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pinion9

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Oh my gosh, what a copout!!! "I'm not here to answer questions about my beliefs and understanding because they're irrelevant. You're just supposed to accept my beliefs and understanding without any questions."

You are pathetic. You have no answers to our questions yet expect continual answers to your ridiculous questions and horrible interpretations. And you know what, I don't care. Your blood isn't on my garments, so continue feeling the way you do. You're wrong and that's all there is to it. Been nice talking to you though. :roll:

Oh, and you forgot a few of the other items you brought up as well that we've already shot down. Is what you've listed just what's left over from the list? Though several of those have already been answered.

Spare me, you're pathetic.
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First, this thread is about the Mormon religion, not my religion. Second, I gave you the answer to one question, and I don't feel like searching through this thread for the other questions. You have shot down none of the items I listed; you made excuses for them (Joe Smith really never translated those plates, etc.) All of the stories people have told, even first hand stories, you claim aren't REALLY how things happened. Convenient.

Again, my point is for people to see how stupid this cult really is. I know you get a hard-on every time someone says that, but truly, it is you who has been conned and your religion will die a slow death and be forgotten in a hundred more years.

 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Oh my gosh, what a copout!!! "I'm not here to answer questions about my beliefs and understanding because they're irrelevant. You're just supposed to accept my beliefs and understanding without any questions."

You are pathetic. You have no answers to our questions yet expect continual answers to your ridiculous questions and horrible interpretations. And you know what, I don't care. Your blood isn't on my garments, so continue feeling the way you do. You're wrong and that's all there is to it. Been nice talking to you though. :roll:

Oh, and you forgot a few of the other items you brought up as well that we've already shot down. Is what you've listed just what's left over from the list? Though several of those have already been answered.

Spare me, you're pathetic.
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First, this thread is about the Mormon religion, not my religion. Second, I gave you the answer to one question, and I don't feel like searching through this thread for the other questions. You have shot down none of the items I listed; you made excuses for them (Joe Smith really never translated those plates, etc.) All of the stories people have told, even first hand stories, you claim aren't REALLY how things happened. Convenient.

Again, my point is for people to see how stupid this cult really is. I know you get a hard-on every time someone says that, but truly, it is you who has been conned and your religion will die a slow death and be forgotten in a hundred more years.

Hey, you still have questions, questions that need answers. And yes, I will post this after every single post you make. Every one until I get my answers or you stop posting. I can do this all day.
 

HBalzer

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After seeing this thread i did some Google searching. While there is a ton of crap to sift through some things I thought were interesting Mormons life expectancy is higher than non-Mormons, and I find this hard to believe but Mormons who marry in the ?temple? have a divorce rate of 6% (interesting do to recent thread on divorce rate 1 in 2)
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: Amdiggidy
Originally posted by: HBalzer
It is funny how humans attack things they fear. pinion9, nik, and whoever else i have to ask why does the mormon church scare you? It doesn't bother anyone sure you have to send the missionaries away maybe once a year but who really cares, unless you fear they are right.

Unfortunately, there are alot of misinformed individuals in this thread making comments about a religion that they do not fully understand.

Mormon, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, or whatever: there's no need to bash on someone else because they do not believe the way YOU think they should.

Period.

I agree. I do understand the religion, however, because my in-laws are Mormon. I see it literally every day. I don't care that people are Mormon. In general, Mormons are good people. However, it is a cult, and no one should join just to go on a mission and see the world. You join a religion because you like the philosophy and what they teach, not the fringe benefits. If you really believe some underwear will give you protection and the Jesus lives on Kolob, join up! But you need to realize that is the type of stuff they believe.

 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: Amdiggidy
Originally posted by: HBalzer
It is funny how humans attack things they fear. pinion9, nik, and whoever else i have to ask why does the mormon church scare you? It doesn't bother anyone sure you have to send the missionaries away maybe once a year but who really cares, unless you fear they are right.

Unfortunately, there are alot of misinformed individuals in this thread making comments about a religion that they do not fully understand.

Mormon, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, or whatever: there's no need to bash on someone else because they do not believe the way YOU think they should.

Period.

I agree. I do understand the religion, however, because my in-laws are Mormon. I see it literally every day. I don't care that people are Mormon. In general, Mormons are good people. However, it is a cult, and no one should join just to go on a mission and see the world. You join a religion because you like the philosophy and what they teach, not the fringe benefits. If you really believe some underwear will give you protection and the Jesus lives on Kolob, join up! But you need to realize that is the type of stuff they believe.

