mp3's for $.10.. thats right 10 cents!!!

[Grimm1]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
People who pay for pirated music = morons.

Please explain how the tracks on AllOfMP3 are anymore pirated then the tracks on iTunes...if you can.

 

[littlebitstrouds]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
People who pay for pirated music = morons.

Ty for that wonderful post...

Remember at one time Napster wasn't illegal... it wasn't anything as there was NO LAW against it. It would seem that this is fact is one of those loopholes that will certainly be taken care of at some point, however is completely legit for the time being.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Grimm1

Originally posted by: AnyMal
People who pay for pirated music = morons.

Please explain how the tracks on AllOfMP3 are anymore pirated then the tracks on iTunes...if you can.

Ummm... iTunes pays royalties to the copyright holders. Enough difference for you?

Originally posted by: littlebitstrouds
Remember at one time Napster wasn't illegal... it wasn't anything as there was NO LAW against it. It would seem that this is fact is one of those loopholes that will certainly be taken care of at some point, however is completely legit for the time being.

Napster was NEVER legal. They were simply enough of annoyance to RIAA to enforce DMCA against Napster.

 

[Grimm1]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Grimm1

Originally posted by: AnyMal
People who pay for pirated music = morons.

Please explain how the tracks on AllOfMP3 are anymore pirated then the tracks on iTunes...if you can.

Ummm... iTunes pays royalties to the copyright holders. Enough difference for you?

Originally posted by: littlebitstrouds
Remember at one time Napster wasn't illegal... it wasn't anything as there was NO LAW against it. It would seem that this is fact is one of those loopholes that will certainly be taken care of at some point, however is completely legit for the time being.

Napster was NEVER legal. They were simply enough of annoyance to RIAA to enforce DMCA against Napster.

Sure that's a "difference"...but not one that explains why one is "pirated music" and the other is not. iTunes is an American based company and per the copyright laws in this country they pay a percentage to the record companies. AllOfMP3 on the other hand is a Russian based company and per the laws in that country they pay a percentage to the songwriters. Yes it's a much smaller percentage then what the American companies have to pay but still legal. It is not uncommon at all to be able to legally purchase something in another country for a lot less then what you would pay for it in America. For example prescription drugs...exact same product provided by exact same company can be purchased in Canada for a lot less then what you would pay in the States.

So just because it is "cheaper" does not make it "counterfeit" or "pirate"...what they are doing is legal in their country. And it's not illegal to use those companies from the U.S. until/unless they make a law that makes it illegal. That's just the way it works. If there isn't a law then you can't be breaking it.

 

[kyotousa]

are they lossless quality?

 

[littlebitstrouds]

You find me the written law that says the sharing of digital music files is illegal before 2000? Hence not really illegal, there needs to be a law before something can be deemed "illegal." You can have "rights" which are being violated but there's a difference.

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Grimm1

Originally posted by: AnyMal
People who pay for pirated music = morons.

Please explain how the tracks on AllOfMP3 are anymore pirated then the tracks on iTunes...if you can.

Ummm... iTunes pays royalties to the copyright holders. Enough difference for you?

Originally posted by: littlebitstrouds
Remember at one time Napster wasn't illegal... it wasn't anything as there was NO LAW against it. It would seem that this is fact is one of those loopholes that will certainly be taken care of at some point, however is completely legit for the time being.

Napster was NEVER legal. They were simply enough of annoyance to RIAA to enforce DMCA against Napster.

 

[Zim]

Originally posted by: jurovi
what does that mean?

FTW?

Gaming kids expression.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: littlebitstrouds

You find me the written law that says the sharing of digital music files is illegal before 2000? Hence not really illegal, there needs to be a law before something can be deemed "illegal." You can have "rights" which are being violated but there's a difference.

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Grimm1

Originally posted by: AnyMal
People who pay for pirated music = morons.

Please explain how the tracks on AllOfMP3 are anymore pirated then the tracks on iTunes...if you can.

Ummm... iTunes pays royalties to the copyright holders. Enough difference for you?

