Mormons

[jonnyGURU]

Three words for you.....

Deseret Granola Cereal.

That alone makes it worth being a Mormon, I'm sure.

 

[engineereeyore]

Deseret Fruit Punch. That stuff was created under inspiration.

 

[TheShiz]

don't you even think for just a second that the fact that you can take one letter out of Mormons and spell Morons is a coincidence.

 

[SketchMaster]

This is not aimed at any one person.

I have mainly stood on the side lines when it comes to debates such as this, but now I feel I should speak my mind. I unfortunately lack the education to match every one on this forum wit for wit, But this will not keep me from voicing my opinion on the matter. So what I am about to say with either be something profound, or something that I will be ridiculed for.


I am by no stretch of the imagination a saint, I have said and done things that I am not proud of. And I'm not the best example of a Mormon, in fact, I have been debating with myself if there is indeed a God or not.

Though one thing that I can not tolerate is someone who thinks they have all the answers come and point a finger and mock someone for what the believe. I am not defending religion, I am making note that I find it ironic that some one who can't prove there isn't a God belittle some one that can't prove there is. The argument falls flat on it's face the moment it is created. No one wins.

I feel though that we as a human race are plummeting head long into a future that is filled with darkens. And not from a religious view, bet as one that sees what man is becoming. Racism, Stereotyping, lack of tolerance to things we perceive as ?strange?, we are all guilty of it.

I feel that all of us have a lot of growing up to do. Someone once said something along the lines of 'The more we learn, the more we learn we know nothing.'

Perhaps in time we shall come to have a greater understanding of things. Until then I won't waste time and energy with these so-called debates.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: astrocase
Mormons? Total crap religion. Guy I worked with couldn't pay his 10% fee or whatever it is they want all the time so he called up the church elder and told him he wouldn't make his payment. They told him he had to. He told them he couldn't pay both his mortgage and his fee. They told him he had to.

He paid his mortgage. They excommunicated him. All his friends were Mormon and they excommunicated him for paying his mortgage.

Total crock of a religion. He had to pretty much start over since he lost his friends and his religion.

When I was in H.S. a girlfriend's best friend was Mormon. I wasn't allowed in their house. Very rude. I had to stay outside since I was a guy. I was treated like some kind of dog that would rape her if I stepped into their home. Very very weird people.

I've met many nice Mormons but these two examples just piss me off.

The first 'example' is a total crock of sh!t. They don't excommunicate you for not paying tithing. Why you would spread such idiocy is beyond me, unless you're one of the 'fundamentalists' who would rather spread FUD about something you either disagree with or just to cause an argument.

The second one had nothing to do with the fact that they were Mormon. If the parents didn't want guys in the house, bfd...live with it..don't blame it on the religion, blame it on the parents.

If you're going to post in this thread, keep it real, please. Those of us who know about the religion are going to call you on it every time.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: TheShiz
don't you even think for just a second that the fact that you can take one letter out of Mormons and spell Morons is a coincidence.

No, but the fact that you do should speak volumes about you.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: astrocase
Mormons? Total crap religion. Guy I worked with couldn't pay his 10% fee or whatever it is they want all the time so he called up the church elder and told him he wouldn't make his payment. They told him he had to. He told them he couldn't pay both his mortgage and his fee. They told him he had to.

He paid his mortgage. They excommunicated him. All his friends were Mormon and they excommunicated him for paying his mortgage.

Total crock of a religion. He had to pretty much start over since he lost his friends and his religion.

When I was in H.S. a girlfriend's best friend was Mormon. I wasn't allowed in their house. Very rude. I had to stay outside since I was a guy. I was treated like some kind of dog that would rape her if I stepped into their home. Very very weird people.

I've met many nice Mormons but these two examples just piss me off.

The first 'example' is a total crock of sh!t. They don't excommunicate you for not paying tithing. Why you would spread such idiocy is beyond me, unless you're one of the 'fundamentalists' who would rather spread FUD about something you either disagree with or just to cause an argument.

The second one had nothing to do with the fact that they were Mormon. If the parents didn't want guys in the house, bfd...live with it..don't blame it on the religion, blame it on the parents.

