Most spectacular failure in video card history

[CraKaJaX]

Crossfire gets my vote

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: crazySOB297
I don't think so. I'm sorry but the performance of that card was way too low for anyone. Most nvidia fanboys would even conceit defeat that generation. The fan was loud, but the performance was just flat out horrible.

The 5800U can't compare on modern games because of it's shader limitations. On the games of the time it was much more competitive:

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1821

You are correct in that the useful life of the 5800U was one year due to the shader limitations. I never keep a card more than a year, so for anyone who upgrades annually, the 5800U wasn't as bad as it looks now.

the AA/AF levels between R300 and NV30 aren't directly comparable. the NV30 looks like ass compared to the R300 at the same levels, so you have to pump up the AA/AF on the NV30, which drops the performance.

but, as you're about the biggest fanboy here, you'd overlook that, of course.

 

[biostud]

voodoo since the company is now closed.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
Umm...you forgot the Matrox Parahelia....or whatever its called.

....looking throughout the whole thread, im surprised no one else has mentioned this.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: Chadder007
Umm...you forgot the Matrox Parahelia....or whatever its called.

....looking throughout the whole thread, im surprised no one else has mentioned this.

Yeah..it claimed ridiculous gaming support and IQ..didn't quite live up to its hype.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: Chadder007
Umm...you forgot the Matrox Parahelia....or whatever its called.

....looking throughout the whole thread, im surprised no one else has mentioned this.

Because this is an attempt to "shame" Crossfire, LOL. It's not even a video card, and looks to be perhaps the top or close to it enthusiast overclocker motherboard for the AMD64 platform period...yet somehow derserves rank as "Most spectacular failure in video card history"

Typical overstated, exaggerated nonesense hype from the Rollo.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: rbV5
Typical overstated, exaggerated nonesense hype from the Rollo.

Whats new?

 

[nRollo]

I bought the X800XT PE late last year knowing I would likely be replacing it with SLI,

SLI didn't even exist at that time and still didn't exist when you picked up a vanilla 6800. Likewise you deemed titles like HL2 and Far Cry irrelevant until nVidia started winning thanks to SLI. SLI wasn't even a factor, you just changed your tune when it arrived.

Wrong again BFG.

I bought my X800XT PE on Dec. 14, 2004, long after SLI had been reviewed and was on sale. Just looked up my PayPal receipt for the date.

You only post to me to flame me for BS reasons.

You're running two year old games at high res? Big deal- they still two year old games. It angers you for some reason that I play current games at 19X14 4X8X? Oh noes! I bet they still look better than the lower settings you have to run them at on your hardware?

If I turned on the 16X AF, you'd just switch to something else to mindlessly flame. We don't all have to run things at exactly the same settings you would to be gamers BFG.

You might drop the BS "how many games have you finished lately" babble as well.
I game daily, whether it's hopping into a UT2004 online match for half an hour, or playing a level of one of my many games. You'll have to forgive me for having a life outside of this, but I have a son to raise, other hobbies, a career, a wife, and a home to maintain. I don't have lots of hours long stretches of time to sit down and finish games.

I feel sorry for you.

 

[M0RPH]

R520 and up cards will not have the resolution limitation in Crossfire

Not quite the spectacular failure Rollo is making it out to be, is it?

 

[DRavisher]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
R520 and up cards will not have the resolution limitation in Crossfire

Not quite the spectacular failure Rollo is making it out to be, is it?

In discussions with ATI regarding this drawback to the X8xx Crossfire Edition cards they stressed that they could have made the maximum resolution and refresh rates higher but chose not to in order to support current customers.

lol. They COULD have done it. Pretty darn irrelevant. Of course they could have done it. They could simply release a whole new x8xx line or something. The point is they didn't, and never will.

Anyways this x8xx incarnation of CrossFire is pretty uninteresting anyway, and I don't think anyone thought this limitation would be in R520 cards (now that would be the biggest let-down in video-card history). And what is all this fuss about this being MB technology or some such? It is CLEARLY a part of video-card technology, and as such is completely reasonable to have in this poll.

