Moto X (Is Out) [8.01.2013]

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thedosbox

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I bet sales pick up a bit. At the moment it's a typical Moto limited launch.
You can only buy it in North America, and isn't the Moto maker thing limited to one carrier (or was)?

It's also available in a couple of South American markets. Moto Maker is now available on the big US carriers.

Whether sales pick up is going to depend on marketing. The Samsung S3 was advertised heavily throughout its life, and sales reflect this. I can see a bump happening with the holiday season coming up, a more sensible on-contract price and lots of colorful Moto Maker ads.
 

Zivic

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Who's going to buy Moto X when they can get cheaper and better Nexus 5?

I have both phones, and the moto X is a better overall device. You have to get past peoples limited knowledge base of spec this spec that. I paid 260+ after tax and shipping for my 32 gig moto X on contract and after owning the device I feel it was worth the price. The phone at 50 is a bargain.

On paper the moto X doesn't make sense because people get caught up in processor and resolution and don't see the device as a whole. That is difficult to market around
 

Zivic

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did they succeed in fooling people into thinking a phone with a two generations old chip with alleged software optimizations was as good as a current phone? no, but hopefully they learn their lesson for the next generation

did they succeed in "fooling" ???

did they succeed in showing is more accurate. the phone is every bit as good as a current gen processor equipped phone. It just is. If you can't get the phone in a person's hand, it's your thought process that keeps a person from seeing for themselves.

in my house right now is a moto X, Nexus 5 and S4... the moto X is the best device
 

desura

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So,

Seriously thinking about picking one up on Republic Wireless.

It looks like though that Republic Wireless will...only offer the 16gb model?

How to best manage? 16gb is pretty constrained. I'm used to at least a 32gb iPod touch, and my current phone has a 64gb sd card installed.
 

s44

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On paper the moto X doesn't make sense because people get caught up in processor and resolution and don't see the device as a whole. That is difficult to market around
The Moto X doesn't make sense because Google is/was trying to sell us less hardware for the same price (or in fact a much higher price vs the 5). That sense of being ripped off is difficult to compensate for with marketing.

Yeah, yeah, better software... you know what? If they have that, that should be Moto's killer feature to win vs actual hardware specced peers. Not an excuse to try to jack up per-unit profits.

It's also a fine phone now, but in two years it will be crawling because of its basic CPU deficit.
 

Roland00Address

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i bet they dont pick up. every week that phone gets more obsolete. that phone has been buried in store and on websites by g2 and nexus 5. even motoG will be identified by customers as "better" because its quad core (yeah i know it doesnt have the voice stuff, its plasticky and the camera is worse). did they succeed in fooling people into thinking a phone with a two generations old chip with alleged software optimizations was as good as a current phone? no, but hopefully they learn their lesson for the next generation

It is only one generation behind in cpu tasks. It is a dual core Krait 300 chip (that is the 3rd generation of the Krait architecture). The S4 is a quad core Krait 300 chip. The Dual Core Krait 300 chip in the Moto X soundly beats any of the quad core Krait 200 chips (Krait 200 being the 2nd generation.). Even though it is ony a dual core krait 300 it performs similarly in most tasks to the quad core krait 300 chips due to it able to keep the same clocks for longer without throttling due to only having 2 cores, as well as most software not being to take advantage of 4 cores.

The recent Snapdragon S800 is the most recent generation of Qualcomm Krait Architecture. Such Snapdragon S8000 chips are the Note 3 American, LG G2, and Nexus 5, these chips use the quad core Krait 400 architecture the newest Krait implementation. While these chips are faster they were just recently released, and they came out after the Moto X came out.

The Moto G that was just announced and won't hit stateside till January are not using Qualcomm ip for the cpu side of things. They are instead using generic cortex A7 cpus with qualcomm gpu, qualcomm modems, qualcomm image sensors etc.

In other words it is going to perform like shit. The Asus Memopad HD7 which is a tablet you can get for $129 uses the same ip cortex A7 for the cpu. Here are some cpu benchmarks from anandtech.

