Moto X (Is Out) [8.01.2013]

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ChronoReverse

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You know, if they had picked the absolute best quality of last year (e.g., the One X's LCD, the GS3's Snapdragon, 2GB of RAM and microSD), with MAXX class battery life and at maximum, the Nexus 4's price, then this might have been worth thinking about. Doubly so if they packed it into a 4.5" frame (can't go much smaller if using the One X's LCD).

As is, it might be stillborn...
 

Ravynmagi

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so this is a rehash of last year's phones with the same components available last year?

It does add two new things. A dedicated language processor and contextual computing processor. This lets you talk to Google Now without touching the phone and it sounds like the contextual computing processor is for that camera shake feature.


I was watching one of Leo LaPorte's podcasts the other day. He went to a Motorola event a week ago and is under NDA. So he's was talking about the Moto X rumors while trying not to break the NDA. And a co-host mentioned she just got an HTC One. And I was surprised that he was strongly hinting that she should return it to get this and that the rumors haven't revealed everything (as of last week anyway).

Unless there is something else we still don't know though, I think Leo LaPorte is freaking crazy to suggest someone should return the HTC One and get a Moto X instead. Seems like a significant downgrade to me. Unless you are a person that likes talking to inanimate objects.
 

T_Yamamoto

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It does add two new things. A dedicated language processor and contextual computing processor. This lets you talk to Google Now without touching the phone and it sounds like the contextual computing processor is for that camera shake feature.


I was watching one of Leo LaPorte's podcasts the other day. He went to a Motorola event a week ago and is under NDA. So he's was talking about the Moto X rumors while trying not to break the NDA. And a co-host mentioned she just got an HTC One. And I was surprised that he was strongly hinting that she should return it to get this and that the rumors haven't revealed everything (as of last week anyway).

Unless there is something else we still don't know though, I think Leo LaPorte is freaking crazy to suggest someone should return the HTC One and get a Moto X instead. Seems like a significant downgrade to me. Unless you are a person that likes talking to inanimate objects.
Could we see ROMs that will allow use of 4 cores, so disabling the 2 cores being used for the language and the other thing, and instead allow usage of 4 cores?
 

shabby

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lemme axe you a question, lemme axe you a question...why is the phone preferable to a year old nexus 4 that is quad core s4 pro while this is only dual core??? for most people with high end phones this isnt going to be an upgrade as far as i can tell

If a 32gb motox is available im dumping my 16gb nexus4 pronto, im sick and tired of moving files onto my pc because im out of space and need to do a cwm backup.
 

SAWYER

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I know for fact I have heard Leo say he doesn't do ndas then he goes and does one.....
 

Ravynmagi

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Could we see ROMs that will allow use of 4 cores, so disabling the 2 cores being used for the language and the other thing, and instead allow usage of 4 cores?

My guess is they are "cores" that are completely different from the dual Krait cores, so doubt they could be used for anything other than what they were designed for.
 

Ravynmagi

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I know for fact I have heard Leo say he doesn't do ndas then he goes and does one.....

According to him he kinda got tricked into it. He was invited to an event and then after he got there was told there was an NDA. And well once you are already there, it's hard to resist and say no to the NDA. So he went along with it despite knowing it would be really hard for him. It's kinda funny watching him trying to keep it in, the poor guy is about to explode.
 

Ravynmagi

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If a 32gb motox is available im dumping my 16gb nexus4 pronto, im sick and tired of moving files onto my pc because im out of space and need to do a cwm backup.

Kinda how I feel. The Moto X doesn't really feel like an upgrade. But the 16GB Nexus 4 has me pulling out my hair. And I'm not sure I have the stomach to pay $600 just to get some more storage space. So I might get a 32GB Moto X.
 

Ravynmagi

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I'm confused why the Motorola and Verizon even made the Droid Ultra. It seems like the Droid Ultra and Moto X are far too similar. Same SoC, same internals, same voice listening feature, same shake camera feature, both have 720p AMOLED displays. Both made by Motorola, and both launching on Verizon in a month. But one costs $300 off contract and the other costs $600 off contract. The Maxx and Mini versions are nice, but those are still $700 and $500 phones too.

I'm puzzled why two very similar phones from the same manufacture, going to the same carrier, arriving just 3 days aparts, but only with different names, a 0.3 inch size difference, and a $300 price difference. Does the Droid have something significant I missed other than the glossy kevlar body (which isn't really a selling point to me)?
 

kaerflog

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I missed that.
I didn't realized the Ultra is 720p.
Motorola is out of their mind.
Releasing a 5" phone after the GS4 and One with a 720p screen.
But I'm one of the few who is really interested in the Moto X.
My days of shelling out $500+ for a phone is over.
 

tuan209

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I'm confused why the Motorola and Verizon even made the Droid Ultra. It seems like the Droid Ultra and Moto X are far too similar. Same SoC, same internals, same voice listening feature, same shake camera feature, both have 720p AMOLED displays. Both made by Motorola, and both launching on Verizon in a month. But one costs $300 off contract and the other costs $600 off contract. The Maxx and Mini versions are nice, but those are still $700 and $500 phones too.