Originally posted by: littlebitstrouds
Remember at one time Napster wasn't illegal... it wasn't anything as there was NO LAW against it. It would seem that this is fact is one of those loopholes that will certainly be taken care of at some point, however is completely legit for the time being.

Napster was NEVER legal. They were simply enough of annoyance to RIAA to enforce DMCA against Napster.

"Rights" are granted by "Law". Violating rights = breaking the law. I'm sure we don't need to mention the existence of copyright protection laws.

 

[Grimm1]

Originally posted by: kyotousa
are they lossless quality?

In many cases "loseless" quality is an option.

Monkey's Audio Lossless
OptimFROG Lossless
FLAC Lossless
PCM Wave
WMA 9 Lossless

Performing this order you get an exact copy of the tracks from the original compact disc. You may burn these tracks on CD-R and get an exact copy of the original audio CD.

 

[littlebitstrouds]

Originally posted by: littlebitstrouds
Remember at one time Napster wasn't illegal... it wasn't anything as there was NO LAW against it. It would seem that this is fact is one of those loopholes that will certainly be taken care of at some point, however is completely legit for the time being.

Napster was NEVER legal. They were simply enough of annoyance to RIAA to enforce DMCA against Napster.[/quote]

[/quote]

Originally posted by: littlebitstrouds

You find me the written law that says the sharing of digital music files is illegal before 2000? Hence not really illegal, there needs to be a law before something can be deemed "illegal." You can have "rights" which are being violated but there's a difference.

"Rights" are granted by "Law". Violating rights = breaking the law. I'm sure we don't need to mention the existence of copyright protection laws.[/quote]

Rights do not = Law... people who live in lawless countries have no laws but they still have basic rights. Look it up. I'm done discussing this arguement.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: littlebitstrouds

Originally posted by: littlebitstrouds
Remember at one time Napster wasn't illegal... it wasn't anything as there was NO LAW against it. It would seem that this is fact is one of those loopholes that will certainly be taken care of at some point, however is completely legit for the time being.

Napster was NEVER legal. They were simply enough of annoyance to RIAA to enforce DMCA against Napster.

[/quote]

Originally posted by: littlebitstrouds

You find me the written law that says the sharing of digital music files is illegal before 2000? Hence not really illegal, there needs to be a law before something can be deemed "illegal." You can have "rights" which are being violated but there's a difference.

"Rights" are granted by "Law". Violating rights = breaking the law. I'm sure we don't need to mention the existence of copyright protection laws.[/quote]

Rights do not = Law... people who live in lawless countries have no laws but they still have basic rights. Look it up. I'm done discussing this arguement.[/quote]

Your "argument" is laughable. What does USA with its DMCA and Copyright protection law have to do with people in "lawless" countries. You've become entangled in your own web. Go ahead and pay the pirates, what do I care.

 

[RideFree]

Originally posted by: bum
I use allofmp3.com. Same idea (Russian mp3 site) but probably more established with a bigger selection. I'm not sure if it is illegal in the U.S., but I use it because of the high quality rips I need (220 kbps lame vbr). The time I save not having to look for the right files is worth my 10 cents.

Thanks to all,
Gene V., bum (or burn, I can't be sure) and jurovi.
How have I missed this?

 

[hytek369]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Well, you can also get pre-paid credit cards if you're scared of doing business with a Russian company.

yep, thats the way to go

 

[batmanuel]

EMusic.com FTW. 100% legal, pays the artists and is still relatively cheap. I pay $20 a month for 90 songs, so I'm only spending $0.22 per song. The songs are high VBR MP3s and have no DRM so you can do whatever you want to with them once you buy them. Of course, it is all independent music, so the selection isn't as good as the Russian sites, but I personally have no problem quickly finding more than enough stuff to use up my 90 d/ls each month. The seclection sucks if you are looking for Britney Spears, but if your tastes run more towards Cat Power it is a good way to cheaply expand your collection of cool indie music. They even have all the old Johhny Cash Sun recordings like "Cry, Cry, Cry!"

 

[mikeford]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Go ahead and pay the pirates, what do I care.

Please clarify this, do you mean the RIAA with their cartel style price fixing and shrink wrap so you can't listen to an album before you buy, or return it later if it stinks, or some other group?

