Moto X (Is Out) [8.01.2013]

[OBLAMA2009]

I've tried it. There's burn-in concerns and quite honestly it doesn't look as elegant as an LED notification IMO. I see the benefit in that you know exactly what the notification is.

Then there's the fact that I have to run a background app to get it. While Notification LEDs aren't done properly by Google yet, and to get the full features, Lightflow really does the trick, you can at least have your apps trigger notification LEDs without a 3rd party app.



He beat the bootloader on Qualcomm devices. It was not ever broken for the TI OMAP devices.


Okay not the whole screen but its at least a pretty solid 1 inch by 1 inch section of the screen if not more. It looks like the clock flashed as well as an icon for the SMS as large as the circle in the slider unlock. I'm not saying this is a horrible solution. It's a nice interesting feature, and if something like this were introduced as an app on XDA, I'm sure there'd be a good number of followers. However, the solution isn't to introduce this feature and axe the notification LED that millions of devices have to date.

this, if y'axe me. if y'axe me, were all gonna end up with janked screens after 6 months. just look at the demo phones in any verizon store if you have any doubt. this phone really doesnt have much going for it unless it is priced low. the one new "feature" of always on voice will just be annoying unless it works really really well (doubtful) and the specs arent much of an upgrade from my year old razr m even. for anyone thats bought a phone in the last year there isnt much reason to upgrade to this.

oh, and on screen buttons really suck dawgee bawls. they reduce the screen space quite noticeably and cause burn in over time

 

[T_Yamamoto]

this, if y'axe me. if y'axe me, were all gonna end up with janked screens after 6 months. just look at the demo phones in any verizon store if you have any doubt. this phone really doesnt have much going for it unless it is priced low. the one new "feature" of always on voice will just be annoying unless it works really really well (doubtful) and the specs arent much of an upgrade from my year old razr m even. for anyone thats bought a phone in the last year there isnt much reason to upgrade to this.

oh, and on screen buttons really suck dawgee bawls. they reduce the screen space quite noticeably and cause burn in over time

I've had my galaxy nexus since December of when it came out and I don't have any burn ins yet.

(Maybe I'm lucky)

 

[kpkp]

I've had my galaxy nexus since December of when it came out and I don't have any burn ins yet.

(Maybe I'm lucky)

Is better if you do not look for them, because once you see them it can't be unseen.
I had 2 AMOLED phones and burn-ins are unavoidable, even in the best case scenario that you use all the pixels/subpixels perfectly evenly (impossible), you will end up with a dimmer screen. And since the blues burn out faster would be interesting how that affects the color reproduction over time.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Is better if you do not look for them, because once you see them it can't be unseen.
I had 2 AMOLED phones and burn-ins are unavoidable, even in the best case scenario that you use all the pixels/subpixels perfectly evenly (impossible), you will end up with a dimmer screen. And since the blues burn out faster would be interesting how that affects the color reproduction over time.

BS.

Also burn in and screen dimming are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

 

[podspi]

I definitely had burn-in on my Gnex.

I don't really care that much though. The ability to save power by only powering a portion of the screen, and dat contrast ratio, make it worthwhile for me

 

[kpkp]

BS.

Also burn in and screen dimming are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

BS is really the best argument you can come up with?
Tell me how the technology works and how I was wrong... Then we can talk.

 

[Red Storm]

I've never noticed any kind of burn in on any phone I've ever owned, in fact this is the first I've ever even heard of it.

 

[kpkp]

And since we are on topic:
A test from Samsung homeland, pictures and video are quite self explanatory... Later I can post a friends S2 and you can guess what is his favorite game, even with the screen displaying a solid color.

 

[dlock13]

And since we are on topic:
A test from Samsung homeland, pictures and video are quite self explanatory... Later I can post a friends S2 and you can guess what is his favorite game, even with the screen displaying a solid color.

To be fair, that screen tech in the S2 is now... 2 years old? Is that right? Technology advances insanely fast now. I can only assume that by now, they've built AMOLED screens to resist burn in an insane amount. On my Galaxy Nexus that I had for over a year, there was absolutely no sign of burn in. I was on that phone a lot, and I used maps probably 30-40% of the time. No burn in. Granted, they didn't check the panels so my phone had a color shift.

