Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I understand there are fundamentalists and extremists...just like in every church. It's important to understand that the mainstream LDS church does not accept them and ex-communicates those who practice plural wives and such.
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Atomicus
Where are these plates he had to translate? And how were they translated without a Starfleet Universal Translator?
Scourge, if you say there are tons of flaws yet the average Mormon is a good person, then how come they can't see those flaws and leave the church? Good people, but ignorant?
Would you give up your life because humanity has it's flaws?
Originally posted by: cvrefugee
I fail to see how we are so strange. We raise families with good values, we promote higher education, we perform service wherever it's needed without any compensation.
Originally posted by: Bartino
Originally posted by: Scourge
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
What does everyone know (or think they know) about this church? I've been thinking about joining on the basis that they seem to be the purest of all chuches and getting to go across the world on a funded mission would be pretty fun.
I know quite a bit about the religion now, but I'm here to discuss some of the myths and fallacies about mormons and the LDS church...and I'm here to defend it.
Well, what's everyones thoughts?
If you're looking for a good background, especially of the extreme fundamentalist of the religion, take a look at Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. The book was very interesting, and will give you a perspective on the 'other' side of the religion, so to speak.
Every religion is going to have things its not proud of, things done in its name that most people disagree with, but that does not mean that things like that should be covered up and ignored. If you're seriously looking at joining, I know I would want to take a look at everything involved.
Also, are you sure that they fund the missions? I've been under the impression that those are on your dime, and that people are expected to donate 10% of what they make to the church. I could be wrong about them funding the missions, maybe its partially paid for if you go overseas(Not all of the missions are overseas by any means, and I don't think you have much say in where you go).
On the other hand, your average LDS member is generally a really good person. The church has a ton of flaws in my mind, but the 'average' person is better than average in terms of what they do for the community, how they treat other people, etc. That's not to say that you need to join the church to be a good person, or that everyone within the church is a good person.
if you want an even better book, because Under the Banner of Heaven is full of a lot of "opinions" just read the history of the church or of Joseph Smith
Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Atomicus
Where are these plates he had to translate? And how were they translated without a Starfleet Universal Translator?
Scourge, if you say there are tons of flaws yet the average Mormon is a good person, then how come they can't see those flaws and leave the church? Good people, but ignorant?
Would you give up your life because humanity has it's flaws?
If you notice your doctrine is flawed then abandon it.
Quit equating ditching a belief system to ending your life.
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Mormons are some of the nicest people I've ever met. Mormon haters are just intolerant jacka$$es.
Originally posted by: Scourge
Originally posted by: Bartino
Originally posted by: Scourge
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
What does everyone know (or think they know) about this church? I've been thinking about joining on the basis that they seem to be the purest of all chuches and getting to go across the world on a funded mission would be pretty fun.
I know quite a bit about the religion now, but I'm here to discuss some of the myths and fallacies about mormons and the LDS church...and I'm here to defend it.
Well, what's everyones thoughts?
If you're looking for a good background, especially of the extreme fundamentalist of the religion, take a look at Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. The book was very interesting, and will give you a perspective on the 'other' side of the religion, so to speak.
Every religion is going to have things its not proud of, things done in its name that most people disagree with, but that does not mean that things like that should be covered up and ignored. If you're seriously looking at joining, I know I would want to take a look at everything involved.
Also, are you sure that they fund the missions? I've been under the impression that those are on your dime, and that people are expected to donate 10% of what they make to the church. I could be wrong about them funding the missions, maybe its partially paid for if you go overseas(Not all of the missions are overseas by any means, and I don't think you have much say in where you go).
On the other hand, your average LDS member is generally a really good person. The church has a ton of flaws in my mind, but the 'average' person is better than average in terms of what they do for the community, how they treat other people, etc. That's not to say that you need to join the church to be a good person, or that everyone within the church is a good person.
if you want an even better book, because Under the Banner of Heaven is full of a lot of "opinions" just read the history of the church or of Joseph Smith
Most certainly read those as well, but I personally think that Under the Banner is a very well done book that examines part of the religion that you won't run into if you simply read about the history of the church. Like it or not, the LDS chruch likes to cover up things and make its history seem a lot more . . . flattering that it really was.
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Atomicus
Where are these plates he had to translate? And how were they translated without a Starfleet Universal Translator?
Scourge, if you say there are tons of flaws yet the average Mormon is a good person, then how come they can't see those flaws and leave the church? Good people, but ignorant?
Would you give up your life because humanity has it's flaws?
If you notice your doctrine is flawed then abandon it.
Quit equating ditching a belief system to ending your life.
My point is that if the church has it's flaws, it's because there are people making them. Why quit a team because a couple players are misbehaving?
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
My point is that if the church has it's flaws, it's because there are people making them. Why quit a team because a couple players are misbehaving?
Originally posted by: reverend boltron
Also, they believe that you can attain the same power as God could. If I recall correctly, wasn't that the reason Satan was kicked out of heaven? Because he wanted to be equal with God? Doesn't that sound like a plan of the enemy? To get people to do the EXACT same thing he did, except spin it so that they think they're doing the right thing.
The problem about being deceived is that you're deceived. You don't realize it, and you usually won't accept the fact that you are.
/flame on
Originally posted by: fitzov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons
My thoughts? Well, I'm a non-practicing catholic that has no faith in any institutionalized religion--you can pretty much guess what my thoughts are.
Originally posted by: Bartino
Originally posted by: reverend boltron
Also, they believe that you can attain the same power as God could. If I recall correctly, wasn't that the reason Satan was kicked out of heaven? Because he wanted to be equal with God? Doesn't that sound like a plan of the enemy? To get people to do the EXACT same thing he did, except spin it so that they think they're doing the right thing.
