Mount Everest death sparks outrage

[Reel]

That mountain is dangerous.

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Those people are despicable. How do you put anything other than your own survival above that of another human being? :|

Most likely none of you will ever experience neg 100 or attempt climbing Mt. Everest.

Where does being a Good Samaritan end and looking out for yourself come first? This guy on the mountain knew the risks when he began his ascent. Anyone crazy enough to climb Everest gets no sympathy from me when they die reguardless of if 40, 400, 4000, or 40,000 people walked past them. I would have kept walking too.

These people were probably freezing and just wanted to get to the top so they could finish and then start back down and get warm again.......................they knew the risks as did the guy they crossed.......

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN
I would have left him too...........

Posting an inflamatory comment with no explanation...

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

What explanation is needed? I would have left him for the same reasons they did........

Oh, because it was more important to make it to the top. Real class act you are.

Ummm yes. Have you climbed Everest? Now that you know 10's of people are dying up there every year don't you think you should train up and go live up there. You could be like the Good Samaritan of the mountain..............if not- you're just as guilty because you know something is happening yet you're doing nothing............

When you climb something like Everest you're responsible for yourself and that's it. It's all a human is capable of at that altitude..........

 

[aidanjm]

even if you knew you couldn't save the guy, wouldn't you want to just sit with him and comfort him in his dying moments? I cannot even begin to imagine how you can leave someone to die alone, while you continue on your merry way to the top of the mountain.

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RCN
I would have left him too...........

Posting an inflamatory comment with no explanation...

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

What explanation is needed? I would have left him for the same reasons they did........

Oh, because it was more important to make it to the top. Real class act you are.

Hey....whatever you want to think..........

I may have considered putting him out of his misery but idiots like you would just call me a murderer.....

I'm not going to further endanger myself or crew to save a lost cause who knew the risk nor would I put off my chance to summit because I felt bad........

So if you were dying on a mountain and people just continued onward, you wouldn't have a problem with that? You need serious help if you think that's okay.

Of course he'd have a problem with it when he's up there dying. The point is- he knows the risk and has chosen not to do it. The guy who died knew the risks and accepted them. It was his decision to put his life in danger for the thrill of reaching the summit. He failed............I'll be damned if I climb 28,000 feet in neg 100 to save an idiot who knew the risks beforehand........

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: hysperion

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Those people are despicable. How do you put anything other than your own survival above that of another human being? :|

Most likely none of you will ever experience neg 100 or attempt climbing Mt. Everest.

Where does being a Good Samaritan end and looking out for yourself come first? This guy on the mountain knew the risks when he began his ascent. Anyone crazy enough to climb Everest gets no sympathy from me when they die reguardless of if 40, 400, 4000, or 40,000 people walked past them. I would have kept walking too.

These people were probably freezing and just wanted to get to the top so they could finish and then start back down and get warm again.......................they knew the risks as did the guy they crossed.......

No way. This is a sickening attitude, and I don't think a decent person could have it. It would be one thing to continue descending if you were unable to help this guy, but to continue to the summit after walking by him is disgusting IMO. I don't know how you'd live with yourself.

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: hysperion

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Those people are despicable. How do you put anything other than your own survival above that of another human being? :|

Most likely none of you will ever experience neg 100 or attempt climbing Mt. Everest.

Where does being a Good Samaritan end and looking out for yourself come first? This guy on the mountain knew the risks when he began his ascent. Anyone crazy enough to climb Everest gets no sympathy from me when they die reguardless of if 40, 400, 4000, or 40,000 people walked past them. I would have kept walking too.

These people were probably freezing and just wanted to get to the top so they could finish and then start back down and get warm again.......................they knew the risks as did the guy they crossed.......

No way. This is a sickening attitude, and I don't think a decent person could have it. It would be one thing to continue descending if you were unable to help this guy, but to continue to the summit after walking by him is disgusting IMO. I don't know how you'd live with yourself.

So you're saying that out of all 40 of those people not a single one of them was a decent person? Alot to assume when you're sitting in your climate controlled room on your pc pretending to be Don the Mountain Samaritan.........rather than freezing @ 28,000 feet..........

