Mount Everest death sparks outrage

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN
I would have left him too...........

Posting an inflamatory comment with no explanation...

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

What explanation is needed? I would have left him for the same reasons they did........

Oh, because it was more important to make it to the top. Real class act you are.

Hey....whatever you want to think..........

I may have considered putting him out of his misery but idiots like you would just call me a murderer.....

I'm not going to further endanger myself or crew to save a lost cause who knew the risk nor would I put off my chance to summit because I felt bad........

You're a heartless bastard. :thumbsdown::|

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge

Originally posted by: Falcon39

Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge
Some people need to read up on what its actually like to climb Everest. Any body who tried to help him probably would have died also. Its not as simple as walking him down a path. Also, even with O2 being used, your running on about 50% brain power.

He was passed by 40 people. I think between them they could have got him down, but no. They continued to the summit like pricks. And I think Sir Edmund Hillary knows more about climbing Everest than you.

And it happens every year and the only reason people are making a fuss about it is because Sir Edmund Hillary is talking about it People get left to die because they are too far up and too far gone to get down safe. Sir Edmund Hillary was just the first to climb Everest, just like the 1500 people since, he's not god on the subject.

Jon Krakauer has a book called Into Thin Air thats good.

Lets see what his mother has to say.

"Sharp's mother, Linda, was quoted in the Evening Gazette newspaper in Britain as saying that she did not blame other climbers for her son's death.

"Your responsibility is to save yourself - not to try and save anybody else."
"

There is a flaw with that quote from the mother.

The other climbers werent trying to save themselves, but reach the summit. This wasn't about survival for them.

 

[puffff]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN
I would have left him too...........

Posting an inflamatory comment with no explanation...

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

What explanation is needed? I would have left him for the same reasons they did........

Oh, because it was more important to make it to the top. Real class act you are.

Hey....whatever you want to think..........

I may have considered putting him out of his misery but idiots like you would just call me a murderer.....

I'm not going to further endanger myself or crew to save a lost cause who knew the risk nor would I put off my chance to summit because I felt bad........

I agree with RCN, I dont see myself stopping either.

mugs, if you think thats being selfish, I ask you, when you pass homeless people on the side of the street, do you always give them a handout? it's not exactly the same, but it's similar. both got themselves into their situation, i dont feel responsible for getting them out.

 

[SuperSix]

Who fsckin cares?

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: puffff

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN
I would have left him too...........

Posting an inflamatory comment with no explanation...

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

What explanation is needed? I would have left him for the same reasons they did........

Oh, because it was more important to make it to the top. Real class act you are.

Hey....whatever you want to think..........

I may have considered putting him out of his misery but idiots like you would just call me a murderer.....

I'm not going to further endanger myself or crew to save a lost cause who knew the risk nor would I put off my chance to summit because I felt bad........

I agree with RCN, I dont see myself stopping either.

mugs, if you think thats being selfish, I ask you, when you pass homeless people on the side of the street, do you always give them a handout? it's not exactly the same, but it's similar. both got themselves into their situation, i dont feel responsible for getting them out.

:laugh: at that analogy.

One man is dying in a extremely inhospitable evironment, with no hope of making it out alive unless he is helped by others.

The other is begging for food/money on the street.

:roll:

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Meh, can't say that I'm sad about it. If you do life-risking activities don't be surprised when you end up dead.

 

[zanieladie]

The temperature was minus 100 at 7 a.m. on the summit.

WOW!

ANd yes, I think it sucks that he wasn't helped.

 

[JackBurton]

I feel as sorry for that guy as I do when some fvcking moron has to have his limbs amputated because he wanted to climb that mountain. Give me a freakin' break. It is a VERY well know fact that climbing Mount Everest is EXTREMELY dangerous. If you die trying, I don't feel sorry for you. HE made the decision to risk his life and only has HIMSELF to blame. Next time don't go fvcking climbing mountains that you don't need to.

 

[Scarpozzi]

People who fear death don't climb Everest. The percentage chance of dying on that expedition is higher than people think.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: puffff

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN
I would have left him too...........

Posting an inflamatory comment with no explanation...

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

What explanation is needed? I would have left him for the same reasons they did........

Oh, because it was more important to make it to the top. Real class act you are.

Hey....whatever you want to think..........

I may have considered putting him out of his misery but idiots like you would just call me a murderer.....