The problem about being deceived is that you're deceived. You don't realize it, and you usually won't accept the fact that you are.
/flame on
satan was kicked out of heaven because he waged a war against God.
Originally posted by: Bartino
Originally posted by: Scourge
Originally posted by: Bartino
Originally posted by: Scourge
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
What does everyone know (or think they know) about this church? I've been thinking about joining on the basis that they seem to be the purest of all chuches and getting to go across the world on a funded mission would be pretty fun.
I know quite a bit about the religion now, but I'm here to discuss some of the myths and fallacies about mormons and the LDS church...and I'm here to defend it.
Well, what's everyones thoughts?
If you're looking for a good background, especially of the extreme fundamentalist of the religion, take a look at Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. The book was very interesting, and will give you a perspective on the 'other' side of the religion, so to speak.
Every religion is going to have things its not proud of, things done in its name that most people disagree with, but that does not mean that things like that should be covered up and ignored. If you're seriously looking at joining, I know I would want to take a look at everything involved.
Also, are you sure that they fund the missions? I've been under the impression that those are on your dime, and that people are expected to donate 10% of what they make to the church. I could be wrong about them funding the missions, maybe its partially paid for if you go overseas(Not all of the missions are overseas by any means, and I don't think you have much say in where you go).
On the other hand, your average LDS member is generally a really good person. The church has a ton of flaws in my mind, but the 'average' person is better than average in terms of what they do for the community, how they treat other people, etc. That's not to say that you need to join the church to be a good person, or that everyone within the church is a good person.
if you want an even better book, because Under the Banner of Heaven is full of a lot of "opinions" just read the history of the church or of Joseph Smith
Most certainly read those as well, but I personally think that Under the Banner is a very well done book that examines part of the religion that you won't run into if you simply read about the history of the church. Like it or not, the LDS chruch likes to cover up things and make its history seem a lot more . . . flattering that it really was.
there is nothing to cover up. you read the history of the church and it will tell you all about polygamy if that is what you are concerned about. reading under the banner of heaven to get information about the mormon church is like going to a chevy dealer when you want to know about a dodge
Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Well...
Here is a discussion at ATOT that had 819 replies a while back. Should answer all your questions:
Is the Mormon Religion a Cult?
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...threadid=927844&enterthread=y&arctab=y
Originally posted by: reverend boltron
Also, they believe that you can attain the same power as God could. If I recall correctly, wasn't that the reason Satan was kicked out of heaven? Because he wanted to be equal with God? Doesn't that sound like a plan of the enemy? To get people to do the EXACT same thing he did, except spin it so that they think they're doing the right thing.
The problem about being deceived is that you're deceived. You don't realize it, and you usually won't accept the fact that you are.
/flame on
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
My point is that if the church has it's flaws, it's because there are people making them. Why quit a team because a couple players are misbehaving?
The church itself is fvcked up. The people "misbehaving" are the ones who started the church and the religion.
Originally posted by: Bartino
Originally posted by: reverend boltron
Also, they believe that you can attain the same power as God could. If I recall correctly, wasn't that the reason Satan was kicked out of heaven? Because he wanted to be equal with God? Doesn't that sound like a plan of the enemy? To get people to do the EXACT same thing he did, except spin it so that they think they're doing the right thing.
The problem about being deceived is that you're deceived. You don't realize it, and you usually won't accept the fact that you are.
/flame on
satan was kicked out of heaven because he waged a war against God.
Originally posted by: Bartino
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
My point is that if the church has it's flaws, it's because there are people making them. Why quit a team because a couple players are misbehaving?
The church itself is fvcked up. The people "misbehaving" are the ones who started the church and the religion.
what are you even talking about? do you even know anything about the history of the LDS church aside from the south park episode you watched?
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Bartino
Originally posted by: reverend boltron
Also, they believe that you can attain the same power as God could. If I recall correctly, wasn't that the reason Satan was kicked out of heaven? Because he wanted to be equal with God? Doesn't that sound like a plan of the enemy? To get people to do the EXACT same thing he did, except spin it so that they think they're doing the right thing.
The problem about being deceived is that you're deceived. You don't realize it, and you usually won't accept the fact that you are.
/flame on
satan was kicked out of heaven because he waged a war against God.
And why did he "wage war" with God? Because he saught to dethrone God and believed himself to be better than God. That's the reason he was kicked out. You might think there's no difference, but there is -a very significant difference.
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: fitzov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons
My thoughts? Well, I'm a non-practicing catholic that has no faith in any institutionalized religion--you can pretty much guess what my thoughts are.
I don't understand how people can be non-practicing catholics. Catholic isn't genetic... it's not something you can be a part of unwillingly. It's a faith. If you're not practicing, you're not a catholic.
Originally posted by: reverend boltron
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: fitzov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons
My thoughts? Well, I'm a non-practicing catholic that has no faith in any institutionalized religion--you can pretty much guess what my thoughts are.
I don't understand how people can be non-practicing catholics. Catholic isn't genetic... it's not something you can be a part of unwillingly. It's a faith. If you're not practicing, you're not a catholic.
Let us say that you were a Catholic when you were a kid, until you were about 19, then you went off to college, and eventually stopped going to church because of whatever reasons. Then eventually you stopped practicing everything else and really holding up to the whole being Catholic besides going to church, like, no prayer, works, etc., but you still held to the beliefs. That would make you a non-practicing Catholic.
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
And, Brigham Young is thought to be a murderer. link