Edit: Just had to comment on this too (also from the THG article)

We took the opportunity to ask ATI about the reason for implimenting the DVI connecton instead of an internal hardware link like the nVidia product. The company stated that an internal connection would also have alienated existing X8xx series customers. If the new cards had such a link, then the existing cards would not have a way to interface with the new cards. Going forward, ATI felt that a DVI connection was the "best solution for all existing and future card owners."

So basically ATi is saying that they want people to be using R520 together with R420 in crossfire? I just don't see that working. Just imagine all the driver problems and stuff that would cause. Running older, (and if we believe ATi, a completely different arcitechture) together with a brand new, faster, SM3.0 hardware, I just don't see that happening. I rather think ATi just could not do it, or didn't bother implementing the (much better IMO) internal link that nvidia uses.

 

[ronnn]

Yes, the cross fire mb is looking very good - for a run at the speed crown. Guess if it wins the big 3dmark derby - will be hard to call it a failure. But no doubt many people will say the speed crown is unimportant (myself being one actually).

edit: Does anyone really care if the x800 line is xfire compatable? Why put in two cards when one will do?

 

[DRavisher]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Yes, the cross fire mb is looking very good - for a run at the speed crown. Guess if it wins the big 3dmark derby - will be hard to call it a failure. But no doubt many people will say the speed crown is unimportant (myself being one actually).

edit: Does anyone really care if the x800 line is xfire compatable? Why put in two cards when one will do?

I guess that's the big issue. x8xx crossfire is only 'necessary' at high resolutions

And it certainly seems ATi have some pretty nice MBs comming. Will be nice to have more than one (nvidia) chipset designers to choose from for us enthusiasts.

 

[ronnn]

I meant why would you buy a xfire mb and another x850 xtpe - when one gtx or whatever comes along would be preferable in almost any scenario. Of course I would like one of those mbs and I don't want 2 cards. :beer:

 

[mindgam3]

Man future crossfire cards are not going to be limited like the current ones how can crossfire be a failure already its just brand new.. its not even a videocard!!! For some reason reading rollos threads and idiotic responces to basically anything he participates in angers me and makes me want to hunt him down and put a good beatdown on him! lol anyone else share my hate towards Rollo?

 

[blckgrffn]

Well, since the V5 practically killed 3Dfx (along with stiff competition from Nvidia), that gets my vote...

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
5800 U was pretty bad but at this point I'd say Crossfire takes the cake.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Rollo


Wrong again BFG.

I bought my X800XT PE on Dec. 14, 2004, long after SLI had been reviewed and was on sale. Just looked up my PayPal receipt for the date.

You only post to me to flame me for BS reasons.

You're running two year old games at high res? Big deal- they still two year old games. It angers you for some reason that I play current games at 19X14 4X8X? Oh noes! I bet they still look better than the lower settings you have to run them at on your hardware?

Good old tRollo with the childish instigation, over and over and over again. Ad freaking nauseum. Please point out exactly where BFG said that he was jealous of you and your 19X14 SLI gaming?? Oh wait, it was a baseless claim, as usual.

The Rollo formula: make a claim (often an outragous one), defend it to the death, then quietly let the issue die. Years later claim the exact opposite and deny the first claim, blaming everyone else's jealousy, etc.

I thought instigation was a schoolyard tactic, but apparently some adults need to get a rise out of people too.

If I turned on the 16X AF, you'd just switch to something else to mindlessly flame. We don't all have to run things at exactly the same settings you would to be gamers BFG.

What exactly are you talking about here???

You might drop the BS "how many games have you finished lately" babble as well.
I game daily, whether it's hopping into a UT2004 online match for half an hour, or playing a level of one of my many games. You'll have to forgive me for having a life outside of this, but I have a son to raise, other hobbies, a career, a wife, and a home to maintain. I don't have lots of hours long stretches of time to sit down and finish games.

I feel sorry for you.

I hope you feel sorry for the whole world since they don't have as uber l33t a computer as you. Maybe we are the ones who should feel sorry for you because your computer fad seems to be your greatest sense of joy. That and putting everyone down because apparently we are all aspiring to you...

