Moto X (Is Out) [8.01.2013]

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Why does Verizon have to have such an awesome network? Especially LTE? (can't wait until VoLTE - having the CDMA modem always on for voice is such a waste of battery potential)

Are you kidding me? If you said this in 2010, maybe. If you live in the middle of nowhere, maybe.

But in the suburbs and the city, practically wherever I go, Verizon LTE is jammed up. It's not that fast. In many cases T-Mobile HSPA+ can achieve similar competitive results. Now AT&T's network I actually find to be pretty damn good despite being last place in 2009 in the Bay Area. The LTE consistently outperforms Verizon's LTE, and when you fall back from LTE onto HSPA, you're at least getting decent speeds. If I'm in a building where Verizon LTE is weaker, falling back to 3G is useless.

Plus, I finally get the benefits of surfing the web while on a con call on my cell phone. Hooray for simultaneous voice + data.
 

destrekor

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Are you kidding me? If you said this in 2010, maybe. If you live in the middle of nowhere, maybe.

But in the suburbs and the city, practically wherever I go, Verizon LTE is jammed up. It's not that fast. In many cases T-Mobile HSPA+ can achieve similar competitive results. Now AT&T's network I actually find to be pretty damn good despite being last place in 2009 in the Bay Area. The LTE consistently outperforms Verizon's LTE, and when you fall back from LTE onto HSPA, you're at least getting decent speeds. If I'm in a building where Verizon LTE is weaker, falling back to 3G is useless.

Plus, I finally get the benefits of surfing the web while on a con call on my cell phone. Hooray for simultaneous voice + data.

You live in an overtaxed area.

Not everyone lives in/near a population measured in millions.

And simultaneous voice+data is possible, so long as you have 4G. This isn't defending, just stating the case. I can't wait for VoLTE so we don't require two different cell radios/modems to be used for such a "feature", but alas, it is what it is at this point.

I say that when I barely even have any signal in my apartment (and I'm in the city proper, near the turnpike, which splits a major suburb from the city, and not far from a turnpike and interstate junction.)
Because essentially everywhere else I go, I have zero problems getting good strong signal.

Whenever I have good signal, I typically measure 20Mbps on speedtest.net.


And while 3G CDMA sucks for data, it's wonderful for voice - and it's freaking everywhere.

Point being - I'm not leaving verizon because a) I'll lose unlimited with almost everyone I know; b) it'll cost me more in the end, unless I go with an MVNO (even then... maybe), since I'm on a share plan with family; c) in this area, and basically everywhere I have ever needed to go unless it's in the boonies, it's wonderful.

Could it be better? Hell yes. But switching isn't worth it.
If it was, I'd do it in a heartbeat because Verizon screws over customers in terms of device access. Their worse than the FAA - "OMG rogue wireless signals will send everything crashing! We must have 100% accountability of every wireless device on our network!" Preach to the world about joining open handset alliance - jack all comes out of that promise. Either they joined and backed out, they never joined, or they got booted out for failing to adhere to promises. No idea, but they aren't in it after a few years of patting themselves on the back and hyping up the membership.
 

thedosbox

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I briefly played with a display model at AT&T a few weeks ago before my girlfriend dragged me away. As I said, it was a brief experience, but it left me with a sour impression.

The colors on the screen seemed off to me, and it seemed fairly dark, as well. Perhaps my eyes have simply adjusted to my Nexus 4, Nexus 7 (2012), and previous phone (MyTouch 4G).

All of those have LCD screens, whereas the Moto X has a AMOLED screen. The latter will have much better contrast, and (too) vivid colors. As someone who had used phones with LCD screens, I found it odd at first. As for size, it's smaller than the Nexus 4, so I don't know what you were expecting.

As you noted, a brief play with in-store demo unit isn't going to be able to show features like Assist or Active Notifications, so you'd be better off reading some of the reviews.
 

OBLAMA2009

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Are you kidding me? If you said this in 2010, maybe. If you live in the middle of nowhere, maybe.

But in the suburbs and the city, practically wherever I go, Verizon LTE is jammed up. It's not that fast. In many cases T-Mobile HSPA+ can achieve similar competitive results. Now AT&T's network I actually find to be pretty damn good despite being last place in 2009 in the Bay Area. The LTE consistently outperforms Verizon's LTE, and when you fall back from LTE onto HSPA, you're at least getting decent speeds. If I'm in a building where Verizon LTE is weaker, falling back to 3G is useless.