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: mikeford

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Go ahead and pay the pirates, what do I care.

Please clarify this, do you mean the RIAA with their cartel style price fixing and shrink wrap so you can't listen to an album before you buy, or return it later if it stinks, or some other group?

<golf clap>touche'</golf clap>

 

[Grimm1]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
"Rights" are granted by "Law". Violating rights = breaking the law. I'm sure we don't need to mention the existence of copyright protection laws.

Perhaps we have come full circle here. Many things you have said are true. But so far you have shown nothing that proves that what AllOfMP3 is doing is illegal in Russia or that it is illegal to use that service from another country.
Do you agree that if they are obtaining them legally in Russia and selling them legally in Russia that they are not "pirated tracks"?

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Grimm1

Originally posted by: AnyMal
"Rights" are granted by "Law". Violating rights = breaking the law. I'm sure we don't need to mention the existence of copyright protection laws.

Perhaps we have come full circle here. Many things you have said are true. But so far you have shown nothing that proves that what AllOfMP3 is doing is illegal in Russia or that it is illegal to use that service from another country.
Do you agree that if they are obtaining them legally in Russia and selling them legally in Russia that they are not "pirated tracks"?

Sorry, I do not agree. Walk down most any street in a typical russian town and you'll find vendors peddling CD's of the latest releases for about $2.00 About 90% of CD's (as well as DVD's and software) sold in Russia are pirated. Problem is mostly due to the fact that very few russians can afford to buy licensed CD's. Contributing to this is the fact that Russia is corrupt through and through. The problem is not limited to western artists, it affects domestic musicians as well.

You can read more here.
More
Even more

 

[Grimm1]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Grimm1

Originally posted by: AnyMal
"Rights" are granted by "Law". Violating rights = breaking the law. I'm sure we don't need to mention the existence of copyright protection laws.

Perhaps we have come full circle here. Many things you have said are true. But so far you have shown nothing that proves that what AllOfMP3 is doing is illegal in Russia or that it is illegal to use that service from another country.
Do you agree that if they are obtaining them legally in Russia and selling them legally in Russia that they are not "pirated tracks"?

Sorry, I do not agree. Walk down most any street in a typical russian town and you'll find vendors peddling CD's of the latest releases for about $2.00 About 90% of CD's (as well as DVD's and software) sold in Russia are pirated. Problem is mostly due to the fact that very few russians can afford to buy licensed CD's. Contributing to this is the fact that Russia is corrupt through and through. The problem is not limited to western artists, it affects domestic musicians as well.

You can read more here.
More
Even more

I read it...it does nothing to support the allegation that AllOfMP3 sells "pirated tracks". It seems the only argument you have is that pirating CD's in Russia is rampant and since AllOfMP3 is in Russia they are therefor pirating music. Not a very strong case or good use of logic.

From everything I have read AllOfMP3 is obeying the law. An argument could be made that it may be an outdated law or a law that shouldn't be interpreted for on-line sales of music in the first place. But until that day comes and they make a change to the law or declare that new law needs to apply to this type of business they are a legitimate business and not the same as a pirate selling copies in the street.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Grimm1

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Grimm1

Originally posted by: AnyMal
"Rights" are granted by "Law". Violating rights = breaking the law. I'm sure we don't need to mention the existence of copyright protection laws.

Perhaps we have come full circle here. Many things you have said are true. But so far you have shown nothing that proves that what AllOfMP3 is doing is illegal in Russia or that it is illegal to use that service from another country.
Do you agree that if they are obtaining them legally in Russia and selling them legally in Russia that they are not "pirated tracks"?

Sorry, I do not agree. Walk down most any street in a typical russian town and you'll find vendors peddling CD's of the latest releases for about $2.00 About 90% of CD's (as well as DVD's and software) sold in Russia are pirated. Problem is mostly due to the fact that very few russians can afford to buy licensed CD's. Contributing to this is the fact that Russia is corrupt through and through. The problem is not limited to western artists, it affects domestic musicians as well.