Anyway, I'm not saying burn in isn't possible, but I can see it essentially not being a problem as time goes on.

 

[kpkp]

To be fair, that screen tech in the S2 is now... 2 years old? Is that right? Technology advances insanely fast now. I can only assume that by now, they've built AMOLED screens to resist burn in an insane amount. On my Galaxy Nexus that I had for over a year, there was absolutely no sign of burn in. I was on that phone a lot, and I used maps probably 30-40% of the time. No burn in. Granted, they didn't check the panels so my phone had a color shift.

Anyway, I'm not saying burn in isn't possible, but I can see it essentially not being a problem as time goes on.

If you read the test, or better said check he pictures/video (korean to english is a mess) you will see the test was made on a Galaxy S4.
I am sure you are right that the tech improves over time but if I understand it right, making pixels smaller makes them last less too. That's why the Pentile layout was so popular at the beginning, because it allowed for bigger sub-pixels (specially the blue ones).

Now if I am wrong anyone is most welcome to correct me, but try a bit harder then BS please.

 

[dlock13]

If you read the test, or better said check he pictures/video (korean to english is a mess) you will see the test was made on a Galaxy S4.
I am sure you are right that the tech improves over time but if I understand it right, making pixels smaller makes them last less too. That's why the Pentile layout was so popular at the beginning, because it allowed for bigger sub-pixels (specially the blue ones).

Now if I am wrong anyone is most welcome to correct me, but try a bit harder then BS please.

Calm down. I'm just going on pure assumptions that humans can figure things out and make them better as time goes on. I wasn't able to look at the test due to me being at work.

Making pixels smaller makes them last less definitely makes sense.

Regardless of the display, that should be something the company will replace if burn in does happen even if it's not under warranty.

 

[Ravynmagi]

Wow, people sure take notification LEDs quite seriously on this board.

 

[dlock13]

Wow, people sure take notification LEDs quite seriously on this board.

Here's the thing, notification LEDs are awesome when they work correctly. The way Apple handles notifications (on iOS 6 at least, I don't know about iOS 7) is a great way, too. The way stock Android (without a notification LED or a piss poor one like on the Droid DNA) handles notifications is exceptionally mediocre. Your phone buzzes, sounds happen, the screen might turn on, but you have to look at the notification shade.

This new way is (and should) be fantastic. It lights up only in a certain spot where the notification is. The screen is essentially turned off except for the few pixels that turn on which, in theory, should be very power efficient (not sure compared to a notification LED). Also, it could possibly be more power efficient than the iPhone's whole LCD screen turning on.

I can't wait to see this phone. If it's cheap off contract, it might be my next upgrade!

 

[WelshBloke]

... It'd be nice to have a consistent experience across all phones, and to me that means Notification LED.

Any particular reason you want all the phones to be the same? I'd rather have a choice and pick the one that suits me. Theres not going to be one experience that suits everyone perfectly, far better to have a variety of implementation and let the user choose.

 

[Red Storm]

Any particular reason you want all the phones to be the same? I'd rather have a choice and pick the one that suits me. Theres not going to be one experience that suits everyone perfectly, far better to have a variety of implementation and let the user choose.

A hundred times this.

If you want a one size fits all model, Apple has you covered.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

I definitely had burn-in on my Gnex.

I don't really care that much though. The ability to save power by only powering a portion of the screen, and dat contrast ratio, make it worthwhile for me

Is better if you do not look for them, because once you see them it can't be unseen.
I had 2 AMOLED phones and burn-ins are unavoidable, even in the best case scenario that you use all the pixels/subpixels perfectly evenly (impossible), you will end up with a dimmer screen. And since the blues burn out faster would be interesting how that affects the color reproduction over time.

I look for them but can't find any.

Also I'm rooted since day 1 and using cm10's display settings (like the gamma stuff)

 

[bearxor]

Any particular reason you want all the phones to be the same? I'd rather have a choice and pick the one that suits me. Theres not going to be one experience that suits everyone perfectly, far better to have a variety of implementation and let the user choose.