Google Octane v1 (Higher is Better)
2,978 LG G2
2,454 Moto X
1,285 Asus Memopad HD 7

Mozilla Kracken (Lower is Better)
09,610.7 Moto X
10,066.9 LG G2 (Yes this is not a misprint, the LG G2 loses against the moto x in this benchmark from anandtech.)
19,110.8 Asus Memopad HD 7

Furthermore the Moto G will be using Adreno 305 and not Adreno 320 or Adreno 330
 

Graze

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The Moto G that was just announced and won't hit stateside till January are not using Qualcomm ip for the cpu side of things. They are instead using generic cortex A7 cpus with qualcomm gpu, qualcomm modems, qualcomm image sensors etc.

That generic cpu is a Snapdragon 400 :whiste:
 

destrekor

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Surprise, surprise. If the sales figures are to be believed, Moto X is a total flop. Only 500,000 phones sold. Which isn't surprising to many here. Everyone said the phone was too expensive for the specs when the price was announced. Every knew except for Motorola and Google. It was as if Google wanted additional tax writeoff. Now it's too late and the damage has been done. Who's going to buy Moto X when they can get cheaper and better Nexus 5?

Remember when the Nexus 4 came out? It didn't stop people from buying other android devices at various price points.

However, there are people who buy on contract, or who want a one-handed friendly form factor, or who are interested now that Moto Maker is more widespread.

I want a Nexus 5.
Can I get it on Verizon with LTE? Nope.

No Nexus 5 in my future.

I don't switch carriers just to have a phone. I want the carrier I have, and the best phone I can get on that carrier for me.
I still have no idea what I am going to do. I am eligible for an upgrade, but I don't want to use it because I won't get to keep my unlimited data if I do. I'm also not sure if that really matters.
It comes in handy when I'm gone for two-three weeks for training every year and need to rely on tethering for any downtime entertainment (or even for actual work). I'll blow past a few GBs real easy at those times. It does suck to feel I need to maintain a certain subscription feature just for essentially one month a year of actual use, but it's nice to be able to rely on data without limits. I've had months of streaming music on LTE only that ate up a lot of data. I don't always have good wifi access - which would especially be the case if I'm trying to stream music while driving.
 

Zivic

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The Moto X doesn't make sense because Google is/was trying to sell us less hardware for the same price (or in fact a much higher price vs the 5). That sense of being ripped off is difficult to compensate for with marketing.

Yeah, yeah, better software... you know what? If they have that, that should be Moto's killer feature to win vs actual hardware specced peers. Not an excuse to try to jack up per-unit profits.

It's also a fine phone now, but in two years it will be crawling because of its basic CPU deficit.


fine for now?? it's as snappy as anything out there. and with the new kit-kat being less demanding in terms of resources, it should perform at least as well into the future. in two years a lot can happen, I have likely had a couple new phones by then.

who cares about all the specs when they don't mean anything when it comes to real world performance?
 

Roland00Address

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That generic cpu is a Snapdragon 400 :whiste:

[URL="http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/400]How about you look it up. Click here for Qualcomm's website[/URL]

Snapdragon 400 uses one of these three configurations, If it is quad core it is Cortex A7

Quad ARM® Cortex™ A7 CPU at up to 1.6GHz per core1

Dual core Krait 300 CPU at up to 1.7GHz per core1

Dual core Krait 200 CPU at up to 1.2GHz per core1

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It is a Qualcomm soc but the cpu inside the soc is Cortex A7, everything else inside the soc besides the cpu is custom Qualcomm IP.
 
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fine for now?? it's as snappy as anything out there. and with the new kit-kat being less demanding in terms of resources, it should perform at least as well into the future. in two years a lot can happen, I have likely had a couple new phones by then.

who cares about all the specs when they don't mean anything when it comes to real world performance?

This is very true. Real world performance is what matters. In retrospect, Moto X isn't that bad. I might not want one, but that doesn't mean it's a bad product for the average consumer.

I don't buy the whole low specs = need to be cheap. The Moto X is better than an overpriced flagship with bleeding edge specs but poor real world performance.
 

hans007

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The Moto X doesn't make sense because Google is/was trying to sell us less hardware for the same price (or in fact a much higher price vs the 5). That sense of being ripped off is difficult to compensate for with marketing.

