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Indus

Lifer
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Why didn't you put Rashida Tlaib or Ilhan Omar? They don't like Jews and support terrorists that don't like Jews.

They don't support Israel committing terrorism and land invasions.. big difference between not liking jews and supporting terrorists.
 
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brycejones

Lifer
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What did Australia do that caused this guy to go to another country to shoot up mosques? What made mass murder more difficult there?
 

Vic

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There’s a ton of conspiracy for sure but the underlying feeling of persecution is understandable. It’s become culturally acceptable to demonize people based on skin color. Happens every day in politics, the media, here on this forum... There’s not a solution, it’s just the way society is in 2019. Social media and the internet exacerbates it and makes it a global phenomenom.

I’m not defending this POS at all and hope he rots in prison for the rest of his life.

White supremacists complaining that it's become culturally acceptable to demonize people based on skin color.

Fuck off.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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I very much disagree that there is nothing we can do about the underlying issues. Those issues historically had been getting better. That means there is something that happened during those times.

You fight back against conspiracy through discussion and reason. You will not get a win every time, but the long run you will. Look at the flat earth guys that spend a ton of money testing flat earth to be proved wrong.

I'm listening. What has changed? Why are they getting worse all of a sudden?

The answer is because there has always been a chorus of voices shouting lots of different things, most of the time we keep the problematic voices small, but recently we gave a bullhorn to a particularly shitty one. Society reflects that voices we amplify.
 

Vic

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Bullshit. The notion that white people are persecuted in New Zealand or the US is alt-right garbage.
The 'persecution' that he's complaining about is that it has become culturally UNacceptable to demonize people based on skin color. That's a bad thing for white supremacists or other racist trash, whose entire identity is built based upon demonizing people based on skin color. They feel persecuted because when they get shamed when they do that, and because of that identity thing, that leads them to falsely believe that they were victims of racism.
Look at white supremacy... their express agenda is to forcibly eliminate and/or oppress all non-whites from/in their countries, yet they use the cute little slogan, "It's ok to be white." That says it all.
 
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What did Australia do that caused this guy to go to another country to shoot up mosques? What made mass murder more difficult there?

He didnt want to put in the effort designing a knife launcher. What a loser this/these guys are.

Thanks eskimospy for the knife launcher bit
 
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Indus

Lifer
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I read the first 10 pages of the shooters manifesto. It can be best described as the guy wetting himself

 

realibrad

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I'm listening. What has changed? Why are they getting worse all of a sudden?

The answer is because there has always been a chorus of voices shouting lots of different things, most of the time we keep the problematic voices small, but recently we gave a bullhorn to a particularly shitty one. Society reflects that voices we amplify.


A few things. The recent uptick starts with 9/11. That put the US into a recession which drove down the demand for cheap immigrant labor. It also stirred up more anti race feelings of some groups (not all, some saw a boost). Then, the US started to go into the Middle East. In doing so, it destabilized the area creating a vacuum for extremest to fill which further destabilized the region. Then, the developed countries around the world started to go into a recession from the housing crisis. This again drove down the demand for immigrant labor, but, also drove down the aid to the Middle East which further caused issues in the region. At the same time, we had record low birth rates of groups that were historically in power.

Then, the world started coming out of the recession. The Middle East was still a cluster and getting worse. That pressure drove people out of places like Syria and pulled them to places in Europe where demand for cheep labor was going up. Because of the aforementioned low birth rates, the labor void was being filled by the immigrants in Europe which came from the Middle East area.

So now you have a huge influx of people being displaced that have been dealing with violence for a long time. You also have a big shift in culture as more people from a different culture move in. You then have competition for labor for low skilled people. You combine all of this and you see massive issues in Europe.

That is a far better answer than Trump gaining power. Your answer is horrible at explaining things outside of the US, and, even then it falls flat.

So, you were not listening...
 

pmv

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Again, that does not disagree with what I have said. What I am pushing back against is Trump being seen as the majority of the issue here, when clearly he should not be. We have larger underlying problems not only here in the US, but, around the world. I do not see any real focus on those issues, but instead the focus is on the symbols.

So while removing symbols needs to happen, I worry that people will think that once they are gone all is solved. Much like electing Obama made people complacent to many issues.

I think it does disagree with what you said, if only with the word 'far' in your earlier post.

I do, I think, agree with your final sentences here.
 

pmv

Lifer
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You fight back against conspiracy through discussion and reason. You will not get a win every time, but the long run you will. Look at the flat earth guys that spend a ton of money testing flat earth to be proved wrong.

Isn't that a bit of a leap-of-faith? There are many past occasions when we did not achieve a 'win' and the results of that were beyond catastrophic.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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Again, that does not disagree with what I have said. What I am pushing back against is Trump being seen as the majority of the issue here, when clearly he should not be. We have larger underlying problems not only here in the US, but, around the world. I do not see any real focus on those issues, but instead the focus is on the symbols.

So while removing symbols needs to happen, I worry that people will think that once they are gone all is solved. Much like electing Obama made people complacent to many issues.

What is your solution to this real world problem? Constantly pointing out that Trump isn't the entire problem gets us nowhere.

You see, we can do something about Trump. And Trump clearly is contributing to this problem. We can't do anything about Islamophobes and other hate mongers in foreign countries. Except that some of them may well be inspired by Trump. Like this one.
 

realibrad

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I think it does disagree with what you said, if only with the word 'far' in your earlier post.

I do, I think, agree with your final sentences here.

Why? As I said, all the bad things that Trump has done were around before him. That is true in the US as well as around the world. So why would it be incorrect to say that Trump is a symptom far more than the cause of the problem?
 

realibrad

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Isn't that a bit of a leap-of-faith? There are many past occasions when we did not achieve a 'win' and the results of that were beyond catastrophic.

Its not a leap of faith as we have seen it work. There are far more examples of catastrophic results from people not talking and trying to work things out.

We currently have two tools to fight with. Words or weapons. Words sometimes fail at getting a peaceful outcome. Weapons almost never stop violence.
 

VRAMdemon

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Lol..So we have people that will state that Trump and his rhetoric is part of the problem, but will post reply after reply stating that Trump and his rhetoric isn't really part of the problem?!
 
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Vic

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That’s not true
Like I said, it's a bad thing for white supremacists or other racist trash, whose entire identity is built based upon demonizing people based on skin color. They feel horribly persecuted because they can't speak "The Truth" about the "inferiority" of other races. Which is why they claim to be victims of racism even when it's other whites condemning their racism.
 
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realibrad

Lifer
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What is your solution to this real world problem? Constantly pointing out that Trump isn't the entire problem gets us nowhere.

You see, we can do something about Trump. And Trump clearly is contributing to this problem. We can't do anything about Islamophobes and other hate mongers in foreign countries. Except that some of them may well be inspired by Trump. Like this one.

Again, people elected Obama and then sat back. If people focus too much on the symbol they miss the wider issue. So, if people focus on Trump and then he goes, I believe they will do the same and think they have struck a major blow. Removing Trump is a first step, but, the way people talk is as if its the biggest step and its clearly not.

So, that is why I don't tell people to not work on removing Trump. What I do is to make sure that people realize that the issue is bigger than Trump so that when he is gone people don't stop working.
 
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