 analysts and associates. It would have been 11 but they fired one recently. 4 Koreans, 3 Indians, 1 Chinese, 1 Japanese, 1 Filipino and 1 Malaysian. 1 MD, 2 Directors, 2 VPs and 4 senior associates and 1 associates. If I look across at IB (across the hall), the whole department looks Indian or Pakistani. The traders and salespeople are all white though.

Interesting.