I'm puzzled why two very similar phones from the same manufacture, going to the same carrier, arriving just 3 days aparts, but only with different names, a 0.3 inch size difference, and a $300 price difference. Does the Droid have something significant I missed other than the glossy kevlar body (which isn't really a selling point to me)?

My guess is that Google/Moto probably had to agree to release some "Droid" phones on Verizon, all of which will probably be heavily advertised and populated with Verizon apps. In exchange Google/Moto was allowed to sell the Moto X on Verizon with limited Verizon apps.

The Moto X will probably not be advertised by Verizon and the average consumer will probably go for the Droid line... Just my guess.
 

Hunt3rj2

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You know, if they had picked the absolute best quality of last year (e.g., the One X's LCD, the GS3's Snapdragon, 2GB of RAM and microSD), with MAXX class battery life and at maximum, the Nexus 4's price, then this might have been worth thinking about. Doubly so if they packed it into a 4.5" frame (can't go much smaller if using the One X's LCD).

As is, it might be stillborn...

The GS3 had MSM8960. I don't know if you guys bother following along with SoC specs, but the Droid Ultra/Mini/Maxx and Moto X have an MSM8960T, which is two Krait 300s @ 1.7 GHz and Adreno 320, which is equivalent to APQ8064T with two CPU cores cut out.
 

Ravynmagi

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My guess is that Google/Moto probably had to agree to release some "Droid" phones on Verizon, all of which will probably be heavily advertised and populated with Verizon apps. In exchange Google/Moto was allowed to sell the Moto X on Verizon with limited Verizon apps.

The Moto X will probably not be advertised by Verizon and the average consumer will probably go for the Droid line... Just my guess.

It has been reported that Google is going to spend half a billion dollars to advertise the Moto X. That is more than Apple spends on advertising.
 

Ravynmagi

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The GS3 had MSM8960. I don't know if you guys bother following along with SoC specs, but the Droid Ultra/Mini/Maxx and Moto X have an MSM8960T, which is two Krait 300s @ 1.7 GHz and Adreno 320, which is equivalent to APQ8064T with two CPU cores cut out.

If it was using Krait 300 cores, then wouldn't it be an S400 instead of an S4 Pro? Brian Klug says it's an S4 Pro.
 

Hunt3rj2

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If it was using Krait 300 cores, then wouldn't it be an S400 instead of an S4 Pro? Brian Klug says it's an S4 Pro.

What are you even talking about? S400 doesn't have Adreno 320, only Adreno 305.

This has Krait 300, period. If you really doubt this then send a tweet to @nerdtalker asking about it.
 

Ravynmagi

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What are you even talking about? S400 doesn't have Adreno 320, only Adreno 305.

This has Krait 300, period. If you really doubt this then send a tweet to @nerdtalker asking about it.

The S400 is a dual core Krait 300 with Adreno 305 graphics. And nobody seems to think the Moto X uses an S400. And there was a brief time we hoped it was using an S600 (quad core Krait 300), but that seems to have been proven incorrect.

The rumor is it's just a dual core S4 Pro using the older Krait cores.
 

Crono

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This phone is designed to be the new king of the midrange phones. Google clearly worked to put features in there that will appeal to the greatest number of people via commercial advertisements.

It isn't supposed to beat the flagship $600 phones, so if that's what you were expecting, I'm sorry. The hardware only needs to be good for midrange for it to sell, and provided it's GPe-like, it will probably perform in practice at least as well as the bloated TouchWiz S4 in regular tasks.

Just look at what you can get with the HTC One Mini with lesser hardware vs the regular One: a "close enough" experience (going by many reviews, haven't had a chance to play with a Mini myself) at a lower price point. Extreme enthusiasts may not want "close enough", but I think Motorola is basically making a Nexus-by-another-name device with mass appeal.

I'm surprised to see so many people dismissing the Moto X out of hand after hearing only the specs. True, specs matter, but it's not the only thing that matters. It's possible to have excellent specs and a terrible software experience. I would wait for initial reviews and/or a personal demoing of a unit before making a judgment.
 
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lothar

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This phone is designed to be the new king of the midrange phones. Google clearly worked to put features in there that will appeal to the greatest number of people via commercial advertisements.

