Moto X (Is Out) [8.01.2013]

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Red Storm

Lifer
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But here's what I've said before -- who cares about the specs?

Uh, no, here's what you said before:

I feel like this $199 is geared towards US consumers who can't handle full priced phones. As a result in order to penetrate the market, we need dumbed down specs. Sigh.

I don't think any Android release will ever please you.

The only thing wrong with this phone is the price. I agree with AT's conclusion that the price will more than likely drop down quickly.
 

Midwayman

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Well at least they can always drop the price. I'm sort of waiting to see what the fall note III and iphone refresh will look this this fall anyways.
 

Red Storm

Lifer
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I was really hoping to see Maxx level battery in this thing. I would happily sacrifice some benchmark performance for greatly increased battery.
 

v8envy

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At the time it was released it was mid to high end. That's where I would put the Moto X, leaning more towards mid.

I don't think anyone can argue 720p, dual core, 10MP camera are all features of a midrange device when talking Android. The bar has been set way higher by the HTC One, S4 and Experia Z. This thing is lackluster compared to the S3!
 

foghorn67

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I don't think anyone can argue 720p, dual core, 10MP camera are all features of a midrange device when talking Android. The bar has been set way higher by the HTC One, S4 and Experia Z. This thing is lackluster compared to the S3!

I think we need break the spec races. If it's just as responsive with a Dual core + custom cores as the latest Snapdragon quad, why spec race?

If the camera images are just as pleasing, why MP race?

In day to day use, if it ends up being more useful, why complain?
 

Ravynmagi

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Jun 16, 2007
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I'm happy there is a 32GB option of the Moto X for only $50 more.

I'm still confused on the off contract price. So I'm guessing Motorola did not announce any off contract price and the $300 or $500 numbers are just rumors and speculation?

If it's $200 on contract, then my own speculation is that it'll probably cost $500 or more (they usually give you more than $100 off full price with a 2 year contract).

It's hard to know what I feel about the phone without knowing the real price (I don't buy anything on contract). But $200 on contract, the same price as the Galaxy S4 and HTC One (I believe) and those phones have far superior specs.

I really thought price was going to make the Moto X a good phone, but it appears that may not be the case.
 

OBLAMA2009

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given that this is a midrange phone, this represents a price increase. who thought thats what their ceo meant when he said "current pricing will not stand" (or however he put it)???

the joke is going to be on them though. they really hyped this up and teased people and they didnt deliver and now peeps is gonna be talkin' 'bout dat on forums, so they wont get many initial sales and then snapdragon 800 phones will be out in a month or so and theyll be stuck with a warehouse in texas full of scheet nobody wants
 
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kaerflog

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I was a big proponent of this phone since the rumor price will start at $299.
I liked everything about it for $299 off-contract.
$199 is an absolute joke with a 2/yr contract.
Why in the fvck would I pick this over a HTC1 or GS4 or the LG G2 ??
I know the G2 will also be priced $199 when it comes out so I would be freaking brain dead to pick this Moto X over the G2.
Motorola/google are out of their fvcking mind.
 

Bateluer

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Seems like Google may need to tear down the firewall between them and Motorola a little to get Moto back into the realm of reality. Very few people will buy a Moto X over an HTC1, a GS4, a G2, etc. A faux wooden back isn't going to entire many to take a downgrade in every area and pay more for it.
 

AznAnarchy99

Lifer
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I think we need break the spec races. If it's just as responsive with a Dual core + custom cores as the latest Snapdragon quad, why spec race?

If the camera images are just as pleasing, why MP race?

In day to day use, if it ends up being more useful, why complain?

So from today's announcement, how would it be more useful with devices in the same price range? S4/One has a higher res screen and faster specs (longevity on a 2 year contract) with the S4 having expandable memory as well.

Sure if there were features that made this phone stand out but besides customization with colors, I dont see it.

Basically what I'm trying to say is, if you were trying to sell me at the store, why would I choose this phone over HTC or Samsung?
 

v8envy

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I think we need break the spec races. If it's just as responsive with a Dual core + custom cores as the latest Snapdragon quad, why spec race?

If the camera images are just as pleasing, why MP race?

In day to day use, if it ends up being more useful, why complain?

No, we don't need to break the spec races. I, for one, enjoy the better gaming experience offered by higher end hardware. Sure, I don't need much oomph to flick the app drawer, but fire up something like Real Racing 3 (with rear view mirrors enabled) and the difference between a high end and midrange device will be immediately apparent. To a smaller extent so will 1080p.