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: hysperion

So you're saying that out of all 40 of those people not a single one of them was a decent person? Alot to assume when you're sitting in your climate controlled room on your pc pretending to be Don the Mountain Samaritan.........rather than freezing @ 28,000 feet..........

I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt, in that they were presumably not thinking clearly in -100 temperatures and low-oxygen conditions. I think it's despicable to take this attitude after the fact, in the light of day, so to speak. Sir Edmund Hillary apparently has even less tolerance of what happened than I do, and he of all people must understand the hunger to make it up the mountain. If 40 people could make it 1000 feet vertical to the summit after walking past Mr. Sharp, I find it very hard to believe they couldn't have at least helped him down to lower altitudes.

 

[Bolvangar]

I've climed everest..... here's my .02....

Everyone saying they would have helped him....all I can say is go climb your way to 28k and let me know what you think then?
At 28,000 feet, it's hard enough to care for yourself, moving 1 foot in front of the other becomes a task like no other, spend enough time up there and doing something as easy as tieing your boots becomes a difficult task. There are not many people on this planet with the conditioning to take themself and another person down from 28,000 feet.

I'm not saying I wouldn't stop and see what was going on, see if there was anything I could offer the guy, however the chance of us making it down if I tried to help him down are virtually zero.
Most of the climbers of the 40 person group were most likely rather inexperienced to be climbing everest, as much of the people who climb it are. I've climbed my whole life, I've guided trips on 5 different continents, so I'd say I'm in pretty good shape and I can tell you without a doubt that even I as a rather experienced climber could have done NOTHING for him.

Even stopping to see how he is doing is a fair risk in itself. Stop for any period of time in those temperatures and you will start to freeze your ass off, trust me I know. The balance of moving slowly, but rarely stopping is something to be taken seriously at those altitudes and temperatures. They call it the death zone for a reason, it's well known among climbers that once you reach it you are on your own.

Maybe some of you can now understand why some people didn't even stop, I would not be one of those, but to some people stopping to try to help a guy thats pretty much allready dead isn't worth risking your own life over.

People who climb Everest know the risks associated with it, and shouldn't be there in the first place if their not willing to accept the possible out come. I've risked my life to climb the mountain, and I'd happily do it again. You have to be a climber to understand.

Edit: By the way, Into Thin Air is a good book to read on Everest. Rob Hall, one of the worlds best, most experienced, strongest climbers died on the mountain trying to rescue people. It's a pretty good book for anyone interested in climbing or everest.

 

[dugweb]

The dying climber was stupid for doing a "solo" climb. I cannot believe that someone would even consider attempting to climb Everest by themself. The consequence was to be expected.

None of us (i believe) understand the situation well enough to pass judgement on the other climbers. Though, we can agree that it is a terrible thing for a person(s) to pass a dying man for goal to bring personal satisfaction.

Edit: Bolvangar sounds like he is in the best position to comment

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Bolvangar
I've climed everest..... here's my .02....

Everyone saying they would have helped him....all I can say is go climb your way to 28k and let me know what you think then?
At 28,000 feet, it's hard enough to care for yourself, moving 1 foot in front of the other becomes a task like no other, spend enough time up there and doing something as easy as tieing your boots becomes a difficult task. There are not many people on this planet with the conditioning to take themself and another person down from 28,000 feet.

I'm not saying I wouldn't stop and see what was going on, see if there was anything I could offer the guy, however the chance of us making it down if I tried to help him down are virtually zero.
Most of the climbers of the 40 person group were most likely rather inexperienced to be climbing everest, as much of the people who climb it are. I've climbed my whole life, I've guided trips on 5 different continents, so I'd say I'm in pretty good shape and I can tell you without a doubt that even I as a rather experienced climber could have done NOTHING for him.

Even stopping to see how he is doing is a fair risk in itself. Stop for any period of time in those temperatures and you will start to freeze your ass off, trust me I know. The balance of moving slowly, but rarely stopping is something to be taken seriously at those altitudes and temperatures. They call it the death zone for a reason, it's well known among climbers that once you reach it you are on your own.

