Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: DougK62
Originally posted by: scottish144
Of course. This is exactly why ID was rejected by the scientific community. However, I believe that atheism is stupid. Skepticism (what I follow) is the belief of the POSSIBILITY that any number of gods may exist. God, Allah, Vishnu, and others may exist/co-exist/not exist. However, I consider the probability of their existance to be extremely low. In short: Stating that something has a low probability of existing is fine, but stating that something outright DOESN'T exist is stupid.
So you're agnostic.
:most logical, by empirical evidence. That being said, I am Christian. Not everything can be proven by scientific means.
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: DougK62
Originally posted by: scottish144
Of course. This is exactly why ID was rejected by the scientific community. However, I believe that atheism is stupid. Skepticism (what I follow) is the belief of the POSSIBILITY that any number of gods may exist. God, Allah, Vishnu, and others may exist/co-exist/not exist. However, I consider the probability of their existance to be extremely low. In short: Stating that something has a low probability of existing is fine, but stating that something outright DOESN'T exist is stupid.
So you're agnostic.
:most logical, by empirical evidence. That being said, I am Christian. Not everything can be proven by scientific means.
Same thing could be said about the easter bunny? You do believe in the EB right?
Originally posted by: DVK916
Originally posted by: mugs
Because you make it so damn easy! You post a thread about intelligence and you display none!
:disgust:
Originally posted by: DVK916
I am not close minded, if I was then I would be a theist.
Originally posted by: kranky
DVK916, have you ever thought about why you are such a militant atheist? I've seen you post in every religious-oriented thread, and start your own. For a topic that - according to your own beliefs - is complete fantasy, you have a intense interest in discussing it.
Were you raised in a religious home and later rejected those beliefs? Or were you yourself religious at one time? I'm trying to understand why you post so often on this topic when it apparently has no meaning to you.
Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I believe in God and I'm intelligent. Also, I have the benefit of having seen some crazy sh!t such that I would have to not believe my own perception of reality to not believe in the supernatural.
<-- undergraduate class valedictorian
<-- Ph.D. chemical engineering student 3.8 GPA
AND...my thesis research is in condensed matter physics which is a completely different field of study from chemical engineering so I have had to give myself a ph.D. physicist education on my own in addition to taking hard chemical engineering courses and doing experimental and theoretical search.
A lot of very famous scientists of past and present believed or believe in God.
You gotta believe this universe came from somewhere or something...do to something far, far beyond our scientific understanding -- i.e. a definition of 'supernatural'.
All I know is there is law of physics called the law of conservation of mass and energy...well, we have a lot of mass and energy now. Where did it all come from? And don't tell me "Big Bang"...that is only a mechanism which explains our universe's present state. Where did the matter that existed pre Big-Bang in that 'singularity' come from? There is an endless regression of logical questions concerning the origin of the universe. Ultimately, one has to step outside "natural law" to answer that 'most interesting' question.
There is no way to answer the "Mass & Energy origin" question without resorting to descriptions of supernatural phenomena. And, yes, I classify the theory of chronons and alternate dimensions as supernatural and no physicists can prove me wrong.
BTW -- to P&N with this.
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I believe in God and I'm intelligent. Also, I have the benefit of having seen some crazy sh!t such that I would have to not believe my own perception of reality to not believe in the supernatural.
<-- undergraduate class valedictorian
<-- Ph.D. chemical engineering student 3.8 GPA
AND...my thesis research is in condensed matter physics which is a completely different field of study from chemical engineering so I have had to give myself a ph.D. physicist education on my own in addition to taking hard chemical engineering courses and doing experimental and theoretical search.
A lot of very famous scientists of past and present believed or believe in God.
You gotta believe this universe came from somewhere or something...do to something far, far beyond our scientific understanding -- i.e. a definition of 'supernatural'.
All I know is there is law of physics called the law of conservation of mass and energy...well, we have a lot of mass and energy now. Where did it all come from? And don't tell me "Big Bang"...that is only a mechanism which explains our universe's present state. Where did the matter that existed pre Big-Bang in that 'singularity' come from? There is an endless regression of logical questions concerning the origin of the universe. Ultimately, one has to step outside "natural law" to answer that 'most interesting' question.
There is no way to answer the "Mass & Energy origin" question without resorting to descriptions of supernatural phenomena. And, yes, I classify the theory of chronons and alternate dimensions as supernatural and no physicists can prove me wrong.
BTW -- to P&N with this.
Classic
Most people and scientists believed in some form of god.
Modern Man
Pascal was a Christian.
Einstein was a Pantheist.
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Plus, many theories including the Big Bang originated from Christian scientists.
Originally posted by: DVK916
Originally posted by: kranky
DVK916, have you ever thought about why you are such a militant atheist? I've seen you post in every religious-oriented thread, and start your own. For a topic that - according to your own beliefs - is complete fantasy, you have a intense interest in discussing it.