The only thing I have to say about this, and it's strictly about the Notification LED, is that if it is an OS feature, it should work consistently the same way across every device. Not to say the functionality couldn't be tweaked, but a red solid light on a SGS4 should mean the same thing on a Nexus 4 and a HTC One.

The other thing I have to say about a Notification LED is how hilarious I think it is that it's a requested feature. I say that coming from 6 years of WinMo devices when one of the most requested features in forums was 'How do I turn off my notification LED'. I'm not saying people are wrong for wanting it, just that I find it extremely amusing how much things have changed in 10 years.

 

[Red Storm]

The only thing I have to say about this, and it's strictly about the Notification LED, is that if it is an OS feature, it should work consistently the same way across every device. Not to say the functionality couldn't be tweaked, but a red solid light on a SGS4 should mean the same thing on a Nexus 4 and a HTC One.

As long as the option is there to change it to what I want, I agree that having the defaults be the same across devices would be a good thing.

 

[WelshBloke]

The only thing I have to say about this, and it's strictly about the Notification LED, is that if it is an OS feature, it should work consistently the same way across every device. Not to say the functionality couldn't be tweaked, but a red solid light on a SGS4 should mean the same thing on a Nexus 4 and a HTC One.

That would assume the exact same software is installed on all phones though. What if I use the gmail app and you use the stock email one, should those use different colours? What about if I have both installed?

 

[bearxor]

That would assume the exact same software is installed on all phones though. What if I use the gmail app and you use the stock email one, should those use different colours? What about if I have both installed?

Those decisions should be made by Google. IMO, new email should be one color. It should be that color for every new email received, regardless of the account or application. Texts or IM's should be another color. System alerts should be another.

You should be able to change them, or exclude accounts or apps from using it, but I would simply believe there should be some sort of consistent, uniform default behavior across devices.

I have a feeling that you'll completely disagree with everything I've just said, and that's fine. That opinion is probably why I choose to use an iPhone as my main device. Because there's some things I'd really just rather not worry about.

 

[WelshBloke]

Those decisions should be made by Google. IMO, new email should be one color. It should be that color for every new email received, regardless of the account or application. Texts or IM's should be another color. System alerts should be another.

That would be fine if it was up to Google what I had installed on my phone but it isn't. My wife has 3 different email apps that she uses with several different accounts on some of them. One colour for new emails just wouldn't work for her.

You should be able to change them, or exclude accounts or apps from using it, but I would simply believe there should be some sort of consistent, uniform default behavior across devices.

But how many devices with differing setups do you use at once? Does it matter if someone else's Gmail notification is a different colour to yours?
As the app usage varies massively across android phones you wouldn't get anything like consistent behaviour anyway.

I have a feeling that you'll completely disagree with everything I've just said, and that's fine. That opinion is probably why I choose to use an iPhone as my main device. Because there's some things I'd really just rather not worry about.

What? Having an iPhone stops people from disagreeing with you?
I may have to reconsider getting one.

 

[bearxor]

What? Having an iPhone stops people from disagreeing with you?
I may have to reconsider getting one.

I know you're being a little facetious, but my point here was more of a "Stuff like this is stuff I don't want to have to even think about, which is why iPhone is a better choice for me, since those types of decisions are made for me." But I knew while typing it that you wouldn't agree with how I think it should behave, as you noted in your reply. Like I said, that's fine. That's why there's multiple choices out there. People can use what they like .

I honestly wish Google would assert more control over Android but understand, of course, that Google controlling behaviors in Android kind of defeats the whole purpose of Android.

 

[kpkp]

I look for them but can't find any.

Also I'm rooted since day 1 and using cm10's display settings (like the gamma stuff)

Yes I hidden the nickname, that how noticeable it is...

 

[Ravynmagi]

Someone has been playing too much poker on their phone.

 

[WelshBloke]

... I honestly wish Google would assert more control over Android but understand, of course, that Google controlling behaviors in Android kind of defeats the whole purpose of Android.

Exactly. Theres a few other locked down mobile OSs out there we don't need them all like that.

It's like the argument that because HTC made an aluminium unibody phone then Samsung should as well. How about you just buy the HTC one instead and leave the Samsung one for people who like it that way?

Narrowing of choice because everyone is making the same stuff would be awful. Plus what would people here bicker about?