Moving my 90 gallon aquarium. What do you all think of it?

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jaqie

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I read what the forums were for and the rules, and it didn't say any sort of restriction, just discussion without trolling and flaming and other crap... mature discussion only.

So I took that literally, and I guess they agreed. It really surprised me that this was supposedly intended to be far more narrow focus...
 

werepossum

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Thank you! I would so love to have a 150 and a 300, and building one, that sounds so awesome!

They actually sell minnows as bait fish at the local petsmart, untreated for diseases... I was thinking of getting some 20 or so and treating/quarantining them myself in the 10 gallon for a while, before introducing them to my current 90 gallon population. I don't really have the energy to stick through an auction, I gotta keep my time out to short times of action because I wear out very quickly nowadays. I do love the assortment I have now, but if I had a larger as I said I would so love having full size pleco and a few other local specie like bluegill and maybe a channel cat.

The water here is pretty hard but pretty clean, and I treat it with anti chlorine/chloramine every time I add water. The lamp right now is a 23 watt sylvania fluorescent I forgot the color temp on.

I used to be a qualified electrician in my early post-highschool days (yes a girl electrician xD ) and I am somewhat of a maker/builder so I am going to put my own LED strips inside this light shell or make my own light shell with LED strips. I may even go the full RGB LED with controller route so I can control the color temperature and brightness and set up a full day to night cycle with them. Fancy, eh?

I just got one more betta female, a very small white with lemon colored fins... and got some more tall plastic plants, so I will be ok for now, but I do want to plant and grow fish eventually. Maybe after the light is made.
Sometimes you can find some interesting fish at bait stores and aquarium store feeder tanks. Small sunfish, topminnows, sometimes something very colorful such as dace or red shiners or other colorful minnows. Then there are species that aren't colorful like the fatheads (except for the xanthic form used for aquarium feeders) but which are still interesting because they exhibit interesting behavior such as protection and raising of the young, something not found in minnows except for Pimophales. With respect to bluegills, I'm not sure you want them. A mature (8"+) male bluegill in breeding coloration is an incredible fish, but also an ornery fish that needs a lot of water and can be very hard of females. They also grow to two to five pounds depending on population, space, and food. Centrarchidae in general can be problematic legally as well; I'm not sure what California allows you to keep, but Centrarchidae are usually highly regulated because they can decimate waters if introduced. If you can keep sunfish, you may also want to check out longear sunfish (probably the most spectacular species in the family), green sunfish (some populations are incredibly beautiful, although all are highly predaceous), or the dollar sunfish, probably the best aquarium fish of the bunch. Some populations of dollar sunfish are almost as beautiful as longears, but grow only to 5" or so so you can keep more of them. And the females are showier too, not all that colorful but sometimes with a lot of silver spangling. http://jonahsaquarium.com/JonahSite/fishlist.htm

You may also be able to trade some skilled labor and get some fish or plants from a local breeder or hobbyist, as long as they are willing to work within your physical limitations. Many people would like to have DIY lighting hoods, but simply don't have the technical knowledge to safely do so. An LED lighting setup with good color and variable intensity/spectrum shift throughout the day would be awesome! You could also do much the same thing with linear fluorescent, just buy 0-10V dimming ballasts and build your own controller.
 

jaqie

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Thank you for all that information!

I know how bad the bluegill males can be to others... but that's part of bluegill to me, and something I would set up properly for if I had a 300+ gallon someday. I live in oregon so cali laws aren't a bother to me... but I also grew up in rural Illinois, where bluegill is a naturally thriving fish, and I love their taste along with their looks - so the mature ones would be dinner and I would breed more!

My 90 gallon is fully stocked now, and I plan on keeping all the fish in it until they die, and possibly breeding some of them, so no real new fish stocks for me except maybe a small school of minnows. My attention will mainly go to my 10 gallon, where I will most likely set up for fiddler crabs because I love them... once I get a second 10 gallon for quarantine and breeding, that is.
 

werepossum

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Thank you for all that information!

I know how bad the bluegill males can be to others... but that's part of bluegill to me, and something I would set up properly for if I had a 300+ gallon someday. I live in oregon so cali laws aren't a bother to me... but I also grew up in rural Illinois, where bluegill is a naturally thriving fish, and I love their taste along with their looks - so the mature ones would be dinner and I would breed more!