It isn't supposed to beat the flagship $600 phones, so if that's what you were expecting, I'm sorry. The hardware only needs to be good for midrange for it to sell, and provided it's GPe-like, it will probably perform in practice at least as well as the bloated TouchWiz S4 in regular tasks.

Just look at what you can get with the HTC One Mini with lesser hardware vs the regular One: a "close enough" experience (going by many reviews, haven't had a chance to play with a Mini myself) at a lower price point. Extreme enthusiasts may not want "close enough", but I think Motorola is basically making a Nexus-by-another-name device with mass appeal.

I'm surprised to see so many people dismissing the Moto X out of hand after hearing only the specs. True, specs matter, but it's not the only thing that matters. It's possible to have excellent specs and a terrible software experience. I would wait for initial reviews and/or a personal demoing of a unit before making a judgment.
I am only dismissing it because I already have almost the same exact specs...in my Nexus 4 at almost the same price, so there's no benefit in me upgrading to it.
If I didn't already have a Nexus 4 or only had low end Android phone, I wouldn't dismiss it so easily.

Neither are mutually exclusive. You don't need to sacrifice one for the other.
Stock Android has an excellent software experience. Sense and TouchWiz? Not so much...

Once again, this phone is an excellent upgrade for those coming from a Galaxy Nexus, or those that considered getting a Galaxy S3 Mini, HTC One Mini, or HTC First.
Anyone thinking about upgrading from a Nexus 4 to this? Forget about it and save your money for a Nexus 5.
 

Crono

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Once again, this phone is an excellent upgrade for those coming from a Galaxy Nexus, or those that considered getting a Galaxy S3 Mini, HTC One Mini, or HTC First.
Anyone thinking about upgrading from a Nexus 4 to this? Forget about it and save your money for a Nexus 5.

I'd agree with that.

This is essentially a Google/Motorola-developed Nexus 4 for the masses. It will probably have some unique Google features (probably beyond the always-on Google Glass type command thing we already know about), but yes, it's pretty much a known quantity as far as hardware and it's not anything too special.

The Nexus 4 is probably the only midrange sub $500 phone that can come close to hanging with the current crop of high end of phones from HTC, LG, Sony, and Samsung, so as long as the Moto X is priced right, I can see a lot of people with older phones looking to upgrade.
 
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OBLAMA2009

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I'm confused why the Motorola and Verizon even made the Droid Ultra. It seems like the Droid Ultra and Moto X are far too similar. Same SoC, same internals, same voice listening feature, same shake camera feature, both have 720p AMOLED displays. Both made by Motorola, and both launching on Verizon in a month. But one costs $300 off contract and the other costs $600 off contract. The Maxx and Mini versions are nice, but those are still $700 and $500 phones too.

I'm puzzled why two very similar phones from the same manufacture, going to the same carrier, arriving just 3 days aparts, but only with different names, a 0.3 inch size difference, and a $300 price difference. Does the Droid have something significant I missed other than the glossy kevlar body (which isn't really a selling point to me)?
Moto x Is for the ghetto masses, ultra is more gangnam, with the custom chip, better screen, kevlar backing etc...if you gave me the choice this instant id take ultra sure for sure
 
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Ravynmagi

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Moto x Is for the ghetto masses, ultra is more gangnam, with the custom chip, better screen, kevlar backing etc...if you gave me the choice this instant id take ultra sure for sure

The screen is slightly larger. But they are both 1280x720 AMOLED displays. The displays appear to be very similar.

Both phones also apparently have the same SoC. Probably not really custom, just a dual core S4 Pro with dedicated language processor and contextual computing processor for the voice commands and camera gestures. The internals are almost identical other than the Maxx version having a huge battery.

And I kinda like the design and matte look of the Moto X over that super glossy kevlar Droid Ultra.

With a price tag of $300 more, I have no idea why anyone would pick the Droid Ultra.
 

Crono

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The screen is slightly larger. But they are both 1280x720 AMOLED displays. The displays appear to be very similar.

Both phones also apparently have the same SoC. Probably not really custom, just a dual core S4 Pro with dedicated language processor and contextual computing processor for the voice commands and camera gestures. The internals are almost identical other than the Maxx version having a huge battery.

And I kinda like the design and matte look of the Moto X over that super glossy kevlar Droid Ultra.

With a price tag of $300 more, I have no idea why anyone would pick the Droid Ultra.

The Ultra sounds like a high-margin concession Motorola made to give Verizon a Droid that they could advertise front and center. I don't know anyone who would get it.
 

VulgarDisplay

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I'll definitely be waiting on reviews for the moto x. I do not want to get raped by motorola and verizon again. I have had to suffer through a droid bionic for the last 2 years just to keep unlimited data. If this is around $300 off contract and is good enough I will finally get rid of the bionic which is just a massive turd.
 
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