If you're going to post in this thread, keep it real, please. Those of us who know about the religion are going to call you on it every time.

Agreed. Totally full of crap.

The reason I know about the Church and lovely Deseret Granola Cereal is because when I was a teen, kicked out of my house, I was taken in by a friend's parents. The parents happened to be Mormon.

They were quite low income, and often could not make their tithing (and 10% tithing is not unusual for MOST churches. In fact, the word "tithing" comes from the same word as "tenth") and sometimes couldn't even pay for food.

The Mormons have a church "grocery store" where families could go and pick up "Mormon generics" at very reasonable cost. All of the food was supplied by church owned companies.... and the quality of food was freaking AWESOME!

I eventually moved out. What little money I made was barely enough to even sustain me. That's when I became a bum.

For the record, I have NO church affiliation at all... except for that I married a PK. But her family is NOT Mormon, her dad is retired and I've only gone to his church about five times in my life.

 

[PatboyX]

i think tithing is pretty common in christian religions.
obviously, they'd like it if you did give 10% but they cant stop you from believing.
catholics are not "recognized" by the church if they use birth control or support abortion legislation...but ill bet you the church will take their money. and ill bet those people still call themselves catholics.
i think you can really only be kicked out of clubs not belief systems.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Who are you guys to say that he's lying? Just because you can't imagine YOUR church kicking someone out for not paying tithe doesn't mean another mormon church wouldn't.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Nik
Who are you guys to say that he's lying? Just because you can't imagine YOUR church kicking someone out for not paying tithe doesn't mean another mormon church wouldn't.

right...but wouldnt it be like a catholic church kicking someone out...the head of the mormon church has authority above and beyond the actual building. and i dont think mormon churches are set up in the heirarchy of paid clergy...so what authority would they have to actually do that?
i mean, i recognize that it might make little difference in the sense you are implying but at the level of Church vs. church it does.

 

[waggy]

damn. the amount of lies thrown in this thread is just amazing.

I was brought up in a Mormon church. I do not practice it now though. I have come to realize the church does not matter in your personal relationship with God and Jesus.

but i know for a fact they do not kick you out for having pre-martial sex. I lived with my girlfriend (now wife) for years and the Church knew about it. All they did is there best to get me married faster then we wanted. they even offered to pay for it in the church.

they also do not kick you out or tell you to divorce a person wh does not join the church. My wife would not join when we were married.

Yes there are some conflicting stuff. but there is also conflicting stuff in the Bible. Te fundamentals that the church teaches is great. 90% of Mormons are good people. I am still friends with many i went to church with.

edit: oh i was also never kicked out for not tithing. there was times i just did not have the money. while they would talk to me i was never threatned with getting kicked out.

 

[Alienwho]

Wow, finally we got some non biased voices of reason in this thread (johnyGURU, waggy, etc.) Thank you.

Nik

Who are you guys to say that he's lying? Just because you can't imagine YOUR church kicking someone out for not paying tithe doesn't mean another mormon church wouldn't.

Dude, it's the same church. It's one church, all following the same protocols. If someone really was excommunicated for such an offense, in all honestly, the bishop (or whoever authorized it) would be put under disciplinary action from the church and the offending persons church status would be re-evaluated. Getting kicked out of the church for not paying tithing simply is not true in any way shape or form.

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: Nik
Who are you guys to say that he's lying? Just because you can't imagine YOUR church kicking someone out for not paying tithe doesn't mean another mormon church wouldn't.

right...but wouldnt it be like a catholic church kicking someone out...the head of the mormon church has authority above and beyond the actual building. and i dont think mormon churches are set up in the heirarchy of paid clergy...so what authority would they have to actually do that?
i mean, i recognize that it might make little difference in the sense you are implying but at the level of Church vs. church it does.

That's right, an individual branch of the church does not have any right to create there own rules for kicking somebody out, all church protocol are followed the same. And that is correct, there is no paid clergy in the church, at all. Not a dime of any tithe paid goes toward any church leadership. They all have regular jobs, regular lives, and regular families.

 

[dwil]

To be kicked out of the Mormon church, you would have to face a council, no one person can just say "You're out unless you pay"

I heard the non-denom church near my house "suggested" that people tith one paycheck in January. That's 25%-50% of a monthly income. I also heard a lady was asked not to come back when she couldn't pay it.