Still no answers I see. How shocking!!
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: HBalzer
After seeing this thread i did some Google searching. While there is a ton of crap to sift through some things I thought were interesting Mormons life expectancy is higher than non-Mormons, and I find this hard to believe but Mormons who marry in the ?temple? have a divorce rate of 6% (interesting do to recent thread on divorce rate 1 in 2)

Hey, I didn't know that. Well, I knew the thing about life expectancy, but not about divorce rate. That's pretty cool.

Thanks for the post.
 

astrocase

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Actually I wasn't making fun of Mormons. If I'm scanning through the topics it reads as Morons.
 

HBalzer

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: Amdiggidy
Originally posted by: HBalzer
It is funny how humans attack things they fear. pinion9, nik, and whoever else i have to ask why does the mormon church scare you? It doesn't bother anyone sure you have to send the missionaries away maybe once a year but who really cares, unless you fear they are right.

Unfortunately, there are alot of misinformed individuals in this thread making comments about a religion that they do not fully understand.

Mormon, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, or whatever: there's no need to bash on someone else because they do not believe the way YOU think they should.

Period.

I agree. I do understand the religion, however, because my in-laws are Mormon. I see it literally every day. I don't care that people are Mormon. In general, Mormons are good people. However, it is a cult, and no one should join just to go on a mission and see the world. You join a religion because you like the philosophy and what they teach, not the fringe benefits. If you really believe some underwear will give you protection and the Jesus lives on Kolob, join up! But you need to realize that is the type of stuff they believe.

1. What makes the Mormon Church a cult and Baptist Church a Christian religion?
2. So the Mormons wear strange garments and believe in Kolob, how much do you know about the Catholic Church it has some strange ceremonies and teachings
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: HBalzer
After seeing this thread i did some Google searching. While there is a ton of crap to sift through some things I thought were interesting Mormons life expectancy is higher than non-Mormons, and I find this hard to believe but Mormons who marry in the ?temple? have a divorce rate of 6% (interesting do to recent thread on divorce rate 1 in 2)

Hmm, could it be that most Mormons live in civilized America and other first world countries? I can assure you there are few Mormons living in Darfur. Are the tallied in with the life expectancy?

My in-laws may be getting a divorce, and my sister-in-law just got a divorce. They were all married in the temple. I agree that it is probably low, but statistics can be skewed. Are they speaking of legal divorce or Temple divorce? They are different...
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: Amdiggidy
Originally posted by: HBalzer
It is funny how humans attack things they fear. pinion9, nik, and whoever else i have to ask why does the mormon church scare you? It doesn't bother anyone sure you have to send the missionaries away maybe once a year but who really cares, unless you fear they are right.

Unfortunately, there are alot of misinformed individuals in this thread making comments about a religion that they do not fully understand.

Mormon, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, or whatever: there's no need to bash on someone else because they do not believe the way YOU think they should.

Period.

I agree. I do understand the religion, however, because my in-laws are Mormon. I see it literally every day. I don't care that people are Mormon. In general, Mormons are good people. However, it is a cult, and no one should join just to go on a mission and see the world. You join a religion because you like the philosophy and what they teach, not the fringe benefits. If you really believe some underwear will give you protection and the Jesus lives on Kolob, join up! But you need to realize that is the type of stuff they believe.

1. What makes the Mormon Church a cult and Baptist Church a Christian religion?
2. So the Mormons wear strange garments and believe in Kolob, how much do you know about the Catholic Church it has some strange ceremonies and teachings

I already posted the cult checklist. For example, you do not associate much with those outside of the religion, you are told to wear special clothing, you have secret rituals that non-members can't even know about, you have prophets who get divine information from god and relay it to you, etc. Please see my other post about this.

Why don't you tell those looking to become Mormon about Kolob from day one? In your first teaching? Why not mention Kolob then? Why wait?

When do we get the Kool-Aid?

EDIT: To answer question number 2, this thread was about joining the Mormon church, not the Catholic church. When someone asks your opinion on the Ford Escape do you go into detail about why you like the Pontiac Vibe?

 

HBalzer

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: HBalzer
After seeing this thread i did some Google searching. While there is a ton of crap to sift through some things I thought were interesting Mormons life expectancy is higher than non-Mormons, and I find this hard to believe but Mormons who marry in the ?temple? have a divorce rate of 6% (interesting do to recent thread on divorce rate 1 in 2)

Hmm, could it be that most Mormons live in civilized America and other first world countries? I can assure you there are few Mormons living in Darfur. Are the tallied in with the life expectancy?