Maybe some of you can now understand why some people didn't even stop, I would not be one of those, but to some people stopping to try to help a guy thats pretty much allready dead isn't worth risking your own life over.

People who climb Everest know the risks associated with it, and shouldn't be there in the first place if their not willing to accept the possible out come. I've risked my life to climb the mountain, and I'd happily do it again. You have to be a climber to understand.

Fascinating information.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Bolvangar
I've climed everest..... here's my .02....

Everyone saying they would have helped him....all I can say is go climb your way to 28k and let me know what you think then?
At 28,000 feet, it's hard enough to care for yourself, moving 1 foot in front of the other becomes a task like no other, spend enough time up there and doing something as easy as tieing your boots becomes a difficult task. There are not many people on this planet with the conditioning to take themself and another person down from 28,000 feet.

I'm not saying I wouldn't stop and see what was going on, see if there was anything I could offer the guy, however the chance of us making it down if I tried to help him down are virtually zero.
Most of the climbers of the 40 person group were most likely rather inexperienced to be climbing everest, as much of the people who climb it are. I've climbed my whole life, I've guided trips on 5 different continents, so I'd say I'm in pretty good shape and I can tell you without a doubt that even I as a rather experienced climber could have done NOTHING for him.

Even stopping to see how he is doing is a fair risk in itself. Stop for any period of time in those temperatures and you will start to freeze your ass off, trust me I know. The balance of moving slowly, but rarely stopping is something to be taken seriously at those altitudes and temperatures. They call it the death zone for a reason, it's well known among climbers that once you reach it you are on your own.

Maybe some of you can now understand why some people didn't even stop, I would not be one of those, but to some people stopping to try to help a guy thats pretty much allready dead isn't worth risking your own life over.

People who climb Everest know the risks associated with it, and shouldn't be there in the first place if their not willing to accept the possible out come. I've risked my life to climb the mountain, and I'd happily do it again. You have to be a climber to understand.

What side did you climb? Oh, and what year?

Edit: The reason I ask is because I pretty much don't believe you. Reason being that your Myspace Page lists you as being 20: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ion=user.viewprofile&friendid=35326806

The youngest American to summit Everest was 21 and that happened in 2003. Are you alleging to have broken the record? Secondly, I can find no mention in any of the Everest databases of a Chris your age having scaled Everest. Especially not with a last name starting with a B.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_climbing_Mount_Everest

So, basically, you are a liar.

 

[Bolvangar]

I climbed the northeast ridge from tibet. June of last year.
I would not climb from nepal even if the climb was free, too many idiots that dont know what there doing over there. There are literally lines up the mountain on that side on good weather days.

 

[Savarak]

what does sharp himself have to say about it? apparently he lived?

 

[Savarak]

oops nevermind diff person

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Bolvangar
I climbed the northeast ridge from tibet. June of last year.
I would not climb from nepal even if the climb was free, too many idiots that dont know what there doing over there. There are literally lines up the mountain on that side on good weather days.

You are entirely full of sh!t. Otherwise you've broken a record and yet there's nary a mention of a Chris at age 19 or even 20 making that climb.

 

[Bolvangar]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Bolvangar
I climbed the northeast ridge from tibet. June of last year.
I would not climb from nepal even if the climb was free, too many idiots that dont know what there doing over there. There are literally lines up the mountain on that side on good weather days.

You are entirely full of sh!t. Otherwise you've broken a record and yet there's nary a mention of a Chris at age 19 or even 20 making that climb.

1. Thats not my myspace, never have and never will have a myspace, sorry.
2. I'm 27
3. Your wikipedia only lists major accomlishments on the mountain, there is no accurate database of every person that has climbed on the internet that I have ever seen.
4. I have better things to do than post bullshit about climbing mountains, I'd be happy to send you pics of me on top when I get back home. Currently out of town.

heading to bed, but if you really feel a need for proof, please pm me and i will send you evidence once i return home.

 

[Bolvangar]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Bolvangar
I've climed everest..... here's my .02....