I'm not going to further endanger myself or crew to save a lost cause who knew the risk nor would I put off my chance to summit because I felt bad........

I agree with RCN, I dont see myself stopping either.

mugs, if you think thats being selfish, I ask you, when you pass homeless people on the side of the street, do you always give them a handout? it's not exactly the same, but it's similar. both got themselves into their situation, i dont feel responsible for getting them out.

:laugh: at that analogy.

One man is dying in a extremely inhospitable evironment, with no hope of making it out alive unless he is helped by others.

The other is begging for food/money on the street.

:roll:

It's as good analogy as any other. If you want to look at it in a different way, the "everest" man was wealthy enough to undertake this expensive expedition, furthermore he knew the risks and should have been prepared for the consequences. A homeless man could have ended up on the street because of medical bills or because he was laid off. Who knows. In this situation helping homeless would make a bigger man IMO. Do you feel sorry for drunk drivers who kill themselves? I certainly don't, I think it's good riddance. They know the risk of driving drunk yet they still go behind the wheel. Same here.


Anyway, the point is the guy knew what he was about to do and the risks. If he couldn't accept the consequences he shouldn't have attempted it in the first place. What would be the f**king point of climbing the mountain if it was perfectly safe? It's the fact that it's dangerous and that not everybody makes it back alive that's making it so tempting. It's you versus the nature. In this case nature won. End of story.

 

[erub]

David Sharp, 34, died apparently of oxygen deficiency while descending from the summit during a solo climb last week.

com'on, you're not going to sit here and tell me that this guy wasn't trying to prove that he had the biggest kahones around..

he didnt even bother to bring a sherpa for his own protection - should we feel sorry for him because he couldn't afford one? </sarcasm>

Inglis said that there was virtually no hope that he could be carried to safety

Another point, he had already made it to his goal, the summit, should others really have stopped from their goal for a fruitless endeavour (rescuing him) that might get them killed? Climbing Everest is an incredibly expensive and rare opportunity, its not like if they came down, that they could do it again the next day

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: puffff

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN
I would have left him too...........

Posting an inflamatory comment with no explanation...

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

What explanation is needed? I would have left him for the same reasons they did........

Oh, because it was more important to make it to the top. Real class act you are.

Hey....whatever you want to think..........

I may have considered putting him out of his misery but idiots like you would just call me a murderer.....

I'm not going to further endanger myself or crew to save a lost cause who knew the risk nor would I put off my chance to summit because I felt bad........

I agree with RCN, I dont see myself stopping either.

mugs, if you think thats being selfish, I ask you, when you pass homeless people on the side of the street, do you always give them a handout? it's not exactly the same, but it's similar. both got themselves into their situation, i dont feel responsible for getting them out.

:laugh: at that analogy.

One man is dying in a extremely inhospitable evironment, with no hope of making it out alive unless he is helped by others.

The other is begging for food/money on the street.

:roll:

It's as good analogy as any other. If you want to look at it in a different way, the "everest" man was wealthy enough to undertake this expensive expedition, furthermore he knew the risks and should have been prepared for the consequences. A homeless man could have ended up on the street because of medical bills or because he was laid off. Who knows. In this situation helping homeless would make a bigger man IMO. Do you feel sorry for drunk drivers who kill themselves? I certainly don't, I think it's good riddance. They know the risk of driving drunk yet they still go behind the wheel. Same here.


Anyway, the point is the guy knew what he was about to do and the risks. If he couldn't accept the consequences he shouldn't have attempted it in the first place. What would be the f**king point of climbing the mountain if it was perfectly safe? It's the fact that it's dangerous and that not everybody makes it back alive that's making it so tempting. It's you versus the nature. In this case nature won. End of story.

I agree with you there.

I don't feel sorry for the guy really. Like others have said, he had to know that climbing Everest is extremely dangerous. Also, a solo climb of Everest? WTF.

So yeah...but I still don't understand the other climbers.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
People who fear death don't climb Everest. The percentage chance of dying on that expedition is higher than people think.

According to the article, it's about 12%.

I don't think it's admirable to climb this summit when these sherpas don't seem to have much of a problem.

I also think it's ridiculous that they didn't do everything they could to save him.

 

[0]

HE's ALIVE!

 

[JDrake]

Originally posted by: 0
HE's ALIVE!

O RLY?

 

[0]

Originally posted by: JDrake

Originally posted by: 0
HE's ALIVE!

O RLY?