My in-laws may be getting a divorce, and my sister-in-law just got a divorce. They were all married in the temple. I agree that it is probably low, but statistics can be skewed. Are they speaking of legal divorce or Temple divorce? They are different...

Actually one study took members in utah and compared them with non-members in utah interesting short read but it does appear to be from BYU.

Link
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: HBalzer
After seeing this thread i did some Google searching. While there is a ton of crap to sift through some things I thought were interesting Mormons life expectancy is higher than non-Mormons, and I find this hard to believe but Mormons who marry in the ?temple? have a divorce rate of 6% (interesting do to recent thread on divorce rate 1 in 2)

Hmm, could it be that most Mormons live in civilized America and other first world countries? I can assure you there are few Mormons living in Darfur. Are the tallied in with the life expectancy?

My in-laws may be getting a divorce, and my sister-in-law just got a divorce. They were all married in the temple. I agree that it is probably low, but statistics can be skewed. Are they speaking of legal divorce or Temple divorce? They are different...

Actually one study took members in utah and compared them with non-members in utah interesting short read but it does appear to be from BYU.

Link

Oh, a study from BYU? Isn't that like having a customer satisfaction study on soda performed by Pepsi?

Seriously, you couldn't get a more biased source. As you should all know, statistics can lie very easily. Can you please show me a study done by a reputable secular college?

Thanks.
 

HBalzer

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I already posted the cult checklist.

For example, you do not associate much with those outside of the religion.
It is not uncommon for people to associate with people of their own ethnic group, religion, etc. In fact I find this totally untrue at my last house I had a Mormon neighbor, they spent more time trying to get to know me than any of my other neighbors. I believe it is part of their teaching to spread the gospel in order to do that they must associate with non-members.

you are told to wear special clothing

The Bible is filled with many strange things wearing some clothing seems right up gods alley

you have secret rituals that non-members can't even know about
this is true in many historic religions

you have prophets who get divine information from god and relay it to you
Is that not what the Bible consist of

Why don't you tell those looking to become Mormon about Kolob from day one? In your first teaching? Why not mention Kolob then? Why wait?
I don't think Kolob is a vital part of their religion in everything we do we start with the basics. Some of these you should be able to get on your own.

When do we get the Kool-Aid?
not sure on that one

EDIT: To answer question number 2, this thread was about joining the Mormon church, not the Catholic church. When someone asks your opinion on the Ford Escape do you go into detail about why you like the Pontiac Vibe?

Maybe not but you might point out the similarities and/or differences. So my point was totally valid, even by your analogy. (Ask any good salesman) [/quote]

 

HBalzer

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: HBalzer
After seeing this thread i did some Google searching. While there is a ton of crap to sift through some things I thought were interesting Mormons life expectancy is higher than non-Mormons, and I find this hard to believe but Mormons who marry in the ?temple? have a divorce rate of 6% (interesting do to recent thread on divorce rate 1 in 2)

Hmm, could it be that most Mormons live in civilized America and other first world countries? I can assure you there are few Mormons living in Darfur. Are the tallied in with the life expectancy?

My in-laws may be getting a divorce, and my sister-in-law just got a divorce. They were all married in the temple. I agree that it is probably low, but statistics can be skewed. Are they speaking of legal divorce or Temple divorce? They are different...

Actually one study took members in utah and compared them with non-members in utah interesting short read but it does appear to be from BYU.

Link

Oh, a study from BYU? Isn't that like having a customer satisfaction study on soda performed by Pepsi?

Seriously, you couldn't get a more biased source. As you should all know, statistics can lie very easily. Can you please show me a study done by a reputable secular college?

Thanks.

Did you read it? It is posted by many reputable sources. If the author did not have solid evidence it would not have been posted by multiple reputable sources.

Do a search on mormon life expectancy, or don't ignorance is bliss!
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: HBalzer
I already posted the cult checklist.

For example, you do not associate much with those outside of the religion.
It is not uncommon for people to associate with people of their own ethnic group, religion, etc. In fact I find this totally untrue at my last house I had a Mormon neighbor, they spent more time trying to get to know me than any of my other neighbors. I believe it is part of their teaching to spread the gospel in order to do that they must associate with non-members.

you are told to wear special clothing

The Bible is filled with many strange things wearing some clothing seems right up gods alley

you have secret rituals that non-members can't even know about
this is true in many historic religions

you have prophets who get divine information from god and relay it to you
Is that not what the Bible consist of

Why don't you tell those looking to become Mormon about Kolob from day one? In your first teaching? Why not mention Kolob then? Why wait?
I don't think Kolob is a vital part of their religion in everything we do we start with the basics. Some of these you should be able to get on your own.

