News Mosque shooting in Christchurch, New Zealand - At least 49 dead

[pmv]

I think insofar as s0me0nesmind1 has any point at all, it's simply the usual one that the full-on-fascist right has some elements of quasi 'socialist' thinking within it. That's always been the case, from the Strasser brothers to Mosely. Hitler and Mussolini both used those elements to attract working-class support (though Hitler then murdered them all when they became an obstacle to gaining the support of the capitalist and aristocrat classes).

But it doesn't mean much, because what those guys occasionally might _say_ and what they functionally _are_ are two quite different things. And those same elements are very clearly present in the increasingly mainstream Trumpian right, especially in the US. The current global climate seems to be all about the right moving in that direction, partly as a concequence of their own previous 'free-market' obsessions. Its obvious where the potential support for the racist far right is now, and it's not within 'the left'.

I think it's a horrible irony that the neo-liberal movement was partly motivated by the reaction against the totalitarianism of the '30s, embracing an obsession with pure 'free markets', supposedly as a means to avoid that happening again...only for that very free-market fixation (which rapidly morphed from an opposition to communism to a war on social-democracy) to lead directly to a resurgance of the very thing they thought they were averting.

 

[twjr]

He's been trolling since he entered the thread. It just took a couple of posts for him to find the right bait. The first ones didn't get much, if any, reaction so he just fell back on the "he's not really a right winger" talking point that's being so heavily promoted right now. That one usually gets a good reaction no matter when/where it's used.

Mmm yes. Automatic weapons and accurate media reporting. I should have seen it earlier.

 

[twjr]

If you want a link to a place where Trump supporting conservatives are celebrating this, just ask and I'll be more than happy to PM you one. Well, actually some of them aren't exactly celebrating the shooting since they believe the shooter didn't finish the job by going through the side rooms in the mosque. These are guys who will console another member when a pet dies and they are reveling in this.

But anyway, genuine Fox-loving conservatives who are enjoying this shooting to various degrees are but a request away. Oh, and there's more than one link to shitholes like these.

ETA: Here's a taste from a good Trump-loving conservative in Michigan:



I laugh at the idea of this moron having the attention span to read that shitpost of a manifesto. This post is mild compared to many other conservatives there who have no problem being very expressive about this. There are a few trying to talk sense to these guys but they are badly outnumbered by the haters.

Before he got himself banned earlier in the thread Thrashed didn't hide his joy either.

 

[whm1974]

Before he got himself banned earlier in the thread Thrashed didn't hide his joy either.

I can not see how anyone can take any joy, let along great enjoyment of the massacre of others, especially innocent children.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Mmm yes. Automatic weapons and accurate media reporting. I should have seen it earlier.

Bingo. Along with 'any pictures of the perps'? Pictures? wtf?

But it *always* ends up with either 'crazy' or 'really a leftist'. And, occasionally, both if they can manage the weave.

 

[KMFJD]

Please tell me this is not real, right? RIGHT? I don't care where he is, his color or language there is no place for this kind of BS in the world. This is 2019, to quote Bill Pullman "We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore"

Others appear to be upset with his comments as well

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106773677616488448

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106780625904623616

released by the police as well, no charges

 

[twjr]

I can not see how anyone can take any joy, let along great enjoyment of the massacre of others, especially innocent children.

Yeah I don't know what to say. They're not right.

 

[twjr]

Others appear to be upset with his comments as well

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106773677616488448

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106780625904623616

Anning got what he deserved there. I wonder if there will be some charges laid from that video due to excessive force to restrain the kid.

 

[DrDoug]

In case there are any more confusion about the shooter being right or left, Australia's PM had this to say:

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison rushed to condemn Anning’s statement, writing on Twitter that “remarks by Senator Fraser Anning blaming the murderous attacks by a violent, right-wing, extremist terrorist in New Zealand on immigration are disgusting. Those views have no place in Australia, let alone the Australian Parliament.”

From the former Australian PM:

Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull said Anning is a “disgrace to the Senate, and what is worse, by spreading hatred and turning Australians against each other, he is doing exactly what the terrorists want.”

This guy spreading hatred and turning Australians against one another sounds just like our President and the Republicans in the House and Senate here. One more note is that Rush "Send me a pool boy and some Oxycontin" Limbaugh is floating the story that the attacker was a leftist out to make conservatives look bad. Another line going around the fevered swamps on the right is that John Podesta was in NZ five days before the attack, meaning you guess what... Conservatives will never take responsibility for their misdeeds, it's just not in them to do so as it would require honesty, humility and integrity to do so. It will always be the fault of others out to make them look bad.