Think of it this way. A Honda Civic is a better car, day to day, than a Bugatti Veyron. But if Honda offered the Civic for somewhere around a million dollars they'd sell approximately zero of them, because anyone looking for a daily driver would opt for a much cheaper alternative from Toyota (read: any number of $0 to $50 midrange devices with comprable specs offered by HTC, Samsung, LG), and anyone looking for "best of the best of the best" would not consider paying flagship pricing for a mundane device.

This thing is a fish out of water. There's no way I'd buy this over an S4 or HTC One, or even Experia Z. Never mind pay a $50-$150 premium to do so.
 

Ravynmagi

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Good thing Motorola is married to Google now and doesn't actually have to worry about making money anymore. I think that mentality is definitely showing after the mediocre and overpriced Droid Ultra and Moto X phones they've just announced.

Seems like this phone is aimed specifically at naive people that know nothing about hardware and will just be impressed with pretty colors. Hmm.. maybe that'll works. We'll see.
 

lopri

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It still doesn't compute in my head how S600 = 8960 on this phone. And this thing has Adreno 320..? What am I missing here? I thought 8064 plus Adreno 320 equals S4 Pro, and 8064T plus Adreno 320+ (higher clock) equals S600. 8960 was associated with S4 Plus, IIRC.
 

Ravynmagi

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It still doesn't compute in my head how S600 = 8960 on this phone. And this thing has Adreno 320..? What am I missing here? I thought 8064 plus Adreno 320 equals S4 Pro, and 8064T plus Adreno 320+ (higher clock) equals S600. 8960 was associated with S4 Plus, IIRC.

Qualcomm is doing weird confusing stuff with their naming and model numbers. The Nexus 7 2013 has a "S4 Pro" with dual Krait 300 cores. That confused the heck out of me. Not sure what Qualcomm is doing.
 

kaerflog

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God damm Google/Motorola need to get back to reality.
No freakin way they can release a phone with inferior specs 4 months later and still price it the same $199.
Beside the HTC One and GS4 can be had for less than $199. HTC1 can be found FREE with contract during promotions.
 

foghorn67

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No, we don't need to break the spec races. I, for one, enjoy the better gaming experience offered by higher end hardware. Sure, I don't need much oomph to flick the app drawer, but fire up something like Real Racing 3 (with rear view mirrors enabled) and the difference between a high end and midrange device will be immediately apparent. To a smaller extent so will 1080p.

Think of it this way. A Honda Civic is a better car, day to day, than a Bugatti Veyron. But if Honda offered the Civic for somewhere around a million dollars they'd sell approximately zero of them, because anyone looking for a daily driver would opt for a much cheaper alternative from Toyota (read: any number of $0 to $50 midrange devices with comprable specs offered by HTC, Samsung, LG), and anyone looking for "best of the best of the best" would not consider paying flagship pricing for a mundane device.

This thing is a fish out of water. There's no way I'd buy this over an S4 or HTC One, or even Experia Z. Never mind pay a $50-$150 premium to do so.
Not all of us game. I'd rather have a more responsive camera and UI. Much more useful to me. Even the S4 stutters about once in a while.
You are going the wrong way with my point let me break it down.

13Mp camera vs. 10MP.
That 13MP has poor noise control and heavy NR when in Night Mode. A better sensor might help. If that is the case, give me the 10MP.

Screen: It's smaller, 720p isn't the worst thing, it's not a 5" screen. It doesn't need to be 1080p. Its about the same size as my GXN, no issue of resolution on the GXN. I actually prefer my 4.7 HTC One compared to the 5" of my S4. Yes, it takes a back seat in resolution, but not screen size. Some people have caveats on the 5 inch screen.

Processor: Using the latest s4 Snapdragon and clipping at 200mhz faster than my HTC One, the s4 stutters. It shouldn't. Great, I can play with dolphins with machine guns on dope 10fps faster. Weee.
My HTC doesn't stutter....ever. Don't give me ROM this, ROM that. That's like what, 4% of people willing to do that.
If the Moto can effortlessly breeze through it's own UI faster, smoother, it's camera fires up faster...etc. It's more useful as a phone. If you want a gaming device, fine. But I'm sure even on last years specs, most games should be okay.

Storage:
Expandable storage. That's great the S4 comes with an SD card slot. All phones in reality should. Even the lowly N4 to the HTC One and Nexus 10.
But as far as app storage, even Samsung is nerfing the storage abilities on it's own devices. The 32GB S4 should have been available to all from the beginning. Try finding it outside a few carriers.

At the end of the day, I want a phone that is more useful. With useful features and not gimmicky never used S4 features sitting on top of the ugliest UI in the world.
 
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