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engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: pinion9

Reading comprehension FTW!

I have to go for now. However, this has been over the span of a decade and 3 different neighborhoods. Maybe it is just the Church in this area. At any rate, I was explainaing why my wife hates it. I dislike it because of all the BS I have listed before.

Running without providing answers again? How typical.

Is that proper mormon behavior?

I'm sorry, are you the judge of that? I'm free to behave how I wish.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: HBalzer

So if i found a country that had no laws on polygamy the church would be okay with it?

If you lived in such a country, and you recieved a command from God to practice it, then yes. Otherwise, no.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: HBalzer

No one is perfect the church doesn't claim to have perfect members. However if my son goes through his teenage life with no drugs, alcohol, smoking, or premarital sex I think he deserves a little heavy petting.

Again, that is the problem. Yes, heavy petting > premartial sex for all parents. However, they are BOTH wrong. How can you condone one and condemn the other? Spirit of the law, my friend.

If my daughter goes through teenage life without ever trying heroin I think she deserves a little premarital sex.

Please don't step on the slippery slope.

that was one of my problems with the church. I admitted to masturbation. they had a hissy fit over that.

BUT as said the church does teach good things. how is staying away from drugs, pre-martial sex, doing well in school and sports (heck everything you do) and loving your family wrong?

but there are problems with the church. IF you have a member who is molesting or such others they want to fix it in the church first. Granted other church's have had similar problems.

to be honest i have more problems with all church's run and how currupt they are. To many people put there full faith in the church itself and not Jesus, God and the teachings.
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: pinion9

Reading comprehension FTW!

I have to go for now. However, this has been over the span of a decade and 3 different neighborhoods. Maybe it is just the Church in this area. At any rate, I was explainaing why my wife hates it. I dislike it because of all the BS I have listed before.

Running without providing answers again? How typical.

No, had something important to do. I'm back now. How do you know what is my typical behavior?

I call your church evil because Joe Smith claims to be a prophet of God when he is not. There are facts that prove he made things up. Too many inconsistencies in the religion. Like I have said many times, generally Mormons are good people. My stories are why my wife doesn't like the religion. I don't like it because I can see all the BS and it is all hard to stomach.

 

DestinyKnight

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: HBalzer
After seeing this thread i did some Google searching. While there is a ton of crap to sift through some things I thought were interesting Mormons life expectancy is higher than non-Mormons, and I find this hard to believe but Mormons who marry in the ?temple? have a divorce rate of 6% (interesting do to recent thread on divorce rate 1 in 2)

Hmm, could it be that most Mormons live in civilized America and other first world countries? I can assure you there are few Mormons living in Darfur. Are the tallied in with the life expectancy?

My in-laws may be getting a divorce, and my sister-in-law just got a divorce. They were all married in the temple. I agree that it is probably low, but statistics can be skewed. Are they speaking of legal divorce or Temple divorce? They are different...

Actually, over 50% of the membership of the church resides outside of the USA, and the Majority of that 50% are in South America. Over 3 Million members are Spanish Speaking and just under 1 Million speak Portuguese.

See Links Here and Here for more precise statistical information

Regarding your allusions to the LDS church owning Coca-Cola, it is complete buckus, as derailed by this Snopes article:

Do Mormons own the Coca-Cola Corporation?

Further to your comments about the finances of the Church and where money is spent, I wll refer you to the Wikipedia article on the subject Here.

My own thoughts an this subject is that the Church is a living, breathing and growing organization and does in fact have a business side (as ALL churches do). That said, the Church is responsible for a vast sum of money to the tune of around 5 billion dollars, and it should be noted that Tithing money, and Income generated through church investments are kept strictly separate. The church must however ensure that it will be financially viable in the long run, and church members expect those who manage the church assets to make wise investments to ensure this continued stability. Good investments include Land, and yes, even Malls. Commercial property of the like is nearly always a good and sound investment. I would expect no less from the Church.