Everyone saying they would have helped him....all I can say is go climb your way to 28k and let me know what you think then?
At 28,000 feet, it's hard enough to care for yourself, moving 1 foot in front of the other becomes a task like no other, spend enough time up there and doing something as easy as tieing your boots becomes a difficult task. There are not many people on this planet with the conditioning to take themself and another person down from 28,000 feet.

I'm not saying I wouldn't stop and see what was going on, see if there was anything I could offer the guy, however the chance of us making it down if I tried to help him down are virtually zero.
Most of the climbers of the 40 person group were most likely rather inexperienced to be climbing everest, as much of the people who climb it are. I've climbed my whole life, I've guided trips on 5 different continents, so I'd say I'm in pretty good shape and I can tell you without a doubt that even I as a rather experienced climber could have done NOTHING for him.

Even stopping to see how he is doing is a fair risk in itself. Stop for any period of time in those temperatures and you will start to freeze your ass off, trust me I know. The balance of moving slowly, but rarely stopping is something to be taken seriously at those altitudes and temperatures. They call it the death zone for a reason, it's well known among climbers that once you reach it you are on your own.

Maybe some of you can now understand why some people didn't even stop, I would not be one of those, but to some people stopping to try to help a guy thats pretty much allready dead isn't worth risking your own life over.

People who climb Everest know the risks associated with it, and shouldn't be there in the first place if their not willing to accept the possible out come. I've risked my life to climb the mountain, and I'd happily do it again. You have to be a climber to understand.

What side did you climb? Oh, and what year?

Edit: The reason I ask is because I pretty much don't believe you. Reason being that your Myspace Page lists you as being 20: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ion=user.viewprofile&friendid=35326806

The youngest American to summit Everest was 21 and that happened in 2003. Are you alleging to have broken the record? Secondly, I can find no mention in any of the Everest databases of a Chris your age having scaled Everest. Especially not with a last name starting with a B.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_climbing_Mount_Everest

So, basically, you are a liar.

By the way, your info is incorrect.
Jess was 20.

http://climb.mountainzone.com/everest/2003/html/sp-generations.html

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Bolvangar

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Bolvangar
I climbed the northeast ridge from tibet. June of last year.
I would not climb from nepal even if the climb was free, too many idiots that dont know what there doing over there. There are literally lines up the mountain on that side on good weather days.

You are entirely full of sh!t. Otherwise you've broken a record and yet there's nary a mention of a Chris at age 19 or even 20 making that climb.

1. Thats not my myspace, never have and never will have a myspace, sorry.
2. I'm 27
3. I have better things to do than post bullshit about climbing mountains, I'd be happy to send you pics of me on top when I get back home. Currently out of town.

So, it is just a coincidence that someone named Chris who lives in Florida uses the name Bolvangar on this forum and on Myspace, both are interested in mountain-climbing, says his interests are: "Rock Climbing, Mountaineering, Mountain/Road Biking..." Claims a goal is: "Goal You Would Like To Achieve This Year: How about 2 years? K2....." "How do you want to Die: On a mountain... in the himalaya's"

Or:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1753966&enterthread=y&arctab=y

In which you talk about going to Argentina for Christmas, and strangely enough there's a blog post on your Myspace talking about the same thing.

Long link

"Wednesday, January 04, 2006

Back from Argentina

Well after sleeping for the past 24 hours i'm finally back and in a conscious state haha.

Had a ****** blast in Argentina, have about 2 gigs worth of pictures. The food was awesome, I was eating 4 dollar filet's over there that were about 3x the size of any you'd get here. The women over there are freakin beautiful, even better than Russia.

New years was great, the hyatt had a big party and like an 8 course meal, ryan (our camera guy) and I pimped some hot polka dot shirts and got some nice looks from all the old people there. Open bar all night long. I met this really awesome girl from spain on new years. Sucks we both had to go our seperate ways and go home =(

Gonna go through some of the pics now, so thats it, i'm back. give me a call!"

