Originally posted by: Doggiedog
Originally posted by: Lobstar
Originally posted by: cain
Originally posted by: Lobstar
Originally posted by: cain
i got rejected by Morgan Stanley for a summer internship in their institutional securities division. it took them over a month to get back to me, i almost missed a deadline for my other offer. in any case, the reasons that they offered was that I wasn't motivated, I didn't research the company enough. I spent a whole day preparing for this interview damn it. good thing i got an offer from somewhere else though, i didnt prepare for that interview at all and it was relaxed and i was very much myself.
MS is going down anyway, with all those execs leaving. there have even been talks to splitting the firm!!! that's just insane!!! MS is number 2 on the league tables!!
so anyway, anyone with any interview advices and experience, please share. i am gonna need a fulltime job next year.
A) You go to Cornell
B) MS NY doesn't hire many Asians
C) Your GPA probably isn't 3.9
yeah they do, i met with 1 exec director, 2 VPs, an associate, and 2 analysts, 4 of them were asian.
oh yeah, i already read all the Vault/Monstertrak guides. I just wanted to hear something that people here have gone through.
i was very nervous during the MS interview, that was a fact. I wish I were more laid back and stuff, like my Zurich interview (when i didn't really care).
Maybe you met with 4 asians bc they thought you'd feel more comfortable with them. My friend who interviewed at Lehman had the same experience; interviews with only Asians, starts job and it's all white people.
BTW, never work for Lehman, by far crappiest bulge.
Not necessarily true. There are a lot of Asian on WS. Look at Deutsche Bank, their CEO is Indian. In my dept, there are 10 Asians out of 19 analysts and associates. It would have been 11 but they fired one recently. 4 Koreans, 3 Indians, 1 Chinese, 1 Japanese, 1 Filipino and 1 Malaysian. 1 MD, 2 Directors, 2 VPs and 4 senior associates and 1 associates. If I look across at IB (across the hall), the whole department looks Indian or Pakistani. The traders and salespeople are all white though.
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: Doggiedog
Originally posted by: Lobstar
Originally posted by: cain
Originally posted by: Lobstar
Originally posted by: cain
i got rejected by Morgan Stanley for a summer internship in their institutional securities division. it took them over a month to get back to me, i almost missed a deadline for my other offer. in any case, the reasons that they offered was that I wasn't motivated, I didn't research the company enough. I spent a whole day preparing for this interview damn it. good thing i got an offer from somewhere else though, i didnt prepare for that interview at all and it was relaxed and i was very much myself.
MS is going down anyway, with all those execs leaving. there have even been talks to splitting the firm!!! that's just insane!!! MS is number 2 on the league tables!!
so anyway, anyone with any interview advices and experience, please share. i am gonna need a fulltime job next year.
A) You go to Cornell
B) MS NY doesn't hire many Asians
C) Your GPA probably isn't 3.9
yeah they do, i met with 1 exec director, 2 VPs, an associate, and 2 analysts, 4 of them were asian.
oh yeah, i already read all the Vault/Monstertrak guides. I just wanted to hear something that people here have gone through.
i was very nervous during the MS interview, that was a fact. I wish I were more laid back and stuff, like my Zurich interview (when i didn't really care).
Maybe you met with 4 asians bc they thought you'd feel more comfortable with them. My friend who interviewed at Lehman had the same experience; interviews with only Asians, starts job and it's all white people.
BTW, never work for Lehman, by far crappiest bulge.
Not necessarily true. There are a lot of Asian on WS. Look at Deutsche Bank, their CEO is Indian. In my dept, there are 10 Asians out of 19 analysts and associates. It would have been 11 but they fired one recently. 4 Koreans, 3 Indians, 1 Chinese, 1 Japanese, 1 Filipino and 1 Malaysian. 1 MD, 2 Directors, 2 VPs and 4 senior associates and 1 associates. If I look across at IB (across the hall), the whole department looks Indian or Pakistani. The traders and salespeople are all white though.
Where do you work?
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Most companies don't give a damn about GPA, besides the top business firms, and even they generally don't put that much emphasis on it anymore. College grading is a joke.
They do care when you are fresh out of college.
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Most companies don't give a damn about GPA, besides the top business firms, and even they generally don't put that much emphasis on it anymore. College grading is a joke.
They do care when you are fresh out of college.
Most of my friends who got hired out of college didn't even list their GPA, and weren't even asked what it was.
Originally posted by: Lobstar
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Most companies don't give a damn about GPA, besides the top business firms, and even they generally don't put that much emphasis on it anymore. College grading is a joke.
Morgan isn't a top business firm?
Originally posted by: Lobstar
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Most companies don't give a damn about GPA, besides the top business firms, and even they generally don't put that much emphasis on it anymore. College grading is a joke.
They do care when you are fresh out of college.
Most of my friends who got hired out of college didn't even list their GPA, and weren't even asked what it was.
Starbucks?
Originally posted by: Doggiedog
I've never asked or been asked for a GPA or SAT score and I've been doing this for 10 years.
Originally posted by: Insomnium
Oh man, reading this entire thread definitely brings back fond memories of all the recruiting insanity that goes on at my school from January 10th till about mid February. A lot of you guys go to pretty kick ass schools, but needless to say, none of you (i dont think) have had the "pleasure" of competing with Wharton undergrads for all the top summer analyst positions.