What they don't realize is that they don't need a bit of help to look bad, they're doing a fine job of it themselves.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I figured they'd just say the whole thing is a false flag. The video was all actors.

But then he did helpfully call himself an "ECO-fascist." That's all the cover they need to claim he's a leftist.

You’re missing the false flag claims right before your eyes. It’s the “he’s really a leftist masquerading as a rightie to make them look bad” argument. It’s already all over the place, including here.

 

[twjr]

In case there are any more confusion about the shooter being right or left, Australia's PM had this to say:



From the former Australian PM:



This guy spreading hatred and turning Australians against one another sounds just like our President and the Republicans in the House and Senate here. One more note is that Rush "Send me a pool boy and some Oxycontin" Limbaugh is floating the story that the attacker was a leftist out to make conservatives look bad. Another line going around the fevered swamps on the right is that John Podesta was in NZ five days before the attack, meaning you guess what... Conservatives will never take responsibility for their misdeeds, it's just not in them to do so as it would require honesty, humility and integrity to do so. It will always be the fault of others out to make them look bad.

What they don't realize is that they don't need a bit of help to look bad, they're doing a fine job of it themselves.

Other than soundbites, thankfully Anning is less than a bit player in Australian politics. He received only 19 first preference votes in the federal election and only made it in because one of the other members of his party was found ineligible due to a constitutional issue. He then abandoned the party he was representing before getting into Parliament and sat as independent. Then joined another party and was promptly sacked for being too racist. The bloke is a complete joke.

 

[Mai72]

AFAIK, Genghis Kahn was not blood thirsty. He didn't just kill people out of blood lust or some vendetta against others. He was a conqueror. If people didn't cooperate with him, he could be ruthless with them. If they cooperated, they would benefit. He expanded trade pretty much everywhere he went. His beginnings were entirely modest. His subsisting rural family was ravaged by cruel invaders and he barely survived. His story is quite interesting/fascinating. This is a great read: Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World.

"The name Genghis Khan often conjures the image of a relentless, bloodthirsty barbarian on horseback leading a ruthless band of nomadic warriors in the looting of the civilized world. But the surprising truth is that Genghis Khan was a visionary leader whose conquests joined backward Europe with the flourishing cultures of Asia to trigger a global awakening, an unprecedented explosion of technologies, trade, and ideas."

THanks man. Genghis has always fascinated me. I believe over 10% of Mongolia has Genghis DNA in them.

 

[twjr]

THanks man. Genghis has always fascinated me. I believe over 10% of Mongolia has Genghis DNA in them.

Off topic though it is, I think it's some 10% of the Mongol Empire. He spread his seed far and wide.

 

[yllus]

This is the kind of shit that gets aired in the open today that enable and encourage these psychopaths:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106676502844854272

 

[umbrella39]

As per usual Trump will not call this what it is and embraces and cheers when brown people are murdered. Typical of him and his supporters.

 

[mikeymikec]

This is the kind of shit that gets aired in the open today that enable and encourage these psychopaths:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106676502844854272

Fuuuck, I hadn't even heard that particular one before.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Chelsea Clinton getting eaten by her own, glorious!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106733607811497984

 

[greatnoob]

No surprise right wing fucktards (read: Trump cocksuckers like the the 3 in this thread) are praising the right-wing, white nationalist and disgraced kid abuser Fraser Anning for writing an alarmingly tonedeaf and unsympathetic letter victim blaming Muslims for the shooting.
The_Donald naturally also (in other words, "alt-left terrorists and fascists") are blaming Muslims for this..... attack on Muslims. Somebody tell me again which party T_D affiliates themselves with. Are they conservatives or liberals? Which party did they vote for?

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/b1czmd

I see a whole lot of agreement, victim blaming and excuse making yet very little to none condemnation of the right wing murderer from Donald Trump's mindless minions. Can somebody please tell me why that might be the case?

(863 votes) My jaw just kept dropping further and further as I read that. Such truth spoken with no effs given.

(88 votes) Islam is a violent ideology. Change my mind while we hold a Draw Mohammed contest.

Okay leftists, go ahead and scream "Not all Muslims" in your most un-ironic voices.