You know, I find it very interesting that no other organization on this earth is so vehemently attacked and so closely examined as is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Not even the USA Government suffers such strict persecution in my eyes. Every little minute detail of our faith, beliefs, culture, organization, politics, history, leaders, membership, etc is examined down to the finest detail, and if it can be turned into an attack, no matter how small that detail may be, it will be, and it will be used to defame the church and its members to no end.

And why? For what purpose? I've known Mormons from around the entire world, having grown up in a military family, and everywhere I went I was welcomed warmly and treaded with love and respect. Mormons focus on developing strong families, upholding good morals and virtues, having love and charity for their fellow men. So what's so terrible about that? Because they have underwear? or that they believe that god has to live somewhere? be it Kolob or otherwise?

These really are very minor issues. Mormons do NOT have to wear the underwear, if they do not want to make the covenant (i.e. promise) to do so. You want to know what the deal is with the underwear? fine, I'll tell you: It's to serve as a reminder of the promises and covenants you have made with GOD. A physical reminder for a physical existence. Every time you change your pants, you are reminded of those promises. It's a reminder that helps keep GOD in your thoughts. So it can be thought of as a form of PROTECTION from sin.

And yes, we believe that GOD has a physical body, and so, I guess that he's got to live somewhere. but really, who cares? It's a non issue to the majority of Mormons.

I would think that the big issue for most people would be that GOD has a Body, not the fact that he happens to reside somewhere near a place called Kolob according to the scriptures in the Book of Abraham. GOD is Omniscient, and all powerful, so he could live in Kentucky for all I care.

There's a scripture that I'm very fond of: "By their fruits ye shall know them". Are not the fruits of our labor good? Do we not give of our sustenance to help the needy? Do we not help feed and clothe the poor? do we not raise good families? Do we not work hard, and strive to provide a good living for our families and try to live a life free of debt? Are we not assets to our communities?

Are there bad Mormons? Sure there are. we are all people, and are flawed like the rest of humanity. What else can I say about this? No one, save Christ himself, ever came to this earth and lived perfectly. We all Sin. We all have weaknesses, frailties,and other problems.

I live out my life striving to keep Gods commandments, overcome my weaknesses, and to find forgiveness from Him for my Sins.

What are you doing with your life??

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: pinion9

Reading comprehension FTW!

I have to go for now. However, this has been over the span of a decade and 3 different neighborhoods. Maybe it is just the Church in this area. At any rate, I was explainaing why my wife hates it. I dislike it because of all the BS I have listed before.

Running without providing answers again? How typical.

No, had something important to do. I'm back now. How do you know what is my typical behavior?

I call your church evil because Joe Smith claims to be a prophet of God when he is not. There are facts that prove he made things up. Too many inconsistencies in the religion. Like I have said many times, generally Mormons are good people. My stories are why my wife doesn't like the religion. I don't like it because I can see all the BS and it is all hard to stomach.

to many incosistencies? so how do you feel about other religions? the evil also? EVERY releigion has such crap.

While i bash the church for some items to call them Evil is insane.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: pinion9

No, had something important to do. I'm back now. How do you know what is my typical behavior?

Your typical behavior on this thread is that it takes forever to get you to answer a question, and even when you do, you claim a lack of understanding.

I call your church evil because Joe Smith claims to be a prophet of God when he is not. There are facts that prove he made things up. Too many inconsistencies in the religion. Like I have said many times, generally Mormons are good people. My stories are why my wife doesn't like the religion. I don't like it because I can see all the BS and it is all hard to stomach.

That's fine. You're welcome to feel that way. However, like I said, unless you are willing to accept the blame for the actions of all Christians, you should not pass blame to the LDS church for the actions of some of its members. Therefore, I suggest you keep your post to how you don't believe Joseph Smith, not how awful the Church is.
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: DestinyKnight
What are you doing with your life??

Wasting it on ATOT.

Seriously, I don't find myself striving to keep the commandments. It comes naturally. Overcome weaknesses? Don't we all do that. Find forgiveness for your sins? That is easy; you simply ask.