When do we get the Kool-Aid?
not sure on that one

EDIT: To answer question number 2, this thread was about joining the Mormon church, not the Catholic church. When someone asks your opinion on the Ford Escape do you go into detail about why you like the Pontiac Vibe?

Maybe not but you might point out the similarities and/or differences. So my point was totally valid, even by your analogy. (Ask any good salesman)

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Yes, you try to get a lot of converts. However, it is true that those do not convert should not be associated with much. My best friends girlfriend told him he could not hang out with me/his non-mormon friends any more if he were to continue the relationship. This came from her Bishop.

You are not the Bible. I have never encountered a religion wherein special members wore special clothing and had rituals to get rid of it.

Many historic religions do have secret rituals. This is a checklist. It means there can be many cults and it also means that just one item doesn't make it a cult. These are cult like activities. If you have a cough it might be a cold, but it doesn't MEAN it is a cold.

Yes, the Bible does consist of prophets. It also told us to be wary of future prophets, and that is what I am.

Where God lives isn't vital? I would think many people would like to know this. I think you don't tell them because you think it would weird them out. You have to get them into the fold before you tell them the weird crap.

My analogy did not confirm what you said. Let me tell you about when I bought my last vehicle. I wanted to know specifics about the Duramax diesel. The salesman then started talking about how the new gas engines blah blah blah and told me nothing about my original question. So I went to a different dealership where the dealer answered my questions about the diesel.

See my point? The OP didn't ask about which religion was more cult like, or which was better. He asked specifically about ONE religion, and I am giving him the answers. He didn't ask about the Catholics, and no one gives a damn about the Vibe. Understand?
 

engineereeyore

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pinion9, you are correct on one thing. I have been quite condescending to you. And you know what, you're right, I do owe you an apology for that. So I do apologize for not being the nicest person.

Let me tell you though what the problem is that you have. You are correct in the fact that this topic is not about your religion, but about ours. However, you are quoting your opinion and beliefs about it. Therefore, your character, your understanding, and your beliefs do become important.

Given that, I will show you one of my questions, lest you feel you can get away from it. This is one of your comments, found on page 11 (at 40 post per page).

So you are saying that the Mormon religion has teachings that are conditional? If something is wrong, it is always wrong. You don't say "well there were extenuating circumstances, so I'll allow it." It can't be both ways. Either polygamy is wrong or it isn't.

Now, it is quite obvious from the scriptures that men such as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had multiple wives. So as you say, polygamy is either wrong or it isn't. With that in mind, what's the answer? Let me break it down for you.

1) It's wrong.

If that is indeed true, then those men previously listed stand under the condemnation of God. However, the Bible tells that those men were commanded by God to do what they did. So if this is true, either God is a liar, or the Bible is completely false.

2) It's right.

This would imply that you have no problem with what the Mormons did and with polygamy in their church. We know this can't be the answer because you wouldn't have brought it up if it was.

3) It can be right and wrong, given specific times.

If this is true, then your whole foundation just crumbled.

Can you see now where your understanding comes into question.

Now, let's look at your character. Again, another quote from you.

11 million members?!?! HAHAHAHA! Don't make me laugh. Even inactive members, such as my wife who has attended church in 5 or 6 years, is considered a member. See, what you people do is you get someone to join, but when they leave, it is a difficult process to get your name off the list and you still consider them a member. The fact of the matter is, the Mormon religion is a very small religion.

Now, there have been several post on here claiming that we excommunicate members for marrying non-members, for not paying their tithing, things such as this. You, however, claim that you are married to a non-active member of the church, but who is still a member. Why did you not come forth and state that such allogations were indeed false when you are living proof that they're not true? You claim you wife is still a member, so she couldn't have been excommunicated for marrying you, who are not a member (correct me if I'm wrong). Since she's also inactive, I'm going to guess she hasn't been paying tithing either, yet she hasn't been excommunicated for that either.

This is where I run into a problem with your character. You are not willing to address inaccuracies in the church, but only discriminating things that help you feel better about hating the church. This presents a very bad image on your character.

Considering all of this, why should anyone, anyone, belief your interpretations and understanding when they shine through as so much less than perfect in examples such as these?