Yeah, yeah, better software... you know what? If they have that, that should be Moto's killer feature to win vs actual hardware specced peers. Not an excuse to try to jack up per-unit profits.

It's also a fine phone now, but in two years it will be crawling because of its basic CPU deficit.

Um I'm ok with paying more for software I guess. A moto x is cheaper than those phones now too.

Look you can buy a mustang gt or an entry level BMW they cost about the same. Some people buy one some buy the other and they both feel good about their purchase

If Motorola can make a phone feel just as fast and work just as well with less hardware why is that worth any less. If Samsung's software makes their hardware slow obviously Motorola did something there. So why is the value any less. I suppose as a software developer I have to understand this. But most people are caught up in only tangible goods. I'm guessing this is why people pirate software or music its "worthless " anyway you aren't ripping anyone off like stealing a physical object. So people like this poster feel ripped off since they are getting less hardware. Why don't you feel ripped off that lg/ Samsung make such a poor performing skin?
 

poofyhairguy

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Why don't you feel ripped off that lg/ Samsung make such a poor performing skin?

Because at least Samsung is smart enough to sell a GPe version of their S4 that is basically a Moto X plus two cores, plus twice the pixels and a bigger screen, plus a removable battery, plus a SD slot and minus some customizations and hacks either I would never use or I can re-create with root apps. I promise your Moto X doesn't feel faster than a GPe S4, just Touchwiz ones.

The Moto X only kicks ass if you must have a subsidized phone (or a Verizon phone), in which case it is the only one with an out-of-the-box AOSP experience. But if you are paying out of pocket a Nexus 5 or GPe S4 is better.

At least the Moto X gave me some ideas for new tasker profiles...
 

Zivic

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Because at least Samsung is smart enough to sell a GPe version of their S4 that is basically a Moto X plus two cores, plus twice the pixels and a bigger screen, plus a removable battery, plus a SD slot and minus some customizations and hacks either I would never use or I can re-create with root apps. I promise your Moto X doesn't feel faster than a GPe S4, just Touchwiz ones.

The Moto X only kicks ass if you must have a subsidized phone (or a Verizon phone), in which case it is the only one with an out-of-the-box AOSP experience. But if you are paying out of pocket a Nexus 5 or GPe S4 is better.

At least the Moto X gave me some ideas for new tasker profiles...
I bought a nexus 5. it isn't better than the moto X. it just isn't. I used my N5 for a few days, and it sits on my counter while I carry my moto X. the moto X feels better, looks better, performs at least as good, and has a lot of features the 5 doesn't
 

hans007

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Because I can disable or remove the bloat quite easily but I can't make the hardware better.



i suppose i approach this from a completely different view point.

there is no bloat with the moto x so i don't have to do anything. in the future, maybe future software will not run on it, but it seems to me it feels just as fast as anything else out there now.

when it feels slow in a year if some game changing piece of software comes out, i'll do something crazy like buy the moto X2 or whatever it gets called.

i suppose i used to care about these things, and i do write software for a living so i guess i COULD do something about it. but to be honest, for most people, and this includes people like me, having to actually go into the phone and make all these changes, just to make it feel not sluggish seems like a lot of work. the moto x just worked out of box. oddly i suppose and as much as i don't really like apple products, its probably the most apple like an android phone can get at least as far as software and being optimized to its current hardware. and well an iphone 5 / 5S both feel pretty smooth and on paper their hardware is terrible other than the screen / camera (which are probably on par with a moto X resolution wise anyway).

i do have a moto x. i know 2 other guys who have them. hell one of them writes router firmware so he's pretty technical. and i dont think any of us has ever been "oh yeah its too slow, and itll be even slower for the future" when we talk about the phones we got. i think usually our main comment is, hey its cool i don't have to press the power button when i take it out of my pocket. i dont know thats like $100 value for me personally.

i don't get the comment about removing bloat by getting a samsung S4 GPe. i mean, if you are getting a GPe uh just get a nexus 4/5? how is "i can remove the bloat" a feature. i can upgrade the hardware of my moto x too. i just buy a phone. oh well whatever.
 

poofyhairguy

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oddly i suppose and as much as i don't really like apple products, its probably the most apple like an android phone can get at least as far as software and being optimized to its current hardware.

