The ones they did borrow sound a LOT better than the originals too. It was a common practice in that era. In todays 1 million lawyer SUE army, this type of behavior is unthinkable, but back then everyone did it. Half of Eric Clapton's and the Rolling Stone's catolog are remakes as well, but nobody cares about that.
If a band has sold millions I don't see how they can be over rated. However, a band can over rate themselves. I think Oasis said they were better than the Beatles. I'd consider that to be over rated. Dave Grohl saying Nirvana was the best band ever is over rating Nirvana...
what is it with people that are apparently unaware of all of the work that U2 put out for the Joshua Tree and before? They were fucking amazing.
threads like this pretty much spawn nothing but troll posts, anyway. There's always an argument for how great bands can be shitty, and shitty bands can be tolerable.
...except for The Doors. They are completely overrated.
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Anyone who mentions a band like the Beatles or U2 needs to be shot in the face with a deer rifle repeatedly because Coldplay is absolutely the most overrated band ever.
In all seriousness, anyone who says Led Zeppelin is a complete and utter idiot. Even if you don't believe they are greatest band ever, which I believe they are, it is absolute nonsense to say they are overrated.
You can say that, but you would be wrong. I'm not saying they are a bad band, they did some fun and maybe interesting stuff (they only have one song I like though) but you are letting your enjoyment of the band cloud the debate, which is understandable, but faulty and actually weakens your stand.
They are a good band, maybe a great band, but many people proclaim them as the greatest band ever and the progenitors of everything hard rock/metal, which is one of the main reasons they are overrated; this does not even get into the large amount of borrowing/stealing they did.
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Even if they're overrated, they're not even close to "most overrated band ever" like some morons are claiming in this thread. They are much better than popular bands of the same time era like the Doors. Fact: John Bonham was an incredible drummer and one of the best ever, yet LZ is the most overrated band ever? 404 Not Found.
The Doors are much more overrated. That is a band I cannot even even understand people liking. Not sure what having a good drummer has to do with anything though. :hmm:
KT
Well, if a band has the best drummer in the history of rock/metal then how can they be the most overrated? Talent begets status. If you're the best ever, it's impossible to ever be considered "overrated". That'd be like calling M.Jordan, Gretzky, or Ted Williams "overrated". And Bonham was clearly one of the best to ever drum.
Dave Matthews Band. Okay first off they are NOT and jam band that some fuck heads think that honestly compare DMB w/ Dead - I've been to over 20 Grateful Dead concerts and *that* was a jam band. Second what's up with that middle linebacker that plays fiddle. Not only does he suck at that he only plays a quarter the time and takes center stage all the time. Next is EMO Dave himself. Bitch sings nothing but misery and sorrow and sounds like he has the hick ups all the time. What's your take?
Well, take Yngwie Malmsteen for example. One of the great electric guitarists ever, but eventually became just a poor parody of himself.
what is it with people that are apparently unaware of all of the work that U2 put out for the Joshua Tree and before? They were fucking amazing.
threads like this pretty much spawn nothing but troll posts, anyway. There's always an argument for how great bands can be shitty, and shitty bands can be tolerable.
...except for The Doors. They are completely overrated.
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Well, if a band has the best drummer in the history of rock/metal then how can they be the most overrated? Talent begets status. If you're the best ever, it's impossible to ever be considered "overrated". That'd be like calling M.Jordan, Gretzky, or Ted Williams "overrated". And Bonham was clearly one of the best to ever drum.
You can say that, but you would be wrong. I'm not saying they are a bad band, they did some fun and maybe interesting stuff (they only have one song I like though) but you are letting your enjoyment of the band cloud the debate, which is understandable, but faulty and actually weakens your stand.
They are a good band, maybe a great band, but many people proclaim them as the greatest band ever and the progenitors of everything hard rock/metal, which is one of the main reasons they are overrated; this does not even get into the large amount of borrowing/stealing they did.