Someone with the guts to tell the truth and risk the evil fascist fatwa of these monsters.

If Australia didn't have such excellent, tough immigration policies and strong borders, I'd migrate there.

Islam command killing inoccent people

Deport the muslims to keep them safe

God bless and protect this man and his loved ones. The truth on this subject is never well received.

Yeah I couldn’t have done it any better. What a fucking intelligent, but savage beat down.

This guy dropping some truth that's going to piss off so many people. I like it

Wow finally someone said what I have been saying. Although, in this instance, they were victims but I will not bow down to a deep state effort to get us to cater again to muslims and gun grabbers.

What a wise and beautiful woman!!!

That's a good thing in Australia, right?

Because that wise and beautiful woman right there? That wise and beautiful woman is telling the truth...

Clearly this is an example of the violent left's hatred of Muslims right @s0me0nesmind1? You disingenuous, weaselly little prick. We can all see past through your concern trolling and failed attempts to deflect blame away from your base of white nationalists.

 

[VRAMdemon]

The killer flashed the alt right OK sign in court. The same one employed by some Trump supporters.

https://twitter.com/josh_emerson/sta...117893637?s=21

https://twitter.com/wheelswordsmith/...997837312?s=21

The murderous lump of garbage in human form behind the massacre stated a goal was to sow division and inflame Left Vs. Right division. When a terrorist tells you he is going to do something so that the reactions he expects will fulfill his agenda, most rational people from the left or the right would refuse to play along.

It also seems to be a goal of Rush Limbaugh

Limbaugh : "There's an ongoing theory that the shooter himself may in fact be a leftist who writes the manifesto and then goes out and performs the deed purposely to smear his political enemies."

Because of course he'd say something like that...

 

[UglyCasanova]

No surprise right wing fucktards (read: Trump cocksuckers like the the 3 in this thread) are praising the right-wing, white nationalist and disgraced kid abuser Fraser Anning for writing an alarmingly tonedeaf and unsympathetic letter victim blaming Muslims for the shooting.
The_Donald naturally also (in other words, "alt-left terrorists and fascists") are blaming Muslims for this..... attack on Muslims. Somebody tell me again which party T_D affiliates themselves with. Are they conservatives or liberals? Which party did they vote for?

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/b1czmd

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Show me the posts in this thread where somebody supported him. Who were those three again?

 

[greatnoob]

Show me the posts in this thread where somebody supported him. Who were those three again?

Don't play coy you disingenuous cvnt. Feel free to respond to the rest of my post that you quoted.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Don't play coy you disingenuous cvnt. Feel free to respond to the rest of my post that you quoted.

The rest of your post is just a bunch of reddit posts form the Donald. There’s not much more to say. I’m way more interested in the three posters here you said supported that guy. Show me, or are you being dishonest?

 

[DrDoug]

Chelsea Clinton getting eaten by her own, glorious!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106733607811497984

It's interesting to see what gives you great joy; it's the same things that give conservatives great joy. That's why you suck as a person, just like them.

The rest of your post is just a bunch of reddit posts form the Donald. There’s not much more to say. I’m way more interested in the three posters here you said supported that guy. Show me, or are you being dishonest?

This thread isn't about you and satisfying your demands so you can drive yet another thread off topic. The kind of people you are in here supporting just about every day are enjoying this shooting. Why don't you go join them?

Fuck you suck.

 

[UglyCasanova]

The killer flashed the alt right OK sign in court.

The dude circle fingered the world and you looked. He’s an evil, violent....troll essentially. It wouldn’t suprise me if the reason he did it was to stir shit with people who think it truly is an alt right white power symbol. The guy seems to eat live breathe internet and his massacre is laden with internet memes. It’s twisted in bizarre.

 

[greatnoob]

The rest of your post is just a bunch of reddit posts form the Donald. There’s not much more to say. I’m way more interested in the three posters here you said supported that guy. Show me, or are you being dishonest?

Where did I say that? Work on your reading comprehension skills, retard:

No surprise right wing fucktards (read: Trump cocksuckers like the the 3 in this thread)

I'll spoonfeed that sentence for you. That is read as:
right-wing fucktards -> in other words "Trump cocksuckers" like the 3 other users (including yourself)

Maybe you should learn to read instead of jumping the gun and making yourself look like an idiot like you always seem to do.

Care to answer my rhetorical questions while you're at it? We can see your attempts at derailing the thread.