There are some questions you can't claim you can't find. Answer them.
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: HBalzer
Did you read it? It is posted by many reputable sources. If the author did not have solid evidence it would not have been posted by multiple reputable sources.

Do a search on mormon life expectancy, or don't ignorance is bliss!

So since many reputable sources posted it, it must be reputable? It doesn't quite work like that.

Furthermore, I don't care if they have longer life spans or not. Not drinking soda/caffeine/tea probably is good for you. If vegan devil worshippers had a long life span, would you jump on board? Like I said, most of us could benefit from following the lifestyle. It isn't a bad lifestyle at all. Alcohol, ciggarettes, soda; it will all kill you.

Tell me about the divorce rate. Is that legal divorce or temple divorce?
 

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what exactly are you advocating pinion9? You don't believe the LDS faith, fine. But you are so enthusiastic about this it really has me confused. Why devote so much energy to this discussion? You alone probably have 30% of the posts in the past few pages.

For someone that claims to have converted so many from the church, your tactics are horribly unrefined. Your arrogant, and biased attitude causes me to immediately tune out anything you say, as it would for anyone seeking an objective answer.

What are you trying to convince people of? That acting like a snot to people you've never met is a better way of life than being a member of the LDS church? Maybe you're fed up with having discussions about the LDS church which is causing you to act like an ass. Then leave the thread!

The LDS members in this thread would be happy, I'm sure, to discuss any of the questions you've posed, had you done it in a less condescending manner. I'm personally surprised people are still responding to you.
 

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To clear something up that no one touched (but was mentioned):

1. Sunday is meant to be a holy day of sorts...meaning, the day should be given to God, if you will. If the TV's on, watching church related items would be suggested. It is not a requirement, however. This also includes a strong recommendation not to work.
2. Monday is normally FHE night (Family Home Evening). This is where the family gets together and does an activity, generally surrounding the church, it's gospel and doctrine, etc.
3. Wednesday is Mutual night (for the younger set, and the adults that are involved). That's when the Scouts and whatnot generally meet, activities are done, etc.

To clarify on my part:

I am an inactive member. I do not attend church now, nor did I go on a mission. I went to BYU for my Bachelors and the Marriott School of Business for my MBA. Because I am more carnally minded, there are certain things I don't wish to follow (I smoke, I drink socially, but rarely, I have a 3 and a half year old son out of wedlock, I've obviously had premarital sex, etc). I was baptized at 11, by my own volition. I attended church on my own without my family for several years, and I'm fairly well aware of the doctrine. I have other family members who are still very much active (even a couple who hold Bishopric positions). I finished college at 19, and rather than going on a mission, I felt it was more right to deal with some family issues that needed attention. That took much longer than expected, and in turn, I felt then that my time had passed for going on a mission (I'm well aware that I could still do a mission at some point).

The more I see pinion post, the more I see him spouting propaganda than anything else, and I find it amusing. The cult checklist is classic, simply because just about every organized religion falls into that list in some form or another.

The short answer: If you have any sort of belief in God, it would be hard not to believe that he would have touched one of his children with his word, and told said children to take it to the world. Why not some other guy (or people)? Who knows. God's a smart cookie. I'm sure he had his reasons.
 

HBalzer

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: HBalzer
I already posted the cult checklist.

For example, you do not associate much with those outside of the religion.
It is not uncommon for people to associate with people of their own ethnic group, religion, etc. In fact I find this totally untrue at my last house I had a Mormon neighbor, they spent more time trying to get to know me than any of my other neighbors. I believe it is part of their teaching to spread the gospel in order to do that they must associate with non-members.

you are told to wear special clothing

The Bible is filled with many strange things wearing some clothing seems right up gods alley

you have secret rituals that non-members can't even know about
this is true in many historic religions

you have prophets who get divine information from god and relay it to you
Is that not what the Bible consist of

Why don't you tell those looking to become Mormon about Kolob from day one? In your first teaching? Why not mention Kolob then? Why wait?
I don't think Kolob is a vital part of their religion in everything we do we start with the basics. Some of these you should be able to get on your own.

When do we get the Kool-Aid?
not sure on that one

EDIT: To answer question number 2, this thread was about joining the Mormon church, not the Catholic church. When someone asks your opinion on the Ford Escape do you go into detail about why you like the Pontiac Vibe?

Maybe not but you might point out the similarities and/or differences. So my point was totally valid, even by your analogy. (Ask any good salesman)

Yes, you try to get a lot of converts. However, it is true that those do not convert should not be associated with much. My best friends girlfriend told him he could not hang out with me/his non-mormon friends any more if he were to continue the relationship. This came from her Bishop.