My 90 gallon is fully stocked now, and I plan on keeping all the fish in it until they die, and possibly breeding some of them, so no real new fish stocks for me except maybe a small school of minnows. My attention will mainly go to my 10 gallon, where I will most likely set up for fiddler crabs because I love them... once I get a second 10 gallon for quarantine and breeding, that is.
For some reason I was thinking you were in California. Oregon laws are I think more sensible. I like bluegill as well, and for looks I'd put a 1 pound male bluegill up against most any cichlid (which of course can be even nastier.) When I finally build my 300 I want to raise longears, minnows and topminnows. And maybe some green sunfish. A creek near my home used to have a population of green sunfish that were incredible - mature at about 4" long, a warm chocolate background, bright golden throat, neon blue cheek vermiculations and spangles all over the body which was hardly laterally compressed at all. Hardly looked like green sunfish at all in either body shape or coloration. Unfortunately the town that creek runs through decided to dredge it upstream, so now the rock banks they lived under are well above water except in flood stage. I've never seen one since.
 

Bitek

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My planted tank. Newer plants just starting to grow in.

Have a huge clown loach I've had since 1998 or so. Hiding behind the rocks of course
 
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jaqie

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that is a beautiful setup, bitek!

I personally don't like gravel, but you've tempted me into setting up one with gravel.
 

jaqie

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Current death toll: 20 fish. Mostly the cardinal tetras (all of them), several bettas, a couple of the runt pleco.

I bought some 'omega' something or other brand freeze dried bloodworms to feed the fish a few weeks ago, and a few days later, it looked like ick had infested the tank. Did two doses of ick meds (properly spaced at over 5 days apart), no help, then the fish began dropping several a day. got 6 this morning, the last of the cardinal tetras. Got some more general meds, hoping this will do the trick. If not I may be looking at a total die-off, and that would really hit me hard because I am quite emotionally attatched to most of the remaining fish.

My two most senior (but still not old) female bettas peach and ruby are gone, and one of the blue fancytails as well... my favorite snow which is still juvenile looks to be on the way out (resting limply at times)... the neons and cherry barbs are beginning to get spots...

Really upsetting and stressful times for me right now. I am *NEVER* buying that food brand again.
 

Bitek

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Any updates? The most effective treatment for fish for illness was putting them in a hospital tank (like a 10 gal) raising the temps up pretty high (82 maybe?) and adding aquarium salt. The dosing is.on the box. No food also. The temp and salinity help kill bugs and aid fish secretion. Ick still needs medication, but I would combine it. This is very effective for bloat also.

Otherwise not a whole hell of a lot you can do for fish. Hope all is well
 

jaqie

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it's like ick but not ick. third round of treatment, and this one is for all sorts of ailments and very strong.

Now the only ones showing the spots are my neon tetras and the cherry barbs... the rest seem to either be cleaning the spots off themselves or immune... watching the actions of the betta females I would say they are cleaning themselves off and the rest are immune.

I really don't know what else to do, temp is already 80f, and any other tank is way too small for these fish health.

as of now the two adult pleco, the 12 or so remaining runt babies of them, the albino pleco, the corydoras green and albino, the loach pair, 7 of the female betta, and a few of the ghost shrimp remain alive and well...
 

Bitek

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Do you have pix? Perhaps it is fungus. Sounds like they are rubbing them selves on rocks and such? I would say at this point I might try something different. Ick should be gone by now.
 

Vdubchaos

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I like OP's set up.

But I would never want to own one.....clean/maintain it etc.

I had a 10 Gallon tank once, no thank you. Never again.
 

jaqie

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I used the prescribed amount of sea salt and it removed whatever it was... wow. I never, ever thought that I should add salt to a freshwater tank. Thank you very much, Bitek!

Still not sure what it was besides some kind of fungus.


Just one female cherry barb, 7 female bettas, and three neon tetras remain of the specie that had deaths. No cardinal tetras. Not buying those anymore...
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Thank you, Vdubchaos! It's not much to clean or maintain for me, but I really love scavenger fish, so that keeps the tank pretty dang clean.
 
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