Or here where you claim to be going to Amsterdam in 3 weeks, which again, just happens to match up with the Blog. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1826725&enterthread=y

"Lucas and I found some dirt cheap 500 dollar round trip tickets to europe so it looks like were going! SCORE. The plan is as follows -

April 7th, leave miami.
April 8th, arrive madrid, spain. take overnight train to paris france.
April 9th, arrive paris, france.
April 10th, hang out in paris.
April 11th, head to brussles, stay the night.
April 12th, head to amsterdam
April 13th, hang out in amsterdam
April 14th, head to zurich, switzerland.
April 15th, overnight train to barcelona, spain.
April 16th, hang out in barcelona for the day, head to madrid.
April 17th, arrive madrid.
April 18th, leave madrid, back to miami =(

4 countries, 11 days!

hopefully my new friend that lives in spain that speaks like 7 different languages will be joining us so we will have someone to translate!

EUROTRIP!"

Or these threads in which you claim to live in/near Naples:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1690442&enterthread=y&arctab=y

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1374535&enterthread=y&arctab=y

Which is funny considering the "Myspace" you don't have has its location listed as Estero, Florida which is 20 miles from Naples.


Quit lying kid

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Bolvangar

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Bolvangar
I've climed everest..... here's my .02....

Everyone saying they would have helped him....all I can say is go climb your way to 28k and let me know what you think then?
At 28,000 feet, it's hard enough to care for yourself, moving 1 foot in front of the other becomes a task like no other, spend enough time up there and doing something as easy as tieing your boots becomes a difficult task. There are not many people on this planet with the conditioning to take themself and another person down from 28,000 feet.

I'm not saying I wouldn't stop and see what was going on, see if there was anything I could offer the guy, however the chance of us making it down if I tried to help him down are virtually zero.
Most of the climbers of the 40 person group were most likely rather inexperienced to be climbing everest, as much of the people who climb it are. I've climbed my whole life, I've guided trips on 5 different continents, so I'd say I'm in pretty good shape and I can tell you without a doubt that even I as a rather experienced climber could have done NOTHING for him.

Even stopping to see how he is doing is a fair risk in itself. Stop for any period of time in those temperatures and you will start to freeze your ass off, trust me I know. The balance of moving slowly, but rarely stopping is something to be taken seriously at those altitudes and temperatures. They call it the death zone for a reason, it's well known among climbers that once you reach it you are on your own.

Maybe some of you can now understand why some people didn't even stop, I would not be one of those, but to some people stopping to try to help a guy thats pretty much allready dead isn't worth risking your own life over.

People who climb Everest know the risks associated with it, and shouldn't be there in the first place if their not willing to accept the possible out come. I've risked my life to climb the mountain, and I'd happily do it again. You have to be a climber to understand.

What side did you climb? Oh, and what year?

Edit: The reason I ask is because I pretty much don't believe you. Reason being that your Myspace Page lists you as being 20: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ion=user.viewprofile&friendid=35326806

The youngest American to summit Everest was 21 and that happened in 2003. Are you alleging to have broken the record? Secondly, I can find no mention in any of the Everest databases of a Chris your age having scaled Everest. Especially not with a last name starting with a B.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_climbing_Mount_Everest

So, basically, you are a liar.

By the way, your info is incorrect.
Jess was 20.

http://climb.mountainzone.com/everest/2003/html/sp-generations.html

Doesn't really matter since you aren't him and you haven't climbed Everest.

 

[KingofCamelot]

:Q Remind me not to lie to Mill...

 

[Yossarian]

hehe this is great

 

[cbcjs]

<-----pulls up a chair..

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: DonVito
No way. This is a sickening attitude, and I don't think a decent person could have it. It would be one thing to continue descending if you were unable to help this guy, but to continue to the summit after walking by him is disgusting IMO. I don't know how you'd live with yourself.

In both cases the idiot climber ends up dead. The only difference is that in one case the group wastes their money and in the other case they don't.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: DonVito
No way. This is a sickening attitude, and I don't think a decent person could have it. It would be one thing to continue descending if you were unable to help this guy, but to continue to the summit after walking by him is disgusting IMO. I don't know how you'd live with yourself.

In both cases the idiot climber ends up dead. The only difference is that in one case the group wastes their money and in the other case they don't.

JLGatsby, is that you?