This thread will come under lock and key like most of the others here. Tick tock. :disgust:

 

[Topweasel]

The Biggest Failure specifically was the Voodoo5 6000, Because it was large (wouldn't fit most cases), Loud take your average graphics fan (like the ones on a 6600) mulitply it by 4, Hot (it raised ambient case temps to insane levels), required an external power supply (it was the size of a foot), wouldn't play games in 32bit color (this was a limitation of the VSA 100 right), was never seen on the retail market. While the rest of the Voodoo5 series were good performers for the price they lost the crown and this card was their ticket to taking it back. This was the single most biggest screwup in the Video card market and while it wasn't their only problem created a cascade effect on bringing the company down. They went from Kings of all things graphics related to chapter 11 in 2 graphics cycles.

My Rating
Voodoo5 6000

Savage2000 (As a note this pretty much killed S3 as well)

Geforce 5800U (Although a failure in sales, Nvidia has stated this is what set the 6800 and 7800U in motion, architectually not because of shame like you may want to say )

Crossfire (they are both pretty even with the 5800U but I will give ATI the edge because its delays had litle effect on sales (you can lose sales in a market you were never in) and will easily outlive this res blunder)

Above the 5800U and crossfire, I think the new R520 belongs on this list. The 5800U might not be their failure, but to not learn from it was a huge mistake and I firmly believe the first time it happens is bad enough but to happen a second time is inexcusable. Nvidia didn't get (nor deserved) a free pass with 5800U and just because Nvidia did it doesn't mean ATI should get a free pass either.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
R520 and up cards will not have the resolution limitation in Crossfire

Not quite the spectacular failure Rollo is making it out to be, is it?

That article made no sense because they ended it like this....

According to ATI, this current maximum is necessary to support as many current customers as possible and that the dongle (external cable) would not be replaced any time soon.

Further proof that THG sucks.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: M0RPH
R520 and up cards will not have the resolution limitation in Crossfire

Not quite the spectacular failure Rollo is making it out to be, is it?

That article made no sense because they ended it like this....

According to ATI, this current maximum is necessary to support as many current customers as possible and that the dongle (external cable) would not be replaced any time soon.

Further proof that THG sucks.

What part don't you understand? Current cards (every single X8xx generation card) have the DVI limitation of 1600X1200 @ 60Hz in Crossfire. This is obviously because the cards are already out there so they can't go replacing them all.

All future cards, including every single R5xx series card will not have this problem, however they will still use the clunky dongle cable (something to blame ATI about, not THG).

 

[Kyanzes]

I think the biggest screw up to date is the CrossFire. It's simply illogical. Everyone who has enough money to buy such combo can easily buy higher-end products like the 7800GTX. Also anyone with limited budget simply won't choose this solution. Even a dual-GPU solution would have been better - not that much better, but still better - because at least you wouldn't be forced to get 'the right' mobo for your card. Of course if this whole CrossFire story is nothing else but a marketing call and there is no real producing power behind it (it is not made in huge numbers) then of course it's clever becuase it gives the feeling that ATI is keeping up with its competitor in the dual-GPU arena. If they really plan to make a load of these cards then it's not hard to predict an utter failure. Except of course if they lower the prices considerably.

Edit: of course we still don't know squat about the next-gen cards' performance & capabilities when linked in crossfire.

 

[fstime]

SLI

 

[imported_ST]

Seems many don't remember the good ol' days of video cards: Diamonds, Media Vision, etc.

So here's my nomination for the Diamond Viper based on the Weitek P9100. At the time it was the fastest svga accelerator out there. Unfortunately the video card industry is bleeding edge so others nudge it out of place, so combat this Weitek made its replacement: the P9100....turns out it was nothing but a P9000 with a VGA controller integrated! Oo

2nd nomination: S3 Trio64 and follow on derivatives....HIGHLY disappointing to say the least considering S3 was considered to be one of the top video chip companies.

 

[Turtle 1]

Gentlemen before you call crossfire a failer based on resolution .I think we need another vote on who has 19" or smaller LCDS and CRT's. Basing a products popularioty in this case. Will not come down to a limited res. It will come down to Ultra Performance which CrossFire has a lot of . This is a pure ENTHUSIESTS BOARD . This presentation of Crossfire is aimed directly at the Enthusiests and well be a hugh success. In that area.

My vote TI 4600

 

[KeepItRed]

5800 ULTRA for the pits!