See, according to my Bible, it states you must only believe Jesus dies for your sins and repent in order to gain entrance into Heaven (and it doesn't mention which level of Heaven since there is only one.) Let me tell you, it is much better to live this way and I can focus my life on my family, work, friends and doing things that I enjoy such as gaming, building, boating, etc. I don't need some organization to dictate how I should live and it is sad that so many people do. I don't need to be told that Monday is family night and Sunday is no work day. I can focus on God while I work on my house, etc.

Anyhow, Book of Mormon contradicts MY interpretation of the Bible. That is it. Believe what you want, because, in the end, how does any of us know that we picked the correct religion?
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: waggy

to many incosistencies? so how do you feel about other religions? the evil also? EVERY releigion has such crap.

While i bash the church for some items to call them Evil is insane.

This thread is about the Mormon religion.

 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Your typical behavior on this thread is that it takes forever to get you to answer a question, and even when you do, you claim a lack of understanding.

I said that about one topic. One. Seems like you also draw gross conclusions based upon single incidents.

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
That's fine. You're welcome to feel that way. However, like I said, unless you are willing to accept the blame for the actions of all Christians, you should not pass blame to the LDS church for the actions of some of its members. Therefore, I suggest you keep your post to how you don't believe Joseph Smith, not how awful the Church is.

Like I've said before, I despise all organized religion. Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Mormon, Islam, etc. I believe it turns people into sheep. They begin listening to a flawed mans interpretation of the Bible instead of their own. But, THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE LDS CHURCH! What don't you people get about that?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Your typical behavior on this thread is that it takes forever to get you to answer a question, and even when you do, you claim a lack of understanding.

I said that about one topic. One. Seems like you also draw gross conclusions based upon single incidents.

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
That's fine. You're welcome to feel that way. However, like I said, unless you are willing to accept the blame for the actions of all Christians, you should not pass blame to the LDS church for the actions of some of its members. Therefore, I suggest you keep your post to how you don't believe Joseph Smith, not how awful the Church is.

Like I've said before, I despise all organized religion. Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Mormon, Islam, etc. I believe it turns people into sheep. They begin listening to a flawed mans interpretation of the Bible instead of their own. But, THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE LDS CHURCH! What don't you people get about that?

party because you are claiming the church is Evil based on something that happened. so i asked how that makes the church evil when you do not say anything about other church's being evil.

yes the thread is about the mormon church. but we are allowed to question a response you post

If you belive all orginized religions are evil then that is something else and i can understand why you think that (since througout history nearly every church has done what you describe to make them evil).
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: waggy

party because you are claiming the church is Evil based on something that happened. so i asked how that makes the church evil when you do not say anything about other church's being evil.

yes the thread is about the mormon church. but we are allowed to question a response you post

If you belive all orginized religions are evil then that is something else and i can understand why you think that (since througout history nearly every church has done what you describe to make them evil).

I answered this already. Many other churches are evil.

What makes the Mormons particularly heinous is the way they proselityze and the aggressive recruiting campaign. That is what sets them above most churches.

 

Bartino

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are you threatened by that? just dont answer the door. simple as that, and if you do answer the door just say no thanks and they will leave. trust me, i did it for two years and all it took is people to say no and that was that. what's the big deal?
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: Bartino
are you threatened by that? just dont answer the door. simple as that, and if you do answer the door just say no thanks and they will leave. trust me, i did it for two years and all it took is people to say no and that was that. what's the big deal?

You know, you are different than those here. They still come knocking on our door even though they know my wife isn't active. They still call trying to get her back. It is a violation of my space. Is there a national "Mormon Do-Not-Knock Registry"? That would be sweet.

It is irritating. It is demeaning. How weak is your religion that you have to sell it? Your religion has been relegated to using tactics employed by the Hoover salesman. You are no better than the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

pinion9

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I was little freaked out the first time we got a call from the church. Seriously, on our caller ID, all it said was Jesus Christ (I assume the full name was truncated somehow.) At any rate, imagine my surprise when the phone rings and caller ID says it is Jesus Christ. I thought I was in trouble. I have heard of getting a call from him, but I didn't know he used AT&T.


