Motorcycle in California - Suggestions?

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Vic Vega

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And all those V-Twin bikes the Japanese make... their only emissions are cute little kittens...
 

JulesMaximus

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Look at the moron making the claim and all will become clear. His job is to spread FUD. I don't know of a more intellectually dishonest person on this forum.

Didn't he run and leave the forum for a bit after he got called out in another motorcycle thread?

Oh fuck off. If I made a mistake I'll admit it.

You're just making shit up. Talk about being a dishonest asshole and spreading FUD. Go look at yourself in a mirror you hypocrite. :whiste:
 
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olds

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Why the hell would a Harley, with EFI and catalytic converters magically be somehow especially dirty?

Look, I get that some people don't like Harleys. That's fine. Everyone should ride what they like. But there's no excuse for this sort of ignorant prejudice.

Harley has had closed-loop EFI on all models since 2007 and has been using catalytic converters in the header pipes since 2009. Prior to '09 they were using catalytic converters in the mufflers for CA models for many years. There's absolutely no legitimate basis for you to suggest that a Harley is somehow more polluting than any other modern bike.

ZV
I thought he was referring to the emissions being off gassed by the Harley rider themselves? :whiste:

it's a joke...
 

JulesMaximus

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Why the hell would a Harley, with EFI and catalytic converters magically be somehow especially dirty?

Look, I get that some people don't like Harleys. That's fine. Everyone should ride what they like. But there's no excuse for this sort of ignorant prejudice.

Harley has had closed-loop EFI on all models since 2007 and has been using catalytic converters in the header pipes since 2009. Prior to '09 they were using catalytic converters in the mufflers for CA models for many years. There's absolutely no legitimate basis for you to suggest that a Harley is somehow more polluting than any other modern bike.

ZV

Fine. I took that out of my post.
 

JulesMaximus

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I'll be trying to ride my bike for destinations less than or equal to 5 miles away from where I am. I'll also probably just put my bike in the trunk of my car for wherever I go so I can park somewhere without worrying about paying for it (or getting towed, etc) and then bike the rest.



They might do less, but it's significantly higher than cars (Multiple times higher. Motorcycles in California only do 1% of miles driven but contribute 10% of smog). I might have to get the motorcycle anyway. There's only so long I can actually use my car in California since it doesn't have a California approved catalytic converter. (How do they check? Do they just go under your car and actually look for a stamp of approval or what?)

What car do you have that isn't CA approved? Are they aftermarket cats? Smog check stations will do a visual inspection along with the smog check to make sure your car doesn't have aftermarket parts that may not be legal for use on public roads but sometimes they aren't all that thorough. I had a Mustang GT with Ford Motorsport shorty headers that were not legal and it passed smog with no trouble. That was a few years ago though.
 

CrackRabbit

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I'll be trying to ride my bike for destinations less than or equal to 5 miles away from where I am. I'll also probably just put my bike in the trunk of my car for wherever I go so I can park somewhere without worrying about paying for it (or getting towed, etc) and then bike the rest.



They might do less, but it's significantly higher than cars (Multiple times higher. Motorcycles in California only do 1% of miles driven but contribute 10% of smog). I might have to get the motorcycle anyway. There's only so long I can actually use my car in California since it doesn't have a California approved catalytic converter. (How do they check? Do they just go under your car and actually look for a stamp of approval or what?)

The state doesn't care if your is a "California Emissions" car or not if you bring it in from out of state. As long as it is 50-state emissions certified and passes a tailpipe check you won't have any problems with it.
 

Capt Caveman

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I'll be trying to ride my bike for destinations less than or equal to 5 miles away from where I am. I'll also probably just put my bike in the trunk of my car for wherever I go so I can park somewhere without worrying about paying for it (or getting towed, etc) and then bike the rest.

LA is not a very bike friendly city. When I was planning on moving to LA, I was looking into commuting by bike. Bike lanes and bike friendly streets are very rare to find.
 

TridenT

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LA is not a very bike friendly city. When I was planning on moving to LA, I was looking into commuting by bike. Bike lanes and bike friendly streets are very rare to find.

I'm not worried. As long as there is a road then I'll be fine. Five miles in LA will take maybe twenty minutes. Less time and money than if I took the car. (Parking takes forever)
 

quikah

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The state doesn't care if your is a "California Emissions" car or not if you bring it in from out of state. As long as it is 50-state emissions certified and passes a tailpipe check you won't have any problems with it.

You don't need 50-state emissions certified. As long as it is not new and passes the smog check you are good to go. The emission equipment requirement is only for new cars.
 

Capt Caveman

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I'm not worried. As long as there is a road then I'll be fine. Five miles in LA will take maybe twenty minutes. Less time and money than if I took the car. (Parking takes forever)

I suggest driving around the city with the perspective as a cyclist. I did and it's not something I would desire to do.
 
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Apex

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Don't have a license yet. Don't have a permit yet. However... my crystal ball tells me that those are in my future. So, I figure I may as well start planning to buy a motorcycle.