Plus, I finally get the benefits of surfing the web while on a con call on my cell phone. Hooray for simultaneous voice + data.

id say verizon lte has gotten pretty bad in sf, its usually 2-3mbps on average or even slower sometimes. the occasional 30mbps we were seeing two years ago is long gone
 

lothar

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Motorola releases Android 4.4 Kitkat update:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...e-first-kitkat-update-and-its-starting-today/

Wow, I'm highly impressed with Motorola.
If this streak keeps going on, I might abandon Nexus devices all together and consider going with Motorola devices from this point going forward if they bring their off-contract prices down to Nexus levels + $50.
I no longer do contracts, so even though it's been advertised for $49(or free at some places) with contract, the off contract price is still $549 for the 32GB version which is still a tough pill for me to swallow compared to a $400 Nexus.
Motorola needs to pass on the savings to off-contract customers so I can consider buy their phones in the future.

They seem to be the only one capable of making devices without "major" compromises.
Motorola has all the benefits of a Nexus without the "meh" battery, "meh" speakers, and others.
 

destrekor

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Motorola releases Android 4.4 Kitkat update:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...e-first-kitkat-update-and-its-starting-today/

Wow, I'm highly impressed with Motorola.
If this streak keeps going on, I might abandon Nexus devices all together and consider going with Motorola devices from this point going forward if they bring their off-contract prices down to Nexus levels + $50.
I no longer do contracts, so even though it's been advertised for $49(or free at some places) with contract, the off contract price is still $549 for the 32GB version which is still a tough pill for me to swallow compared to a $400 Nexus.
Motorola needs to pass on the savings to off-contract customers so I can consider buy their phones in the future.

They seem to be the only one capable of making devices without "major" compromises.
Motorola has all the benefits of a Nexus without the "meh" battery, "meh" speakers, and others.

Same - I'm trying to avoid contracts, but off-contract prices, or available affordable phones, have been terrible on Verizon. I'd get a Nexus right away on Verizon, even - but Verizon hates allowing anything without their absolute control over the entire experience. Verizon is the Apple of carriers - and it's disgusting, but as I argued, it's worth putting up with for me (personally). To each their own, but I've figured out what's right for me.

I've come to realize I truly don't care about bleeding edge, just so long as the whole package comes together well. I should say - I would care about bleeding edge, if things today were like a few years ago. But like desktop computing, hardware and the OS is coming together well enough that high-end only matters of critical/production tasks. Smartphone OSes have come a long way, and so has the underlying hardware. A well crafted mid-range phone, today, should perform awesome now and keep ticking for awhile. Just two years ago, that wasn't the case. Of course, after a year or two most devices lose support and no longer get official updates - but if the updates are handled well, I think a device like the Moto X will feel "fresh" a heck of a lot longer than many similar devices. Some bloated high-end phones may even feel worse in time...

I've always said, once Motorola made a well-rounded device, I'd be all over it. At a time, that also required high-end specs. I'm still annoyed I'd have to buy a special edition just to have an unlocked bootloader, but I'm desperately trying to determine if I actually care about that. With the right phone and experience, perhaps I don't. I do know I just don't want to settle for, and "live with" something like that - it has to be I truly no longer feel it's needed for my preferred Android experience.

Motorola is THE definitive phone manufacturer, when it comes to the raw PHONE. It just happens they routinely missed a step here or there for the overall experience - but the basic function, the radio packages/cell modems and antenna designs? Boom - I've never, ever, had a phone with stronger reception at any point in time when compared with non-Motorola phones.

They might get the display wrong, the phone design itself wrong, the software wrong... I do need to play with a Moto X to see if, perhaps, they got more right than other manufacturers. I've definitely been in a few spots where just a touch better reception would be oh so preferred.
 

thedosbox

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Yep.

I posted that same exact link 6 posts above yours...I don't get what the uproar from Nexus fans is all about.