 

Alienwho

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: Bartino
are you threatened by that? just dont answer the door. simple as that, and if you do answer the door just say no thanks and they will leave. trust me, i did it for two years and all it took is people to say no and that was that. what's the big deal?

You know, you are different than those here. They still come knocking on our door even though they know my wife isn't active. They still call trying to get her back. It is a violation of my space. Is there a national "Mormon Do-Not-Knock Registry"? That would be sweet.

It is irritating. It is demeaning. How weak is your religion that you have to sell it? Your religion has been relegated to using tactics employed by the Hoover salesman. You are no better than the Jehova's Witnesses.
I still don't understand how we can miraculously fit your oxymoranic description of the church. Either we are a secretive cult who are forbidden to associate with non members, or we are a hyperactive over zealous proselyting bunch of psychos who refuse to leave people alone. Choose one side and stick with it please.
 

Bartino

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: Bartino
are you threatened by that? just dont answer the door. simple as that, and if you do answer the door just say no thanks and they will leave. trust me, i did it for two years and all it took is people to say no and that was that. what's the big deal?

You know, you are different than those here. They still come knocking on our door even though they know my wife isn't active. They still call trying to get her back. It is a violation of my space. Is there a national "Mormon Do-Not-Knock Registry"? That would be sweet.

It is irritating. It is demeaning. How weak is your religion that you have to sell it? Your religion has been relegated to using tactics employed by the Hoover salesman. You are no better than the Jehova's Witnesses.

missionary work is a sign of weakness huh? wow i guess i just never figured the fastest growing church in the US to be weak. how is it demeaning? the only reason it is a dmeaning thing to you is if you are threatened. how is me talking to you saying that i have found something that has been a great help in my life, and offering you a chance to see if it can help you too, demeaning? now if i held a gun to your head and said you WILL become mormon, than thats a different story, but it isnt anything like that.

 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: Alienwho
I still don't understand how we can miraculously fit your oxymoranic description of the church. Either we are a secretive cult who are forbidden to associate with non members, or we are a hyperactive over zealous proselyting bunch of psychos who refuse to leave people alone. Choose one side and stick with it please.

You don't get it. You try to convert people as cults do. However, those that cannot be converted you don't stay friends with (generally.) You don't leave those alone if you think they can be converted. Do you need me to break this down any more? You are both things: you are a cult. You knock at peoples doors trying to get

Ah to hell with it. You are right. I apologize and LDS is the one true church. Believe whatever you want. I don't care.


 

compuwiz1

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Back in 89 my wife and I bought a house in this one neighborhood. At first the next door neighbors were cordial, offering to help us unload our stuff, etc. The discussion turned to the LDS church, and the fact they were Mormons. When they found out we were not mormons, they questioned how we even bought the house, pointing out that every other house in that neighborhood was owned by mormons.
After they found out we were not mormons, and were never goiing to become mormons, they became less friendly, and eventually hostile toward us.
 

Bartino

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was that in UT? i hate hearing stuff like this because of how ridiculous it is. i dont know why people have to be so closed. anyways, srry that you met some "lame" mormons.haha
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: pinion9

You know, you are different than those here. They still come knocking on our door even though they know my wife isn't active. They still call trying to get her back. It is a violation of my space. Is there a national "Mormon Do-Not-Knock Registry"? That would be sweet.

It is irritating. It is demeaning. How weak is your religion that you have to sell it? Your religion has been relegated to using tactics employed by the Hoover salesman. You are no better than the Jehova's Witnesses.

So let me get this right. You think it's perfectly wonderful that we help each other out and try to do nice things for both members and non-members alike, but we're not allowed to contact those members?

If you don't want phone calls and visitors, there is a simple solution. Have you wife request here name be removed from the church records. Problem solved! You alluded to this earlier and said she didn't do it because there hadn't been problems. Now you are stating there are. Yet again we have contradictions in you thought process.

Whatever the decision, if she wants them removed, do it. If she doesn't, get over it. It's only your fault.
 
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