I'm going to be in San Diego/Los Angeles (And possibly between the two). I would like something that is capable of going 70mph for 3 hours and not exploding thereafter or therein. Able to seat 2 is a plus-ish. (I don't see it happening much, if ever)

It'll mostly be for commuting in Los Angeles. (It's huge and freeways) Saving on money is always nice. Upfront and down the road (Bike's initial cost, fuel, insurance, and so forth). So, suggestions? (Also, I don't know the rules on motorcycles and emissions in California, but I want something that plays nice)

Brother in law is selling his Nightrod Special in Torrance, CA. Seats 2, no problem holding 70mph.



Lemme know if you're interested and I'll put you in contact with him.
 

TridenT

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Brother in law is selling his Nightrod Special in Torrance, CA. Seats 2, no problem holding 70mph.



Lemme know if you're interested and I'll put you in contact with him.

Looks like a nice bike, but way out of my price range.

I suggest driving around the city with the perspective as a cyclist. I did and it's nothing something I would desire to do.

I have. I'm not intimidated. The only thing that could suck is where to lock up my bike at some places.
 

Zenmervolt

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I thought he was referring to the emissions being off gassed by the Harley rider themselves? :whiste:

it's a joke...

Those are just the fumes from using more cans of wax and chrome polish per year than gallons of gasoline.

ZV
 

Greenman

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Brother in law is selling his Nightrod Special in Torrance, CA. Seats 2, no problem holding 70mph.



Lemme know if you're interested and I'll put you in contact with him.

A new rider isn't going to have a fun time with forward controls on a heavy bike with 32 degrees of front end rake. But other than that, the DX is pretty tame, and a darn sharp bike.
 
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manimal

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to be fair to jules hes right in the sense that most harley riders pull off the stock exhaust and run pig rich enough to smell em cominga block away. Not that you couldnt hear them coming from the next county.

take the msf course op and THEN think about a bike.
 

Throckmorton

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Hitting a stick doesn't do anything either.

If you've got a log that's a couple inches in diameter, that's different. But that's big enough to mess up a car too.

Once you're moving, a bike wants to stay upright. It actually takes a pretty sizable bump to put the bikes I've ridden off balance. It's gravel/sand/dirt in a corner that's the real problem.

ZV

The 2" stick might mess up a car, but the car probably won't crash and kill you. What is the survivability of falling at 70mph?
 

JulesMaximus

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The 2" stick might mess up a car, but the car probably won't crash and kill you. What is the survivability of falling at 70mph?

Depends on the crash and the gear you're wearing. The problem isn't sliding across the pavement at 70mph (assuming you're wearing decent gear) it is what is going to stop you. If it is just friction with the pavement you'll probably walk away with some bruising and a rashed bike. If you hit a guardrail, tree, rock, curb, car, etc it will be worse.

Your chances of falling at 70mph are almost nil on a well maintained bike while simply riding down a road though. The 3 biggest causes of accidents and fatalities on motorcycles are riders riding beyond their capabilities, motorists violating the motorcyclist's right of way, and alcohol.

Don't drink and ride, get some training and get your motorcycle endorsement, don't ride beyond your abilities, and constantly be alert to vehicles turning into your path. Follow these rules and you have drastically decreased your chances of an accident.

Bikes don't crash themselves. They are very stable and confidence inspiring. There is a guy on the Ducati Monster forums with over 200,000 miles on his '93 Ducati Monster 900, he's the original owner of that bike. Experience goes a long way toward not becoming a statistic.

Again, a 2" stick isn't going to bring down a bike at 70mph. They had us ride over 2x4s in the MSF course at 25-30mph. I would try to avoid the stick and I have avoided stuff in the road on the freeway. A ladder would probably bring you down but a 2" stick? Not likely. Not if you know how to handle it.
 
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olds

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... The 3 biggest causes of accidents and fatalities on motorcycles are riders riding beyond their capabilities, motorists violating the motorcyclist's right of way, and alcohol...

Just to elaborate on this as I just saw some numbers in my AMA magazine.

Two most common causes of accidents (as Jules said):
Riders go too fast into corners (and don't know how to properly brake)
Motorists violate rider's right of way at intersections.
 

Zenmervolt

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The 2" stick might mess up a car, but the car probably won't crash and kill you. What is the survivability of falling at 70mph?

Unless you slide into a tree or have a car run you over, extremely good assuming that you're not a dipshit and are wearing proper gear.

But considering that motorcycles will stay upright even after hitting a deer, I'm going to go ahead and say that you're a typical non-rider who's overstating the risk of something he knows nothing about.

ZV
 

Apex

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A new rider isn't going to have a fun time with forward controls on a heavy bike with 32 degrees of front end rake. But other than that, the DX is pretty tame, and a darn sharp bike.

It is surprisingly tame, even for relatively new riders. I guess it comes down to purpose. It only has 1700 miles on it or so. He picked up a '12 BMW S1000RR not too long after the Harley and ended up riding that around a lot more, so the Harley has to go.
 

Greenman

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It is surprisingly tame, even for relatively new riders. I guess it comes down to purpose. It only has 1700 miles on it or so. He picked up a '12 BMW S1000RR not too long after the Harley and ended up riding that around a lot more, so the Harley has to go.

I have an 08 D. The same bike as the DX except mine has mids and some chrome. Very tame overall, with enough acceleration to make your knuckles white.
 
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