It's not enough that they get good hardware at a great price. Being FIRST!!!! is why they bought a Nexus device
 

lothar

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It's not enough that they get good hardware at a great price. Being FIRST!!!! is why they bought a Nexus device
If they cared about being first, they would have flashed the image like I did. :sneaky:

Also, FYI:
My mother's Nexus 4 had a notification for an OTA update for Android 4.4 Kitkat in the notification bar dated today at 8:49pm sitting there.
I don't know how long it's been there or how often it's been coming up since I only touch her phone once a week to update apps.

Worst come to worst, the OTA update for the Nexus 4 was pushed the exact same day as Moto X.
Best case scenario, it may even have been there for days and arrived before the Moto X update. I know when I receive a notification for an OTA update for my Nexus 7, that thing reminds me and spams my notification bar like mad every 4 hours to update. When it spams the notification bar telling you to update, you don't see 5(or however many different update notifications you have received)...You only see one notification with the latest time reminder.
 

openwheel

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Hate to say this but Verizon is still King of coverage and speed, even in CCC crowded cities. I travel often for work and Verizon network is a savior. Chicago, LA, NY, SF, Seattle, Denver, DC all get rock solid LTE speed. Sometimes into the 50down 60up like Denver, but 5down and 5 up is okay with me in NY.
 

dlock13

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Hate to say this but Verizon is still King of coverage and speed, even in CCC crowded cities. I travel often for work and Verizon network is a savior. Chicago, LA, NY, SF, Seattle, Denver, DC all get rock solid LTE speed. Sometimes into the 50down 60up like Denver, but 5down and 5 up is okay with me in NY.

If you check a lot of reviews, tests, and charts on speed tests of carriers, AT&T seems to have the faster of the LTE between the 2. Verizon overreached and underperformed IMO. It was great at first, but then the market was saturated, and VZW didn't have the actual hardware/connections to back it up.

Anyway, I want a Moto X badly. >_<
 

lopri

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To be frank, I prefer 4.3 to 4.4 anyways. I wish I had a device with non-GEL 4.4 so that I could compare 4.3 and 4.4 fairly, but as it is I am not impressed by 4.4 on the Nexus 5. My Nexus 4 will stay on 4.3 for the foreseeable future.
 

poofyhairguy

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To be frank, I prefer 4.3 to 4.4 anyways. I wish I had a device with non-GEL 4.4 so that I could compare 4.3 and 4.4 fairly, but as it is I am not impressed by 4.4 on the Nexus 5. My Nexus 4 will stay on 4.3 for the foreseeable future.

Yeah considering GEL works on 4.3 my S4 might stay on that Android version for a LONG time. I simply use Flash too much during the football season.
 

lothar

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Hate to say this but Verizon is still King of coverage and speed, even in CCC crowded cities. I travel often for work and Verizon network is a savior. Chicago, LA, NY, SF, Seattle, Denver, DC all get rock solid LTE speed. Sometimes into the 50down 60up like Denver, but 5down and 5 up is okay with me in NY.
Rubbish.
Verizon stopped being the king of speed almost over a year ago.
 

sweenish

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To be frank, I prefer 4.3 to 4.4 anyways. I wish I had a device with non-GEL 4.4 so that I could compare 4.3 and 4.4 fairly, but as it is I am not impressed by 4.4 on the Nexus 5. My Nexus 4 will stay on 4.3 for the foreseeable future.

Just install the same third party launcher on both to compare.
 

desura

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So I'm thinking about it, but the lack of storage is giving me qualms.

I like sd card storage a lot. Biggest bonus for android IMO. Instead of paying $300 extra for Apple's extra storage, you pay $50.

Anyways, do cloud or external storage solutions make up for it?
 

thedosbox

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If they cared about being first, they would have flashed the image like I did. :sneaky:

Apparently flashing an image was too scary for some of them

Also, FYI:
My mother's Nexus 4 had a notification for an OTA update for Android 4.4 Kitkat in the notification bar dated today at 8:49pm sitting there.

Yep, Nexus 4 OTA update was released in the last 24 hours, so now come the flood of "I haven't got it!!!" complaints.

So I'm thinking about it, but the lack of storage is giving me qualms.

FWIW, the X supports USB OTG.
 

gmaster456

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Motorola managed to roll out 4.4 to the moto x on verizon faster than Google did to the Nexus 4.
 
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