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GodisanAtheist

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I'm not entirely sure. It gives 'nobodies' a chance to generate some recognition. Of course, most are FPTP, and thus have too much fail.

-One of the bigger issues with incumbency is that it sort of sucks the air out of the room for anyone else trying to make a name for themselves within the same party.

It's easy for the opposition party to define themselves by squaring off against the POTUS, but members of the same party can't really get any sunshine without potentially stepping on some toes within the same party or seeming too extreme for the general populace (Newsom trying to get some street cred under Biden is basically Satan to conservatives and vice versa for De Santis under Trump).

A primary even when there is an incumbent might give folks someone to "keep an eye on" during the next open election (as well as help candidates / campaign managers get some practice before they have to really commit to an open election).
 

kage69

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I like the idea of one single six year term. Other presidents have mentioned that by year 8 they are toast anyway. I think we can allow a slightly higher age limit. The language would need to be more complicated than this but - elected congress and senate members must be no older than 68 on the date they are sworn in. People are living longer, and the better off tend to bit healthier (better health care).


We have a real problem with geriatric leadership that stays in power despite their brains struggling for oxygen and not really working... and you think "we can allow a slightly higher age limit"?!

Given this thread and the similar things happening with other politicians, I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion. Ignoring or trying to accommodate the old age problem is not the answer, sorry.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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My issue isn't old people. If you're old and you have your shit together (and people keep reelecting you) then fine, keep serving in whatever capacity.

But as soon as you demonstrably have ailments that prevent you from working, that you're not going to recover from, then you need to quit.

IMO a young person with a dibilitating illness who is unable to be present for a significant number of votes has no place being there any more than an oldy on brain pills who is in and out of hospice care, who misses a significant number of votes as well.
 

kage69

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If everyone was as sharp as Bernie once they're up there, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But that's not the way aging works unfortunately. If we could rely on voters not to vote for clearly unfit people, your Trumps, your Herschel Walkers, again, we might not be having this conversation. Not how the modern day electorate works though, is it? Not with millions of people who will vote not just party over country, but party over reason.

I have no problem mandating elected officials be physically capable of performing their duties of office. If that isn't possible, they need to go, be it due to injury, illness, or old age. No exceptions, no special cases. Allowing it to be case by case will lead to disputes, legal challenges, unique accommodations and so much delay that nothing will happen. Those who should be in hospice care will still be crafting legislation regarding subjects that they don't comprehend. Think Chuck Grassely, in all seriousness, asking Zuck how it is after all these years FB even makes money. That crook is older than the fucking chocolate chip cookie.

Let him and Feinstein become the norm of what to expect from Congress? Fuck that. Thank goodness younger generations are as much against that as I am.
 
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Ajay

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We have a real problem with geriatric leadership that stays in power despite their brains struggling for oxygen and not really working... and you think "we can allow a slightly higher age limit"?!
Than what you suggested sparky. Do the math, not much of a difference and a bit more precise.
 

BoomerD

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"No politician can be elected to ANY office past the age of 65. If the politician turns 65 while in office, he (or she) shall not be eligible to run for ANY office when the current one expires. No judge or justice (including US Supreme Court justices) shall remain in office past the age of 70."

Of course, those would take a constitutional amendment...and that's nearly impossible to do.
 
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zinfamous

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"No politician can be elected to ANY office past the age of 65. If the politician turns 65 while in office, he (or she) shall not be eligible to run for ANY office when the current one expires. No judge or justice (including US Supreme Court justices) shall remain in office past the age of 70."

Of course, those would take a constitutional amendment...and that's nearly impossible to do.

Nah. Just take a sharpie to it. GOP has no choice but to accept that based on precedent.
 

kage69

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Than what you suggested sparky. Do the math, not much of a difference and a bit more precise.

I've done the math, presented my idea. Voiced support for Carter's idea. 70 is a reasonable cut off for political office, IMO. This is actually where you're supposed to support your statement of "we can allow a slightly higher age limit." Seems you have a completely different take on the nature of the problem, or that maybe it's not a problem, somehow. I am all ears.

We need younger folks across the board, not older ones. It's their future.
 
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manly

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I've done the math, presented my idea. Voiced support for Carter's idea. 70 is a reasonable cut off for political office, IMO. This is actually where you're supposed to support your statement of "we can allow a slightly higher age limit." Seems you have a completely different take on the nature of the problem, or that maybe it's not a problem, somehow. I am all ears.

