Mother of female jihadist: ‘I gave birth to a monster’

[Indus]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/mother-jihadist-gave-birth-monster-article-1.2448720

A young Siberian woman aged 20 threw away an education and a promising future to join Islamic terrorists, her mother says.

Fatima Dzhafarova, 20, was attending Surgut State University and studying to be a linguist when she was apparently lured away by a fanatic.

"I will simply be beside myself if she takes someone else's life," mom Shakhla Bochkaryova told the Siberian Times. "It's better not to live than to be the mother of a terrorist. You realize what a monster you gave birth to. It is hard for any mother."

Dzhafarova was three months into her college career when the fashion-conscious student stopped returning her mother’s phone calls.

During a visit home in 2013, she told her parents she’d taken up with Islam and refused be part of the family’s New Year’s celebration.

Mid-2014, Bochkaryova, now 41, found out that her daughter had dropped out of school.

“I collected her clothes and belongings, took her home, all without saying a word,” the distraught mom said.

Soon after, a man came calling.

He was 36-year-old Rustam, though he introduced himself as Abdullah. The worried parents didn’t know it then, but he was a recruiter.

Rustam asked Dzhafarova’s parents for permission to marry her — even though he already had three wives who each had three children.

Bochkaryova said no.

“She (my daughter) told me: ‘Our brothers will come and kill those like you, infidels. They'll cut heads with knives. And you know, my heart won't miss a beat.’”

Bochkaryova was scared.

“I looked at her and I could no longer see my child,” she said.

So she chained Dzhafarova to a radiator — but her daughter still managed to escape, fleeing out a third-story window.

Her mother hasn’t seen her since.

After that, police came calling.

The Russian secret service explained that Dzhafarova fled to Moscow and then went on to Syria, Azerbaijan, Turkey and Iraq.

Now, she’s spending her time making pro-terrorist posts on social media.

Recently, she wrote that it was her brothers who “smashed all in Paris” and mocked those who died.

Her anguished mother is resigned to her daughter’s fate.

“If she lives with a recruiter, she already knows too much. They wouldn't let her leave alive. A bullet, that's the price of her life,” she said.

“As painful as it is, I know I will never see her again.”

Sad story but unfortunately this is happening all over the world.. from America to Canada, to Britain, to France, to Germany, to Russia to Australia.

My question is what causes this? Is it just rebellious nature of kids? What draws them to be recruited by such extremists?

Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?

 

[Annisman*]

Very sad indeed, I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with the attention they get. In this world of ever increasing desire to feel important and relevent (posting a thousand selfies on FB and posting about every single detail of your life) it's not hard to see why someone would try to make a name for themselves by selling themselves to the devil.

The desire to feel needed seems to be especially strong in women and of course in the teenage years. It could be that the recruiter fed her a load of crap and she ate it right up. Well, I take that back of course he fed her a load of crap.

 

[Exophase]

This isn't about wanting attention or wanting to be rebellious, this is the power of religion.

Think about it, religions like Islam or Christianity state that there's a God who is all knowing and all powerful who created everything. And this God has revealed his will through people on earth. Everything is in the context of good and evil and the fate of immortal souls and all of mankind. If someone has convinced you of this much then it's not much further to say that God wants you to kill the infidels, and then why would you go against what almighty God wants?

Lots and lots of people throughout human history have found religion very real and compelling. This sort of thing may seem totally bizarre to us now because many people in the first world today only kind of vaguely hold on to religion without really letting it influence anything. But hundred of years ago Jihadist sort of thinking was pretty easily spread in the countries we now call the west.

 

[cubby1223]

This isn't about wanting attention or wanting to be rebellious, this is the power of religion.

Think about it, religions like Islam or Christianity state that there's a God who is all knowing and all powerful who created everything. And this God has revealed his will through people on earth. Everything is in the context of good and evil and the fate of immortal souls and all of mankind. If someone has convinced you of this much then it's not much further to say that God wants you to kill the infidels, and then why would you go against what almighty God wants?

Lots and lots of people throughout human history have found religion very real and compelling. This sort of thing may seem totally bizarre to us now because many people in the first world today only kind of vaguely hold on to religion without really letting it influence anything. But hundred of years ago Jihadist sort of thinking was pretty easily spread in the countries we now call the west.

Everyone who understands religion and religious people please take a step forward. Whoa, not so fast there Exophase

For the most part, everyone stays with the religion they were born into. Changing religion like the person that is this thread's subject, was never normal, not today, not hundreds of years ago. My money is on depression as the cause of the above situation.

 

[Annisman*]

This isn't about wanting attention or wanting to be rebellious, this is the power of religion.

