Mount Everest death sparks outrage

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Beev

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I saw on the news this morning that the guy is actually alive...
 

JEDIYoda

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YES--the guy survived....In fact i think he made the descent all by himself...

They say what saved his ass was that the tent was heated..
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
YES--the guy survived....In fact i think he made the descent all by himself...

They say what saved his ass was that the tent was heated..

David Sharp is dead. The Aussie lived, but David Sharp died.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: HN
Originally posted by: notfred
More than 1,500 climbers have reached the summit of Mount Everest in the last 53 years and some 190 have died trying.

Damn. You have greater than a 1/10 chance of dying if you try to climb that mountain.

there's something wrong with this math.

Yes, it assumes that everyone who has tried has either reached the summit or died. It doesn't take into account the people who gave up...
 

hysperion

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Bolvangar
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Bolvangar
I climbed the northeast ridge from tibet. June of last year.
I would not climb from nepal even if the climb was free, too many idiots that dont know what there doing over there. There are literally lines up the mountain on that side on good weather days.

You are entirely full of sh!t. Otherwise you've broken a record and yet there's nary a mention of a Chris at age 19 or even 20 making that climb.


1. Thats not my myspace, never have and never will have a myspace, sorry.
2. I'm 27
3. I have better things to do than post bullshit about climbing mountains, I'd be happy to send you pics of me on top when I get back home. Currently out of town.

So, it is just a coincidence that someone named Chris who lives in Florida uses the name Bolvangar on this forum and on Myspace, both are interested in mountain-climbing, says his interests are: "Rock Climbing, Mountaineering, Mountain/Road Biking..." Claims a goal is: "Goal You Would Like To Achieve This Year: How about 2 years? K2....." "How do you want to Die: On a mountain... in the himalaya's"

Or:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1753966&enterthread=y&arctab=y

In which you talk about going to Argentina for Christmas, and strangely enough there's a blog post on your Myspace talking about the same thing.

Long link

"Wednesday, January 04, 2006

Back from Argentina

Well after sleeping for the past 24 hours i'm finally back and in a conscious state haha.

Had a ****** blast in Argentina, have about 2 gigs worth of pictures. The food was awesome, I was eating 4 dollar filet's over there that were about 3x the size of any you'd get here. The women over there are freakin beautiful, even better than Russia.

New years was great, the hyatt had a big party and like an 8 course meal, ryan (our camera guy) and I pimped some hot polka dot shirts and got some nice looks from all the old people there. Open bar all night long. I met this really awesome girl from spain on new years. Sucks we both had to go our seperate ways and go home =(

Gonna go through some of the pics now, so thats it, i'm back. give me a call!"

Or here where you claim to be going to Amsterdam in 3 weeks, which again, just happens to match up with the Blog. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1826725&enterthread=y

"Lucas and I found some dirt cheap 500 dollar round trip tickets to europe so it looks like were going! SCORE. The plan is as follows -

April 7th, leave miami.
April 8th, arrive madrid, spain. take overnight train to paris france.
April 9th, arrive paris, france.
April 10th, hang out in paris.
April 11th, head to brussles, stay the night.
April 12th, head to amsterdam
April 13th, hang out in amsterdam
April 14th, head to zurich, switzerland.
April 15th, overnight train to barcelona, spain.
April 16th, hang out in barcelona for the day, head to madrid.
April 17th, arrive madrid.
April 18th, leave madrid, back to miami =(

4 countries, 11 days!

hopefully my new friend that lives in spain that speaks like 7 different languages will be joining us so we will have someone to translate!

EUROTRIP!"

Or these threads in which you claim to live in/near Naples:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1690442&enterthread=y&arctab=y

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1374535&enterthread=y&arctab=y

Which is funny considering the "Myspace" you don't have has its location listed as Estero, Florida which is 20 miles from Naples.


Quit lying kid

Would have been even more hilarious if you had waited to get the pictures from him where he steals someone else's accomplishment lol...............

Bovanger "you win the prize"!
 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: notfred
More than 1,500 climbers have reached the summit of Mount Everest in the last 53 years and some 190 have died trying.

Damn. You have greater than a 1/10 chance of dying if you try to climb that mountain.

Beep, wrong.


If 1500 have reached the summit, 190 have died trying, you cant figure the odds until you see how many have TRIED to climb the mountain. I would be more likely to believe 19,000 have tried, so that would put it down to 1/100
 

Babbles

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Originally posted by: dugweb
now the myspace account says "cancelled or deleted"

interesting...

LOL, yeah it mysteriously disappeared!

Definitely in the running for ownage of the year.
 

DAPUNISHER

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Originally posted by: Bolvangar



4. I have better things to do than post bullshit about climbing mountains.
Evidently not. :disgust:

 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge
Originally posted by: Falcon39
Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge
Some people need to read up on what its actually like to climb Everest. Any body who tried to help him probably would have died also. Its not as simple as walking him down a path. Also, even with O2 being used, your running on about 50% brain power.