We need younger folks across the board, not older ones. It's their future.
You guys aren't even disagreeing. You said 64, he basically said age 67. His argument is fine, people in good health are not automatically toast around age 70.

We all recognize that the advanced age and declining health of some senators is a real problem; but on the flip side there are plenty of younger GOP members of the House that you wouldn't even trust to deliver a newspaper.
 

nakedfrog

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You guys aren't even disagreeing. You said 64, he basically said age 67. His argument is fine, people in good health are not automatically toast around age 70.

We all recognize that the advanced age and declining health of some senators is a real problem; but on the flip side there are plenty of younger GOP members of the House that you wouldn't even trust to deliver a newspaper.
Yeah, my mom just turned 68 and is still a competent programmer and in good physical shape, she could easily retire if she wanted, when I asked about it she said at this point her job is basically like a hobby that pays very well (she did over 20 years in the military too, so she's already well-set for retirement).
 

ivwshane

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Yeah, my mom just turned 68 and is still a competent programmer and in good physical shape, she could easily retire if she wanted, when I asked about it she said at this point her job is basically like a hobby that pays very well (she did over 20 years in the military too, so she's already well-set for retirement).

Retirement at any age is a bad idea unless you have a routine or activities you can do and not be idle for a majority of your time. Otherwise sitting at home and consuming media is a quick painless way to die soon.
 

Mai72

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Jeez, he looks like a corpse standing there.
And republicans worry about Bidens health?!

They all need to retire. Pelozi., Mitch, Biden, and Trump. Totally out of touch with today's economic climate.

How can you do your job if you can't even function in public.
 

Mai72

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Retirement at any age is a bad idea unless you have a routine or activities you can do and not be idle for a majority of your time. Otherwise sitting at home and consuming media is a quick painless way to die soon.

I agree, but these old timers need to retire from public office and find another activity. Maybe tending to a garden? Model airplanes? Computers? Fishing?

My problem is these politicans are making decisions for Americans, ands they aren't able to function. Its time to leave the reigns to younger politicans. Old age is going to happen to ALL of us sooner or later.
 
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nakedfrog

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Retirement at any age is a bad idea unless you have a routine or activities you can do and not be idle for a majority of your time. Otherwise sitting at home and consuming media is a quick painless way to die soon.
I just commented to her that I'd realized that she was old enough that she could retire now if she wanted, I'm confident she's got other ways to fill her time when she decides to. I should badger her into finally writing a book when she does.
 
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Muse

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Yeah, my mom just turned 68 and is still a competent programmer and in good physical shape, she could easily retire if she wanted, when I asked about it she said at this point her job is basically like a hobby that pays very well (she did over 20 years in the military too, so she's already well-set for retirement).
I know a some older ladies who do very well programming. Really smart, talented, exceptional people.
 

sportage

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Retirement at any age is a bad idea unless you have a routine or activities you can do and not be idle for a majority of your time. Otherwise sitting at home and consuming media is a quick painless way to die soon.
Awww, you're just jealous.
Thats like telling me that the generic brand is as good as the name brand. I don't fall for that one either.
 

Perknose

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They all need to retire. Pelozi (sic)., Mitch, Biden, and Trump. Totally out of touch with today's economic climate.
Says the "wet behind his ears" twerp, lumping the best in with the worst solely based on chronological age, a twerp whose grasp of politics and sociology is so shallow a walk through the ocean of his soul would scarcely get your feet wet.
 

Perknose

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Thats like telling me that the generic brand is as good as the name brand. I don't fall for that one either.
Classic you, Bub. Sometimes a generic brand is 100% as good as the name brand because it comes from the same damn factory. Be it the grocery aisle or politics, please learn to discriminate when making your pronunciamentos.
 

ivwshane

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I agree, but these old timers need to retire from public office and find another activity. Maybe tending to a garden? Model airplanes? Computers? Fishing?

My problem is these politicans are making decisions for Americans, ands they aren't able to function. Its time to leave the reigns to younger politicans. Old age is going to happen to ALL of us sooner or later.

I agree. The problem is that we all don’t age the same. Old people deserve representation too unless we want to stop taxing after people reach a certain age and not allow them to vote or be a politician at the federal level.

Obviously the fix is to vote. If it’s hard to vote out incumbents because of campaign costs then that’s a separate issue.
 
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