I heard it.... makes it a good story. Doesn't make it true. But I did hear it, 3rd hand.

 

[astrocase]

Can the OP please change the thread title? I keep reading it as "MORONS".

 

[dwil]

Not to imply illiteracy, but it's sorta clear...

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: Nik
Who are you guys to say that he's lying? Just because you can't imagine YOUR church kicking someone out for not paying tithe doesn't mean another mormon church wouldn't.

right...but wouldnt it be like a catholic church kicking someone out...the head of the mormon church has authority above and beyond the actual building. and i dont think mormon churches are set up in the heirarchy of paid clergy...so what authority would they have to actually do that?
i mean, i recognize that it might make little difference in the sense you are implying but at the level of Church vs. church it does.

That's right, an individual branch of the church does not have any right to create there own rules for kicking somebody out, all church protocol are followed the same. And that is correct, there is no paid clergy in the church, at all. Not a dime of any tithe paid goes toward any church leadership. They all have regular jobs, regular lives, and regular families.

Right, because churches have never disagreed and split over this exact thing before! No, never! Nobody even *thinks* of running a church differently and every single church of each denomination believes exactly the same about everything!

Come on now, get real.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: dwil
Not to imply illiteracy, but it's sorta clear...

It was an insult, moron. <-- just like that.

 

[dwil]

I fully understood the insulting nature the comment. Being able to put a one word label to 11 million people's beliefs in one fell swoop in ATOT. I stand amazed at the insight and intelligence of so many of this (ATOT) community of Morons. I guess the Mormons will have to give up... they called us Morons on the Internets.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: dwil
they called us Morons on the throughout most of the civlized world.

fixed and QFT?

 

[dwil]

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[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: Nik
Who are you guys to say that he's lying? Just because you can't imagine YOUR church kicking someone out for not paying tithe doesn't mean another mormon church wouldn't.

right...but wouldnt it be like a catholic church kicking someone out...the head of the mormon church has authority above and beyond the actual building. and i dont think mormon churches are set up in the heirarchy of paid clergy...so what authority would they have to actually do that?
i mean, i recognize that it might make little difference in the sense you are implying but at the level of Church vs. church it does.

That's right, an individual branch of the church does not have any right to create there own rules for kicking somebody out, all church protocol are followed the same. And that is correct, there is no paid clergy in the church, at all. Not a dime of any tithe paid goes toward any church leadership. They all have regular jobs, regular lives, and regular families.

Right, because churches have never disagreed and split over this exact thing before! No, never! Nobody even *thinks* of running a church differently and every single church of each denomination believes exactly the same about everything!

Come on now, get real.

all i was saying was that the Church most likely didnt kick him out. the church could have, sure. but i still dont think its par for the course.
i couldnt care less what anyone believes...but i hate the idea that one religious belief system is somehow more crazed than the next. as though one is more based in reality than then another.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Nik

Right, because churches have never disagreed and split over this exact thing before! No, never! Nobody even *thinks* of running a church differently and every single church of each denomination believes exactly the same about everything!

Come on now, get real.

Sorry dude, but the records for each member of the church are not stored at the local level. The local branch or ward only receives a copy. In order for someone to be excommunicated from the church, their records have to be altered and that can not be done at the local level. I can tell you that because I work with membership records and I've seen how excommunication is handled. A local unit cannot excommunicate a member for the reasons listed without someone else knowing. Matter of fact, a local unit flat out can't excommunicate someone. It requires a council meeting with a higher authority. It is simply not possible for a local unit to do what has been claimed. The records are handled through software and the software does not allow it. Any attempt to alter that will flag the main office in SLC.

Sorry Nik, but it's just not possible for this to have happened without flagging someone higher up. And if that person where notified, this would not have happened.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: dwil
they called us Morons on the throughout most of the civlized world.

fixed and QFT?

Hey, you can also rearrange the letters and get the words "room" and "moon". WOW!!! I wonder what that means???

 

[SaltBoy]

You silly Normons with all your apostles and prophets and family proclamations and words of wisdoms - you're all bringing this world straight down the totty!

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