KT
an overrated band doesn't necessarily mean it sucks. Unless you dislike said band.
Nirvana is seriously overrated. So is U2, Oasis and KISS.
Since when was John Bonham the best drummer ever? Not even the best drummer of his era. Perhaps the most overrated musician to ever pick up an instrument. He's good, but no god, but that how fanboys perceive him.
Danny Carey makes Mr. Bonham look like Nick Mason.
Bonham is widely considered to be one of the greatest drummers in the history of rock music by other musicians and commentators in the industry. In 2007 Stylus magazine rated Bonham number 1 on its list of the 50 greatest rock drummers,[2] as did the online music magazine Gigwise.com in 2008.[4] Bonham was ranked at no. 1 on Classic Rock's 2005 list of "50 Greatest Drummers in Rock".[22] Similarly, Modern Drummer magazine describes him as "the greatest rock 'n' roll drummer in history."[3] In February 2010, John Bonham was also voted the best drummer on Rolling Stone magazine, beating Neil Peart of Rush,[23] who was himself heavily influenced by Bonham.[24][25] In September 2008, Bonham topped the Blabbermouth.net's list of "Rockers fans want brought back to life", ahead of Elvis Presley and Freddie Mercury.[26] At the end of the BBC Two series "I'm in a Rock 'n' Roll Band!" on 5th June 2010, John Bonham was named the best drummer of all time.[27]
John Bonham has been described by Allmusic as one of the most important, well-known and influential drummers in rock.[1] Many rock drummers were influenced by John Bonham's work with Led Zeppelin, including Tony Thompson, Dave Grohl, Tommy Lee, Peter Criss, Stewart Copeland, Mike Portnoy, and Chad Smith.[32] Several of these drummers have testified to Bonham's influence, such as Roger Taylor of Queen, who stated:
The greatest Rock`n`Roll drummer of all time was John Bonham who did things that nobody had ever even thought possible before with the drum kit. And also the greatest sound out of his drums - they sounded enormous, and just one bass drum. So fast on it that he did more with one bass drum than most people could do with three, if they could manage them. And he had technique to burn and fantastic power and tremendous feel for rock`n`roll.[33]
Dave Grohl of Foo Fighters has said:
John Bonham played the drums like someone who didn't know what was going to happen next- like he was teetering on the edge of a cliff. No one has come close to that since, and I don't think anybody ever will. I think he will forever be the greatest drummer of all time.[34]
Best. Holiday. Movie. Ever.but...what about KISS saves Santa?D:
Well, if a band has the best drummer in the history of rock/metal then how can they be the most overrated? Talent begets status. If you're the best ever, it's impossible to ever be considered "overrated". That'd be like calling M.Jordan, Gretzky, or Ted Williams "overrated". And Bonham was clearly one of the best to ever drum.
That analogy does not work as they are all individuals and we are discussing groups. Calling the Jordan-era Bulls, or Gretky's Oilers overrated would make more sense, though neither of those teams are overrated.
Joe Satriani is an amazing guitarist and to call him overrated as a guitarist would be ridiculous, but most of his bands/music is terrible.
With all that said I think Bonham is overrated too. There are and have been many better drummers out there.
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Well just the argument that Bonham is the greatest ever means that his band cannot ever be most overrated. Just like Satriani, or even Dave Matthews Band with Tim Reynolds (incredible guitar player) when they tour. There are many bands who possess players who are never in the discussion of greatest ever.
Of course there may be better technical modern drummers than Bonham right now (e.g. Peart/Portnoy), but Bonham is easily the greatest drumming pioneer and was the best in his era. It's like comparing Hank Aaron to Babe Ruth. The fact that modern legends like Portnoy and Peart pay homage to Bonham should make it obvious that Bonham was incredible. Aside from every respected drumming publication ranking Bonham as either the greatest ever or top 3.
I suspect that many of these people posting are pretty young and have no clue what influence Bonham had on drummers in the 70's and 80's.
Indeed. :thumbsup:
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