That is a good point that was mentioned by Anand on a recent podcast.
 

s44

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and well an iphone 5 / 5S both feel pretty smooth and on paper their hardware is terrible other than the screen / camera (which are probably on par with a moto X resolution wise anyway).
Screen is below par now both in size and resolution. But the 5S CPU is awesome -- it's got much more room to grow than the X.
 

hyrule4927

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I bet sales pick up a bit. At the moment it's a typical Moto limited launch.
You can only buy it in North America, and isn't the Moto maker thing limited to one carrier (or was)?

Moto Maker is available for most carriers as of Monday. Just ordered mine yesterday. Right now there is an extra $50 off for Verizon for some reason, so I got a 32GB for $100 as replacement for my iPhone 4.
 

destrekor

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Why does Verizon have to have such an awesome network? Especially LTE? (can't wait until VoLTE - having the CDMA modem always on for voice is such a waste of battery potential)

I'd like to have an awesome phone, and I'd like to be able to own the damn thing. It's mine - I should be able to do with it as I please.
Why do I just HAVE to have the "developer edition" just to have an unlockable bootloader? Ugh. It's MSRP is $100 higher, and of course available only off contract.
Also, for Verizon, is the Developer Edition the only way to get 32gb? I haven't checked motomaker, however.


I sort of wish I could convince myself to leave Verizon. I'm on a family share plan, so the cost isn't even that big of deal. But ignoring the network and customer service, everything else about Verizon is a miserable experience for people like me.

Maybe the Moto X is good enough without tinkering, that I'd never feel like bothering with new kernels, or flashing radios on my own. I think you can still install a custom recovery on a locked bootloader, right? Or... I've never done it, but how do you install custom ROMs on a locked bootloader? I've heard of it being possible... is that a case-by-case (each phone is different) situation?

I'm definitely getting tired of my Galaxy Nexus. I have CM 10.1 on there (I think they have 10.1.3 stable release now - working on 10.2 aka Android 4.3 - CM 11 aka 4.4 is no where in sight, realistically - no guarantee the GN/Toro gets their love for CM11 either) - perhaps an AOSP-based release for 4.4 would help cure some of the ills for the Galaxy Nexus...
 

Sid59

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ponyo

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AndroidPolice.com is reporting it's now free, 0$ if you opt to buy on verizon's site and want black or white.


http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...-from-verizon-with-this-coupon-code-save-100/

Let's get rid of warehouse full of unsold Moto X phone sale. If you wait even more, they might pay you to take the phone off their hands. . They should've priced this phone free with contract from the beginning and $400-450 outright. They would've sold lot more and created some buzz for the brand and future products. Doing it now just reeks of desperation and panic.
 

OBLAMA2009

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Let's get rid of warehouse full of unsold Moto X phone sale. If you wait even more, they might pay you to take the phone off their hands. . They should've priced this phone free with contract from the beginning and $400-450 outright. They would've sold lot more and created some buzz for the brand and future products. Doing it now just reeks of desperation and panic.

yeah theyre desperate, they were stupid to wait until no one was interested in the phone anymore to open up motomaker to verizon. i have yet to see someone with a motomaker phone in the wild.
 

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I briefly played with a display model at AT&T a few weeks ago before my girlfriend dragged me away. As I said, it was a brief experience, but it left me with a sour impression.

The colors on the screen seemed off to me, and it seemed fairly dark, as well. Perhaps my eyes have simply adjusted to my Nexus 4, Nexus 7 (2012), and previous phone (MyTouch 4G).

As for the feel of the device, it felt cheap and plastic to me. It was larger than I expected. I was not impressed with the material used on the back. I also immediately noticed the difference between the curved glass edges on my Nexus 4 and the plastic of the Moto X, which did not serve the same purpose at all. It really works pretty much for looks, not for the feel of scrolling across the screen.

Lastly, there seemed to be a noticeable gap between the front and back of the device, which felt awkward in my hand. It could've been the buttons, perhaps, but I wasn't able to figure that out in the brief time I had with the device.

I'm still looking forward to what they will come out with next year, and I am intrigued by the Moto G and its flip covers.
 
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