Think about it, religions like Islam or Christianity state that there's a God who is all knowing and all powerful who created everything. And this God has revealed his will through people on earth. Everything is in the context of good and evil and the fate of immortal souls and all of mankind. If someone has convinced you of this much then it's not much further to say that God wants you to kill the infidels, and then why would you go against what almighty God wants?

Lots and lots of people throughout human history have found religion very real and compelling. This sort of thing may seem totally bizarre to us now because many people in the first world today only kind of vaguely hold on to religion without really letting it influence anything. But hundred of years ago Jihadist sort of thinking was pretty easily spread in the countries we now call the west.

Where in the Bible does it tell me to kill infidels?

God has revealed his will to us through the Bible and his son Jesus, not any man here on Earth. If my pastor told me to kill an infidel I'd say that's not biblical. If he told me to hate my enemy I'd say to him what did Jesus say ?

There is no doubt people using using bits of the Bible to warp and twist others to do evil, some people do it themselves. Your view on religion is correct but I believe you've thrown out the baby with the bathwater.

 

[cubby1223]

I also applaud this mother for recognizing the truth about her daughter, rather than defending her to the end, unlike the parents of so many endless examples we've had.

 

[5150Joker]

What a waste of a good looking girl. Now she'll be given to some 50 year old Arab camel rapist.

 

[senseamp]

Note they all go through Turkey.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Everyone who understands religion and religious people please take a step forward. Whoa, not so fast there Exophase

For the most part, everyone stays with the religion they were born into. Changing religion like the person that is this thread's subject, was never normal, not today, not hundreds of years ago. My money is on depression as the cause of the above situation.

She was depressed that she couldn't kill anyone .

Probably feels much better now.

 

[Jaskalas]

20 years old eh? I suspect it's the aspect of human psychology that has the army recruiting the same age bracket. Wanting to feel empowered and taking action. Too young to feel mortal or to have learned life lessons. Hell, the brain is still developing until age ~25.

The girl was recruited into a "family".
Into something that felt powerful.
That felt right.

Also, what does her country teach its kids about Islam? Do they profess moral equivalency? Maybe they're conditioned to feel there's nothing wrong in being approached by a recruiter. Leaving their youth vulnerable as an open book, so to speak.

 

[Newell Steamer]

"I will simply be beside myself if she takes someone else's life," mom Shakhla Bochkaryova told the Siberian Times. "It's better not to live than to be the mother of a terrorist. You realize what a monster you gave birth to. It is hard for any mother."

Wait - ATP&N Conservatards told me ALL Muslims strive to be what ISIS is... what gives here? You guys aren't lying to me, are you?

 

[Subyman]

I'm pretty sure she didn't come from a loving and supporting family and then was simply "lured" into being a terrorist. There are likely deep insecurities within her due to family issues that were filled by the tight-knit cult. She has probably never felt so close to people in her entire life. Emotion easily over comes rational thought especially for someone whose family may not have given them the emotional support they needed.

We saw this with the manson family and jim jones. Except now the message can be sent even further through modern communications.

 

[Exophase]

Everyone who understands religion and religious people please take a step forward. Whoa, not so fast there Exophase

For the most part, everyone stays with the religion they were born into. Changing religion like the person that is this thread's subject, was never normal, not today, not hundreds of years ago. My money is on depression as the cause of the above situation.

As someone who went from not religious as a child, to religious, to not religious again, I contend your "doesn't understand religion or religious people" claim. Nobody is born into a religion. My mother also became religious as an adult (and has been pretty obnoxious about it since)

There could be a lot of compounding factors as to why someone would accept a religion as a young adult more easily than other people may, but that doesn't mean that they're going to find some other excuse to want to kill people if it doesn't involve believing it's doing God's work.

Where in the Bible does it tell me to kill infidels?

That isn't the point. The Bible doesn't say to kill infidels per se (although it comes pretty close, and does says to kill a variety of other people), but what I'm saying is that getting someone to believe that something is God's will gives you very strong persuasive power.

God has revealed his will to us through the Bible and his son Jesus, not any man here on Earth. If my pastor told me to kill an infidel I'd say that's not biblical. If he told me to hate my enemy I'd say to him what did Jesus say ?

You believe this because of what people have told you, and/or because of what you've seen written, and possibly because of what you've felt inside (which can very much be influenced by other people) If someone got someone else to believe that their holy book was the real deal and it did include killing the infidels then they'd have a strong case for believing that's what they should do. The only thing the Bible has going for it is that it's a very old and pervasive book, but that's not necessarily enough to give it full credibility over anything else to other people (especially when compared to something like the Quran that's almost as old and pervasive)

There is no doubt people using using bits of the Bible to warp and twist others to do evil, some people do it themselves. Your view on religion is correct but I believe you've thrown out the baby with the bathwater.

