I actually screwed up the name, I meant to say, The Hidden Fortress.
slight difference.
It's that kind of mindless hyperbole that makes Prometheus naysayers look like nothing but haters. I never tried to write off the haters before, thinking they had a point or two, but screw it. I've read one too many posts like yours, and can no longer see validity among the rantings.It's bad, and you're all bad.
Prometheus was Phantom Menace bad. Imagine: an old franchise that was an instant classic has a prequel announced; they're going to touch on stuff we already know but tell a completely new story, how exciting! Then it releases and Jar Jar shows up, and suddenly you realize you'd rather be sitting on a broken glass jar than your theater seat. Substitute Jar Jar with Lindelof and you have my Prometheus experience in a nutshell. Fuck that guy... with a jar.
It's that kind of mindless hyperbole that makes Prometheus naysayers look like nothing but haters. I never tried to write off the haters before, thinking they had a point or two, but screw it. I've read one too many posts like yours, and can no longer see validity among the rantings.
I'm now 100% convinced the one sole reason people continuously hate on Prometheus is because they didn't get an Alien fan service movie.
me said:That's just it, a good story doesn't hold your hand but it does provide answers to the relevant questions it raises; if the audience has to make a ton of assumptions or invent entire theories and backstories out of whole cloth then you have utterly failed as a writer. For example, Inception or Blade Runner was (more or less) mysterious in the right ways, but Prometheus was just inscrutable.me said:I agree. Still not sure why Prometheus is so divisive. I loved the atmosphere of that movie. It left me with a lot of question that I actually care about getting the answers to as well. The only thing that would anger me about it is if there wasn't a sequel.
Tldr: huge on promise with practically no delivery. The last straw for me was when android guy was talking to the white hulk (with subtitles), and then right before hulk hulks out the android says something without subtitles, and we're never given a clue as to what happened. What the fuck was that? That's not building suspense or adding mystery, that's putting your hand down my pants then knocking me out with a suckerpunch brick to the head. Fuck you, Lindelof.My assumption there was that hulk was going to attack them regardless of what was said. There was some sort hulk initiative going on long before the humans ever got there to send the plague off to earth, but something went wrong. Upon awakening we can only presume that this particular hulk's first priority was to continue that initiative, which he did. It's not that the android said anything that pissed him off especially, but that the hulk realized that these were creatures from the planet that was supposed to be destroyed a long time ago, and that they were now technologically advanced and spacefaring. For some reason he considered that to be very bad, so it was time the kick the plan into overdrive. First he needed to eliminate the ones in front of him though. I think there were no subtitles there because you were supposed to be aware of all this and the specifics of what was being said weren't important. At least I didn't really care what he was saying.
The questions I care about are "Why seed a planet and then destroy it"? "What's so bad about humanity getting out into space"? "What purpose does the plague serve, and why mess around with it if it's as dangerous as it clearly is"? A side question that really doesn't interest me as much, but we're clearly meant to be asking is "Where do the aliens fit into this"? The movie did enough to make me want the answers to some of those questions, so I'm in for the sequel.
It's worse that the biologist and geologist were absolutely terrified of the 2,000 year old DEAD alien, then they want to stick their faces into a hissing cobra-like alien.---several posts between these snipped for brevity---The problem with Prometheus is it got the modern Alien/Ridley Scott production value (so it's excellent in that regard), but the story is so senselessly moronic (we're brilliant scientists, durr let's suddenly turn into total fucking idiots, and it's not like they went crazy they just started to act like dumbshits for no reason other than to serve their stupid scenes) that it's just shitting all over it. I knew that was going to happen with Lost before the hilariously bad CGI smoke monster and other stupid shit they threw in there even showed up, but here, it's like really, why would you go through all the trouble of this production just to waste it on this stupid shit?
It's like resurrecting Jimi Hendrix so he can play background guitar for Justin Bieber. You've got an awesome base to start with, and then are wasting it on nonsense.
^ Nailed it. I honestly think the only people that enjoyed it are the ones that just look at the visuals (oooh pretty space ship!) without giving a single thought to the actual narrative in front of them. The plot and especially characters made absolutely no sense what so ever; if you take a middle school story assignment and spend $100M making into a move, you end up with Prometheus.
Or, people have different views on character motivations and narrative than you. It seems like every time Prometheus gets brought up positively, the haters have to insult everyone instead of just saying they didn't like it.
just because people are "the best" at something does not exclude them from being stupid and or crazy
But they're somehow sheltered from the tonne of horror movies involving the unexpected...?
Or that they've never encountered extraterrestrial life and/or quarantine measures before?
Or even that an author (H G Wells, War of the Worlds), probably a millennia before these dipshits were allowed to run with scissors, thought up scenarios that would explain why half of the things they do are incredibly stupid?
Or even that the head of the fucking company these dipshits work for would even tolerate allowing them anywhere near a mission where his personal safety is at risk? How about picking some people with relevant experience?
Let alone the fact that in 'Alien', pretty much every member of the utterly expendable crew, even though they were picked for a completely different mission, show more common sense than all of Prometheus's crew put together?
It's like they took a load of earthlings from the Futurama episode "The Day That the Earth Stood Stupid" and picked them as the crew of the Prometheus.