An absolutely insane amount of firms, bulge and mid-cap alike, recruit at Penn and when they come down in January to February for in-person recruiting, mayhem erupts (it's actually a ton of fun 'cause you, and everyone else around you, is in the same boat so there's a lot of fun to be had). When the banks and consulting firms give their initial employer presentations in early January it feels as if all of Penn is trying to attend, and when the banks come down for interviews, it's not uncommon for students to miss classes for 1 or 2 straight weeks just to interview for summer jobs.
I was lucky enough to get several interviews with top firms, and scored a summer analyst job with one of the big guns, but a lot depends on who actually interviews you. I had some interviews that were absolutely hardcore and stressful, and some that were really lax, even for similar positions. I would say from personal experience that networking with your interviewers is ridiculously important. I dont know how it is at other schools, but here at Penn, a lot of firms will invite you out to dinner or drinks before your interview to break the ice and to get to know you better. The time spent at these things is probably the most important, as firms just don't get enough info about you in a short, 30-minute 1st round interview to make a sound decision.
By the way, someone mentioned that you shouldn't list your GPA on your resume. That's complete bs. Most banks will trash resumes without GPAs, for as I quote an analyst at UBS, "it makes it look like you're trying to hide something." List your GPA, and if it's low, you better have a good reason for it somewhere else on the resume.
Originally posted by: cchen
Originally posted by: Insomnium
Oh man, reading this entire thread definitely brings back fond memories of all the recruiting insanity that goes on at my school from January 10th till about mid February. A lot of you guys go to pretty kick ass schools, but needless to say, none of you (i dont think) have had the "pleasure" of competing with Wharton undergrads for all the top summer analyst positions.
An absolutely insane amount of firms, bulge and mid-cap alike, recruit at Penn and when they come down in January to February for in-person recruiting, mayhem erupts (it's actually a ton of fun 'cause you, and everyone else around you, is in the same boat so there's a lot of fun to be had). When the banks and consulting firms give their initial employer presentations in early January it feels as if all of Penn is trying to attend, and when the banks come down for interviews, it's not uncommon for students to miss classes for 1 or 2 straight weeks just to interview for summer jobs.
I was lucky enough to get several interviews with top firms, and scored a summer analyst job with one of the big guns, but a lot depends on who actually interviews you. I had some interviews that were absolutely hardcore and stressful, and some that were really lax, even for similar positions. I would say from personal experience that networking with your interviewers is ridiculously important. I dont know how it is at other schools, but here at Penn, a lot of firms will invite you out to dinner or drinks before your interview to break the ice and to get to know you better. The time spent at these things is probably the most important, as firms just don't get enough info about you in a short, 30-minute 1st round interview to make a sound decision.
By the way, someone mentioned that you shouldn't list your GPA on your resume. That's complete bs. Most banks will trash resumes without GPAs, for as I quote an analyst at UBS, "it makes it look like you're trying to hide something." List your GPA, and if it's low, you better have a good reason for it somewhere else on the resume.
umm... anyone who gets past the first round of interviews will be competing with people from other schools.
Originally posted by: Insomnium
Oh man, reading this entire thread definitely brings back fond memories of all the recruiting insanity that goes on at my school from January 10th till about mid February. A lot of you guys go to pretty kick ass schools, but needless to say, none of you (i dont think) have had the "pleasure" of competing with Wharton undergrads for all the top summer analyst positions.
An absolutely insane amount of firms, bulge and mid-cap alike, recruit at Penn and when they come down in January to February for in-person recruiting, mayhem erupts (it's actually a ton of fun 'cause you, and everyone else around you, is in the same boat so there's a lot of fun to be had). When the banks and consulting firms give their initial employer presentations in early January it feels as if all of Penn is trying to attend, and when the banks come down for interviews, it's not uncommon for students to miss classes for 1 or 2 straight weeks just to interview for summer jobs.
I was lucky enough to get several interviews with top firms, and scored a summer analyst job with one of the big guns, but a lot depends on who actually interviews you. I had some interviews that were absolutely hardcore and stressful, and some that were really lax, even for similar positions. I would say from personal experience that networking with your interviewers is ridiculously important. I dont know how it is at other schools, but here at Penn, a lot of firms will invite you out to dinner or drinks before your interview to break the ice and to get to know you better. The time spent at these things is probably the most important, as firms just don't get enough info about you in a short, 30-minute 1st round interview to make a sound decision.
By the way, someone mentioned that you shouldn't list your GPA on your resume. That's complete bs. Most banks will trash resumes without GPAs, for as I quote an analyst at UBS, "it makes it look like you're trying to hide something." List your GPA, and if it's low, you better have a good reason for it somewhere else on the resume.
Originally posted by: cain
i kind of sidestepped the gpa landmine by listing my majors gpas'. you mentioned something about explaining your gpa somewhere else on the resume if it's low, but where would be a good place?
it's pretty rare that you get invited out for dinner before first rounds, at least i didn't. but you make a good point though, some interviews are incredibly easy. my friend who scored a gig with DB, the second round was more sh1tshooting than the first!!! i knew i should have applied there!!
Originally posted by: cchen
Originally posted by: cain
i kind of sidestepped the gpa landmine by listing my majors gpas'. you mentioned something about explaining your gpa somewhere else on the resume if it's low, but where would be a good place?
it's pretty rare that you get invited out for dinner before first rounds, at least i didn't. but you make a good point though, some interviews are incredibly easy. my friend who scored a gig with DB, the second round was more sh1tshooting than the first!!! i knew i should have applied there!!
usually all the large firms have a big dinner a few days before the interviews to meet the candidate.
as for the gpa, what he meant was since you have a low gpa you better have something good (i.e. good experience) to offset it.