I'm not saying get rid of religion, I'm just saying that it's a lot harder to turn people into what this young woman has become without it.

 

[MongGrel]

20 years old eh? I suspect it's the aspect of human psychology that has the army recruiting the same age bracket. Wanting to feel empowered and taking action. Too young to feel mortal or to have learned life lessons. Hell, the brain is still developing until age ~25.

The girl was recruited into a "family".
Into something that felt powerful.
That felt right.

Also, what does her country teach its kids about Islam? Do they profess moral equivalency? Maybe they're conditioned to feel there's nothing wrong in being approached by a recruiter. Leaving their youth vulnerable as an open book, so to speak.

I'd tend to agree with this.

She's young, bit naive, idealistic.

Many people are that way at that age, and think they have a solid grasp of what is right and wrong in their mind.

 

[Atreus21]

My question is what causes this? Is it just rebellious nature of kids? What draws them to be recruited by such extremists?

Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?

My thoughts.

These zealots, evil as they are, stand for something and will kill for it. Like it or not, that's an example of leadership, and people are attracted to that.

 

[soulcougher73]

Maybe she is a "true believer" and her parents are not. If she is a true believer then she is just doing as her holy book commands her and being a good little muslim. Luckily for us most religious people are not true believers and take the books less seriously. They may be going to hell for that, but it makes a better world for the rest of us

 

[TheSlamma]

Maybe she is a "true believer" and her parents are not. If she is a true believer then she is just doing as her holy book commands her and being a good little muslim. Luckily for us most religious people are not true believers and take the books less seriously. They may be going to hell for that, but it makes a better world for the rest of us

Exactly this. In order to fit into today's western world culture you have to be bad at all of these religions.

I bet if you took the Bible and the Quran and redacted them to fit in with todays secular laws they would be as long as a Clifford the Big Red Dog book.

 

[zinfamous]

20 years old eh? I suspect it's the aspect of human psychology that has the army recruiting the same age bracket. Wanting to feel empowered and taking action. Too young to feel mortal or to have learned life lessons. Hell, the brain is still developing until age ~25.

The girl was recruited into a "family".
Into something that felt powerful.
That felt right.

Also, what does her country teach its kids about Islam? Do they profess moral equivalency? Maybe they're conditioned to feel there's nothing wrong in being approached by a recruiter. Leaving their youth vulnerable as an open book, so to speak.

My thoughts.

These zealots, evil as they are, stand for something and will kill for it. Like it or not, that's an example of leadership, and people are attracted to that.

Maybe she is a "true believer" and her parents are not. If she is a true believer then she is just doing as her holy book commands her and being a good little muslim. Luckily for us most religious people are not true believers and take the books less seriously. They may be going to hell for that, but it makes a better world for the rest of us

I think all of these are correct.

 

[JD50]

Maybe she is a "true believer" and her parents are not. If she is a true believer then she is just doing as her holy book commands her and being a good little muslim. Luckily for us most religious people are not true believers and take the books less seriously. They may be going to hell for that, but it makes a better world for the rest of us

:thumbsup:

 

[sm625]

Maybe now she will stop voting for guys who bomb weddings to enrich military contractors.

 

[Hugo Drax]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/mother-jihadist-gave-birth-monster-article-1.2448720

Sad story but unfortunately this is happening all over the world.. from America to Canada, to Britain, to France, to Germany, to Russia to Australia.

My question is what causes this? Is it just rebellious nature of kids? What draws them to be recruited by such extremists?

Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?

Because everyone has a Tattoo and that is not longer enough.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I believe that we should give these folks free passage to Syria...the only cost being their citizenship. Let them live and die as they see fit....as long as it's not here.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Sad story but unfortunately this is happening all over the world.. from America to Canada, to Britain, to France, to Germany, to Russia to Australia.

My question is what causes this? Is it just rebellious nature of kids? What draws them to be recruited by such extremists?

Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?

What I want to know is what amazing recruiting tactics are they getting to these kids? And via social media?

"Here in the beautiful and luxurious sand capital of Iraq, we will forever make you feel at home - because you will constantly be at home taking the dicks of multiple men - possibly at the same time, and at all times. You will be one of the very lucky few brides to marry these gorgeous bachelors (whom currently have 4 other wives). When you feel like you've had enough and are ready to get back home - Don't worry, we will make sure to beat you until you die bleeding. However, no worries - You will be forever saved by Allah."