REALLY.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: HN
"death sparks"? :Q

My level 9 wizard can cast those.

 

[BoomerD]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060527/en...gaccidenteverestaustralia_060527130903
"In an astonishing feat of survival, an Australian mountaineer left for dead shortly after conquering the summit of Mount Everest has been found alive and walked back to base camp in "reasonably good" condition, a colleague said.

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Lincoln Hall, 50, had been reported dead by his expedition teammates after reaching the 8,848-meter (29,028-feet) summit of Everest on Thursday but then succumbing to acute altitude sickness as he began his descent.

Hall, one of Australia's most experienced climbers, became disoriented, lay down in the snow and resisted attempts by accompanying sherpas to help him, according to an account of the incident posted on the Internet by his expedition leader, Alexander Abramov.

The two sherpas with Hall were forced to leave him behind when they ran out of oxygen and Abramov issued a statement Friday that the Australian was dead.

But another team of climbers led by American Dan Mazur came upon Hall several hours later and found the Australian alive.

Mazur radioed the news back to camp and in a rescue operation involving about a dozen sherpas and a Russian doctor, Hall was brought to safety.

Duncan Chessell, another Australian climber who organises mountaineering expeditions, said one of his guides on Everest informed him Hall had spent the night in a heated tent at North Col camp, at 7,000 meters altitude.

He was then able to walk Saturday morning into the advanced base camp, which is at 6,400 meters, he told the Australian national news agency AAP.

"He's in reasonably good condition but he doesn't have much memory of things at this stage," Chessell said.

"Basically he's been able to come down under his own steam, without assistance," he said.

"I imagine he got up in the morning after being treated with oxygen and hydration and left (North Col)."

Hall still faces a 22 kilometer (14 mile) trek across loose rocks and ice to reach the Everest base camp at 5,000 meters.

Abramov said earlier on an Everest news website that Hall was suffering "acute psychosis, a disorientation in space" and had been resisting efforts to help him.

He was diagnosed as suffering from acute edema of a brain, a frequently fatal swelling of the brain that occurs at extremely high altitudes.

Hall, who lost several toes to frostbite on an earlier climb, was also said to be again suffering from frostbite.

He was a member of the first Australian team to climb Mount Everest in 1984, but had to stop short of the summit.

He also served as a director of the Australian Himalayan Foundation and was the author of several books, including "First Ascent" and "The Life of an Explorer", and numerous magazine articles.

His second, and now apparently successful, assault on Everest was part of an expedition that included 15-year-old Sydney boy Christopher Harris, who was aiming to become the youngest person to climb the mountain.

Harris turned back short of the summit because of respiratory problems, but Hall continued with a team of sherpas.

Another member of the same expedition, Thomas Weber from Germany, who was visually impaired, stopped 50 meters (165 feet) short of the summit after his sight failed and died during the descent.

The initial decision to leave Hall on the mountain and the erroneous reports of his death are likely to revive debate about the ethics and practices of the high-priced Everest expeditions.



Last week a British climber, David Sharp, 34, died on Everest after being passed by up to 40 climbers who said they were unable to help him.

Sir Edmund Hillary, the first man to conquer Everest, joined in a raging controversy over the incident, sharply criticising the climbers who left Sharp to die.

 

[Number1]

12% chance of dying to start with. A person would raise his chance of dying SIGNIFICANTLY if he tried to bring down another person.

The article also mention that 3 other climbers died THIS week on that mountain.
I would have left the poor FKR there to.

 

[SithSolo1]

Talk about cold hearted bastards. :|

 

[JDrake]

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
Talk about cold hearted bastards. :|

Pun intended?

 

[Svnla]

If a person decides to climb Mt. Everest, he/she knows that it is very risky. It is NOT like they climb the mountain to find the cure for AIDS or cancer. They climb it for the glory/their own reasons/personal goals and not to help/save humankind or do any common good.

While I feel bad that no one did help that guy, but no one pulled a gun on anyone to climb that mountain. DO IT ON YOUR OWN RISK <even death>.

 

[SithSolo1]

Originally posted by: JDrake

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
Talk about cold hearted bastards. :|

Pun intended?

Possibly

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: notfred

More than 1,500 climbers have reached the summit of Mount Everest in the last 53 years and some 190 have died trying.

Damn. You have greater than a 1/10 chance of dying if you try to climb that mountain.

 

[dbk]

It's really sad that nothing was even attempted to save this man's life.