My faith in humanity would be restored completely if there was a >1bn signature petition to the makers of that film that read, "Please don't insult our intelligence like that ever again".
On top of that, their initial fear causes them to leave EARLY and head back to the ship. With no explanation, everyone else gets back to the ship safely -- but this group with the HEAD START never gets there. No. They get lost. The group with the head start and the MAP EXPERT gets LOST. They were in constant communication with the ship while they were walking back. The captain was talking to them and watching their positions on a 3D map showing the tunnels and locations of every single team member. There's no acceptable explanation for these 2 getting lost. I *want* to find some way to excuse it, but I simply cannot.
Fuck that movie. Fuck Lindelof.
It's this general lack of empathy, acceptance and looking down upon people with differing perspectives that cause problems from forum arguments to all out war. I personally see all the plot holes of the movie, and while it isn't my favorite movie, I don't hate it and can see why people would like or dislike it.It's entertainment. Everyone has a different experience and expectation. No matter how good or bad something is, there will be people with a differing opinion.
It's not just entertainment, it's a movie, just one form of entertainment. Transformers 14 or a literal retard with a flamethrower on youtube could be very entertaining, hell they could even be the same thing, but that doesn't make them good movies. You can't have a story without plausibility, and you can't have a good movie without a story. That's what I was getting at earlier in the thread with this.
I realize I'm playing into your hand because my expectations of what makes a good movie obviously differ from yours... but you're wrongWhat the fuck was that? That's not building suspense or adding mystery, that's putting your hand down my pants then knocking me out with a suckerpunch brick to the head. Fuck you, Lindelof.
Same thing with music, sports, etc.
I can respect that opinion, now that it's all laid out. I just get irritated when movies with potential are constantly thrown away for no good reason, and then those crappy movies go on to make money and even be defended because the general public can't help but conflate "entertainment of some kind" and "movies".
Also I'm going to start referring to this visual aid from now on.
Napoleon Dynamite
I have never been able to finish this movie. It isn't just unfunny, it's anti-funny... which is fine if a movie has a good enough story, which this one doesn't.
If you hadn't already completely changed my mind on the subject, this emotionally driven diatribe of posts certainly would have. Of course I only skimmed it, I'm sure I've seen it all before.I do hope you find these detailed explanations complete with MS Paint diagrams to be satisfactory, but since you either didn't understand them or completely forgot about them after posting throughout that thread, I don't hold out much hope.
It's bad, and you're all bad.
Prometheus was Phantom Menace bad. Imagine: an old franchise that was an instant classic has a prequel announced; they're going to touch on stuff we already know but tell a completely new story, how exciting! Then it releases and Jar Jar shows up, and suddenly you realize you'd rather be sitting on a broken glass jar than your theater seat. Substitute Jar Jar with Lindelof and you have my Prometheus experience in a nutshell. Fuck that guy... with a jar.
It's that kind of mindless hyperbole that makes Prometheus naysayers look like nothing but haters. I never tried to write off the haters before, thinking they had a point or two, but screw it. I've read one too many posts like yours, and can no longer see validity among the rantings.
I'm now 100% convinced the one sole reason people continuously hate on Prometheus is because they didn't get an Alien fan service movie.
If you hadn't already completely changed my mind on the subject, this emotionally driven diatribe of posts certainly would have. Of course I only skimmed it, I'm sure I've seen it all before.
It's a Wonderful Life is maybe the worst movie ever made.
It's clear we're passionate about movies. Prometheus insulted me. The fact that people make excuses for Prometheus and are actually satisfied with Prometheus convinces me that Idiocracy was a prophetic documentary.
If you hadn't already completely changed my mind on the subject, this emotionally driven diatribe of posts certainly would have. Of course I only skimmed it, I'm sure I've seen it all before.
Speaking of which ...
I thought Idiocracy was terrible.
Yeah, it was a fun thought experiment and some good lines inside of a dumb movie. It probably would have been better as a 10-25 minute sketch.
the new movies that claim to be Star Trek
Mad Max wasn't horrible, I actually enjoyed it, but I have no idea how anyone thinks it's worthy of any best picture Oscar.Fury Road.
I saw it on TV so I didn't have to pay extra for it, but I'm pondering billing the studio for the time I spent watching and waiting for it to "get good." When I saw all its Oscar nominations, I discovered Oscar is an idiot.
Fury Road.
I saw it on TV so I didn't have to pay extra for it, but I'm pondering billing the studio for the time I spent watching and waiting for it to "get good." When I saw all its Oscar nominations, I discovered Oscar is an idiot.
Mad Max wasn't horrible, I actually enjoyed it, but I have no idea how anyone thinks it's worthy of any best picture Oscar.
I think the oscars got it right - give Mad Max the technical awards but the movie of the year/actor of the year belonged somewhere else.
Wow, now I like Prometheus even more.
The effort shown here to dig up pointless and stupid rantings from some stupid old thread to enhance the sheer idiocy of comparing it to The Phantom Menace reinforces my belief that Prometheus is a great Sci Fi Adventure flick and that the haters are just drooling, incompetent nerds that probably spend too much time watching japanese cartoon bullshit or something else equally useless.
Prometheus is brilliant. I hate you all.