One case doesn't make it the norm show my church teaching that state this.

You are not the Bible. I have never encountered a religion wherein special members wore special clothing and had rituals to get rid of it.

Nuns wear special clothing so do preist and cardinals

Many historic religions do have secret rituals. This is a checklist. It means there can be many cults and it also means that just one item doesn't make it a cult. These are cult like activities. If you have a cough it might be a cold, but it doesn't MEAN it is a cold.

Yes, the Bible does consist of prophets. It also told us to be wary of future prophets, and that is what I am.

Yea in the middle of it

Where God lives isn't vital? I would think many people would like to know this. I think you don't tell them because you think it would weird them out. You have to get them into the fold before you tell them the weird crap.

Who cares, how does knowing god lives on a place called Kolob help me in any way? Can i take a trip their? No Can i call their? No So it helps one how?

My analogy did not confirm what you said. Let me tell you about when I bought my last vehicle. I wanted to know specifics about the Duramax diesel. The salesman then started talking about how the new gas engines blah blah blah and told me nothing about my original question. So I went to a different dealership where the dealer answered my questions about the diesel.

See my point? The OP didn't ask about which religion was more cult like, or which was better. He asked specifically about ONE religion, and I am giving him the answers. He didn't ask about the Catholics, and no one gives a damn about the Vibe. Understand?

Most American religions stem from the Catholic Church, Baptist, Protestant, etc. Therefore when someone asks should I join a religion be it Mormon or any other it might be a good idea to consider what else is out their. Seeing as Catholicism is the root of most Christian religions I focused on that.

Sticking with the purchasing of a car analogy lets say a friend of yours wants to buy a chevy cobolt and you disagree would you not bring in other options for him to look at and compare? So again it is valid. How about another your son wants to go to a university he says I kind of like this one but am unsure. Do you not consider any of the other universities? It is okay to admit when you are wrong believe me am on many occasions this not being one of them.
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Originally posted by: dugweb
what exactly are you advocating pinion9? You don't believe the LDS faith, fine. But you are so enthusiastic about this it really has me confused. Why devote so much energy to this discussion? You alone probably have 30% of the posts in the past few pages.

For someone that claims to have converted so many from the church, your tactics are horribly unrefined. Your arrogant, and biased attitude causes me to immediately tune out anything you say, as it would for anyone seeking an objective answer.

This defines 90% of the members of Anandtech. Whether they're anti-Mormon or just hate a particular brand of power supply.

If you're not a fanatic, you're not a member of Anandtech Forums!

 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
There are some questions you can't claim you can't find. Answer them.

Didn't say I couldn't find them. Put this topic has a lot of posts and I didn't want to search through them.

About the polygamy, I see your point. I don't believe Joe Smith to be a prophet of God. I don't know enough about scriptures to answer the question about Abraham, etc. Was that old testament?

As far as my character, I'm not going to speak up and call someone a liar like you do. Churches are different and maybe they were excommunicated. For example, you stated that adultery will get you excommunicated from the Church. My father in law cheated on his wife with another member and was not excommunicated. I don't doubt that it is normal practice to excommunicate, but an exception was made. In the same line of reasoning, I can see why a member could be exed for something like no tithing, etc.

You make it sound like the entire Mormon Church is unified, when it isn't. I have a Mormon coworker who says the churches up here are much better than in the states. Down in the states the men oogle her and make her uncomfortable with comments; up here they are respectful. The Church will not always behave the same, even though it should.

I don't hate the Mormon church. I think Mormons are generally good people. However, it is still a cult, and like all cults, should be critically thought about. One problem with a cult is you join the fold and leave your own. Are people willing to accept that? There are a lot worse cults out there. But please, don't call yourselves Christians. You most certainly are not.

People don't have to believe me. I think your ranting about the protection giving garments and super special planet Kolob are enough to turn most people away.
 

Alienwho

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Originally posted by: Ronin
Originally posted by: dugweb

I think he's a JW.
I agree. I've never met people more fanatical and gung-ho to slam the mormons in my entire life than JW's. On my mission they would actually let us in, pretending to be sincerely interested, only to close the door and stir up the flames.

About the polygamy, I see your point. I don't believe Joe Smith to be a prophet of God. I don't know enough about scriptures to answer the question about Abraham, etc. Was that old testament?
Nevermind I take that back, he can't be JW, he doesn't know his scriptures well enough.
 
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