Were you raised in a religious home and later rejected those beliefs? Or were you yourself religious at one time? I'm trying to understand why you post so often on this topic when it apparently has no meaning to you.
No I was raised Buddhist, and was a practicing Buddhist for most of my life, until I realize how stupid it was.
Also what is a militant atheist. I am not some extreme atheist.
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: DVK916
Originally posted by: kranky
DVK916, have you ever thought about why you are such a militant atheist? I've seen you post in every religious-oriented thread, and start your own. For a topic that - according to your own beliefs - is complete fantasy, you have a intense interest in discussing it.
Were you raised in a religious home and later rejected those beliefs? Or were you yourself religious at one time? I'm trying to understand why you post so often on this topic when it apparently has no meaning to you.
No I was raised Buddhist, and was a practicing Buddhist for most of my life, until I realize how stupid it was.
Also what is a militant atheist. I am not some extreme atheist.
For our local ATOT Genious Atheist here :roll:
Infidels.org
Militant Athiesm, ignorant too
More mainstream Atheists
Check those out if you want to. I like reading it every once in a while. Still Christian though.
Originally posted by: DVK916
Einstein was agnostic at best, and likely was a full atheist.
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: DVK916
Einstein was agnostic at best, and likely was a full atheist.
"God does not play dice."
Yeah, sounds like something an atheist would say...
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: DVK916
Einstein was agnostic at best, and likely was a full atheist.
"God does not play dice."
Yeah, sounds like something an atheist would say...
Originally posted by: DVK916
Originally posted by: kranky
DVK916, have you ever thought about why you are such a militant atheist? I've seen you post in every religious-oriented thread, and start your own. For a topic that - according to your own beliefs - is complete fantasy, you have a intense interest in discussing it.
Were you raised in a religious home and later rejected those beliefs? Or were you yourself religious at one time? I'm trying to understand why you post so often on this topic when it apparently has no meaning to you.
No I was raised Buddhist, and was a practicing Buddhist for most of my life, until I realize how stupid it was.
Also what is a militant atheist. I am not some extreme atheist.
What I would have said had I felt like wasting energy on a troll. :thumbsup:Originally posted by: AMDZen
I'd say the article is illogical.
Most intellectuals are agnostic. There is a big difference between aetheist and agnostic. Its no more logical to think you can KNOW god doesn't exist, then it is to have the same naive attitude the religious zealots do when they claim to KNOW god does. What makes those religious people even more ignorant is the fact they believe to know exactly what god expects of us, on top of that blind faith in his/her/its existance. Sure, I know a lot of very smart people who believe that there is a god, or some higher being - but they don't usually follow one of the simple faiths found in our cultures around the world - in that they may subscribe to some things in one religion and some in another. Overall, they realize that all religions are going to be wrong at least some of the time.
I won't deny that there isn't a god, but I don't necessarily believe there is one either. There are times when I believe there has to be a higher being, and I'm probably right - but that being won't be limited to the singular context I'm using it in. It could have been an entire civilization that created us, or a consciousness consisting of thousands or even millions of individual "consciousness's" or something. I don't pretend to know or understand either way, and frankly that just makes me lose respect for anyone who thinks they do. Whether they're theist's (namely Christians) or Aetheists who believe that there is NO GOD whatsoever. I'm open to the possibility that all gods, spoken of since the dawn of time in human beliefs, exist in some form. I'm not going to say they can't, but chances are if there is one such being - there are several.
Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
Originally posted by: DVK916
I am an open minded person thus an atheist, who can't stand why close minded people thus theist can't look at things logically and see that god doesn't exist.
I think the irony just made my head explode.
Originally posted by: mugs
Because you make it so damn easy! You post a thread about intelligence and you display none!
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: DVK916
Einstein was agnostic at best, and likely was a full atheist.
"God does not play dice."
Yeah, sounds like something an atheist would say...
believe it, he was closer to a deist than actually being religious. u know what they say about atheism, religious folks are atheists towards all other religions and gods except their own.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own ? a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."
"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. The religion which based on experience, which refuses dogmatic. If there's any religion that would cope the scientific needs it will be Buddhism."
on there not being a personal god
http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/
futility of prayer
http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/alberteinstein/rel2.html
A child in the sixth grade in a Sunday School in New York City, with the encouragement of her teacher, wrote to Einstein in Princeton on 19 January I936 asking him whether scientists pray, and if so what they pray for. Einstein replied as follows on 24 January 1936:
I have tried to respond to your question as simply as I could. Here is my answer.
Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural Being.
However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in Nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research.
But, on the other hand, every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe -- a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.
It is worth mentioning that this letter was written a decade after the advent of Heisenberg's prin ciple of indeterminacy and the probabilistic interpretation of quantum mechanics with its denial of strict determinism.