He was passed by 40 people. I think between them they could have got him down, but no. They continued to the summit like pricks. And I think Sir Edmund Hillary knows more about climbing Everest than you.

And it happens every year and the only reason people are making a fuss about it is because Sir Edmund Hillary is talking about it People get left to die because they are too far up and too far gone to get down safe. Sir Edmund Hillary was just the first to climb Everest, just like the 1500 people since, he's not god on the subject.

Jon Krakauer has a book called Into Thin Air thats good.

Lets see what his mother has to say.

"Sharp's mother, Linda, was quoted in the Evening Gazette newspaper in Britain as saying that she did not blame other climbers for her son's death.

"Your responsibility is to save yourself - not to try and save anybody else."
"

There is a flaw with that quote from the mother.

The other climbers werent trying to save themselves, but reach the summit. This wasn't about survival for them.


1000 feet from the top of a bigass mountain with -100 degrees and a low oxygen environment, and you are telling us that it wasnt about survival for them? I honestly have no clue, but it would seem like every minute spent in those conditions is a fight for survival, and stopping to save someone might tip the balance.



Why hasnt anyone asked "Why didnt they stop to help on the way down". At that point it wouldnt be about the summit, it would be about survival... i think it is the same thing.
 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Bolvangar
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Bolvangar
I've climed everest..... here's my .02....

Everyone saying they would have helped him....all I can say is go climb your way to 28k and let me know what you think then?
At 28,000 feet, it's hard enough to care for yourself, moving 1 foot in front of the other becomes a task like no other, spend enough time up there and doing something as easy as tieing your boots becomes a difficult task. There are not many people on this planet with the conditioning to take themself and another person down from 28,000 feet.

I'm not saying I wouldn't stop and see what was going on, see if there was anything I could offer the guy, however the chance of us making it down if I tried to help him down are virtually zero.
Most of the climbers of the 40 person group were most likely rather inexperienced to be climbing everest, as much of the people who climb it are. I've climbed my whole life, I've guided trips on 5 different continents, so I'd say I'm in pretty good shape and I can tell you without a doubt that even I as a rather experienced climber could have done NOTHING for him.

Even stopping to see how he is doing is a fair risk in itself. Stop for any period of time in those temperatures and you will start to freeze your ass off, trust me I know. The balance of moving slowly, but rarely stopping is something to be taken seriously at those altitudes and temperatures. They call it the death zone for a reason, it's well known among climbers that once you reach it you are on your own.

Maybe some of you can now understand why some people didn't even stop, I would not be one of those, but to some people stopping to try to help a guy thats pretty much allready dead isn't worth risking your own life over.

People who climb Everest know the risks associated with it, and shouldn't be there in the first place if their not willing to accept the possible out come. I've risked my life to climb the mountain, and I'd happily do it again. You have to be a climber to understand.

What side did you climb? Oh, and what year?

Edit: The reason I ask is because I pretty much don't believe you. Reason being that your Myspace Page lists you as being 20: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ion=user.viewprofile&friendid=35326806

The youngest American to summit Everest was 21 and that happened in 2003. Are you alleging to have broken the record? Secondly, I can find no mention in any of the Everest databases of a Chris your age having scaled Everest. Especially not with a last name starting with a B.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_climbing_Mount_Everest

So, basically, you are a liar.


By the way, your info is incorrect.
Jess was 20.

http://climb.mountainzone.com/everest/2003/html/sp-generations.html

Doesn't really matter since you aren't him and you haven't climbed Everest.


Myspace page deleted! :shocked:


 
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The funny thing is that Bolvangar DOES appear to be far more experienced as a climber than anyone else here - he just got a little carried away. Now he's had to slink off with his tail between his legs. D'oh!
 

grrl

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Bolvangar

4. I have better things to do than post bullshit about climbing mountains.
Evidently not. :disgust:

Apparently it's easier than climbing them.
 

Captante

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Interesting how many actual experts we have here on AT regarding climbing above 20,000 ft, all I can say is that while it really sucks that this guy died trying to make it, the one who is mainly responsible for him being dead is him, not somone else. I've climbed a couple 14,000ft peaks in Colorado and I can tell you that a rescue from close to the summit on one of them is a very dangerous affair, but its like rolling out of bed on a Sunday morning compared to this, that guy should have turned around the MOMENT he had any serious problems.

Climbing Everest has become somthing that MANY people who have no business climbing any mountain attempt to do the way people used to plan a week-long hiking trip & the fact that more don't get killed doing it every year is a miracle... (don't take my word for it, read up ... start by searching for "dangerous mountains") ... very likely at most 1-in-10 of those 40 people who walked by the guy who died were really qualified to even BE there, never mind perform a rescue.. most were tourists, not mountaineers & I'd bet NONE were even close to as tough as Hillary was.

None of this excuses what happened in any way, in fact quite the opposite .. all it does is explain what happened & what I believe are the reasons: (1) Unqualified climbers (2) Faulty equipment (3) Underestimating the risk.
 
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