You can read more here.
More
Even more

I read it...it does nothing to support the allegation that AllOfMP3 sells "pirated tracks". It seems the only argument you have is that pirating CD's in Russia is rampant and since AllOfMP3 is in Russia they are therefor pirating music. Not a very strong case or good use of logic.

From everything I have read AllOfMP3 is obeying the law. An argument could be made that it may be an outdated law or a law that shouldn't be interpreted for on-line sales of music in the first place. But until that day comes and they make a change to the law or declare that new law needs to apply to this type of business they are a legitimate business and not the same as a pirate selling copies in the street.

Like I said, what you do with your money is your own business. There is no need to justify buying from the pirates, if you have no preconcieved notions, don't let anyone stop you.

 

[brucekatz]

Read this, it is legal in Moscow. Can they legally export to you? Who knows?

 

[littlebitstrouds]

Originally posted by: Grimm1

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Grimm1

Originally posted by: AnyMal
"Rights" are granted by "Law". Violating rights = breaking the law. I'm sure we don't need to mention the existence of copyright protection laws.

Perhaps we have come full circle here. Many things you have said are true. But so far you have shown nothing that proves that what AllOfMP3 is doing is illegal in Russia or that it is illegal to use that service from another country.
Do you agree that if they are obtaining them legally in Russia and selling them legally in Russia that they are not "pirated tracks"?

Sorry, I do not agree. Walk down most any street in a typical russian town and you'll find vendors peddling CD's of the latest releases for about $2.00 About 90% of CD's (as well as DVD's and software) sold in Russia are pirated. Problem is mostly due to the fact that very few russians can afford to buy licensed CD's. Contributing to this is the fact that Russia is corrupt through and through. The problem is not limited to western artists, it affects domestic musicians as well.

You can read more here.
More
Even more

I read it...it does nothing to support the allegation that AllOfMP3 sells "pirated tracks". It seems the only argument you have is that pirating CD's in Russia is rampant and since AllOfMP3 is in Russia they are therefor pirating music. Not a very strong case or good use of logic.

From everything I have read AllOfMP3 is obeying the law. An argument could be made that it may be an outdated law or a law that shouldn't be interpreted for on-line sales of music in the first place. But until that day comes and they make a change to the law or declare that new law needs to apply to this type of business they are a legitimate business and not the same as a pirate selling copies in the street.

And he takes the cake... exactly what I said and he repsonded exactly the same way... Whatever, do you want *insert judgemental comment about our ethics because we may buy this* and still NEVER proves it's illegal. Go post somwhere where you're usefull. I'm begining to think all those posts he has are coming from dumb arguements like these... and from now on I refuse to add to his total.

Oh yeah... I live in NYC, I can get pirated DVD's on the streets any day for $5... Down with the USA we're living in a corrupt nation just like the Rusians.

 

[sinucus]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
People who pay for pirated music = morons.

I used to think that way too. After trying to track down some obscure artists using the traditional "illegal" channels and having no luck, I don't believe it to be stupid to buy things from allofmp3 or other sites. The legality and royalty fees aside, saving "my time" is worth more then the $1 I'd have to spend at allofmp3. Maybe you're just an unemployed college student with nothing better to do with your time but I value my time. If it costs me $1 to save me from HOURS and HOURS of searching usenet, BT, IRC or the many other ways it's worth it to me!

 

[dh19440113]

Originally posted by: Kwad Guy
Either you should download from legitimate channels (iTunes, Yahoo, VirginDigital, etc.) or else you might as well just steal the stuff from a fileserver. All you do here is help fund the Russian Mafia. Why bother?

Kwad

I see no difference between russian mafia and the RIAA.

RIAA affiliate distribute rootkit and spyware on the internet.

They use money laundering tactic to force parents and granparents of minor to pay tens of thousands of dollar sometimes their entire savings.

They muscle in on the advancement of digital music progress, and tried to buy off lawmakers to stop further progress of online music sales.

They payoff new york cops to give name and address of possible file sharers.

Riaa is just like the russian mob, hypocrits that only care about lining their own pocket, and use laws for their own devices.

Don't be a fool and trust these bastards. The only thing they are different from mob is they don't do contract killings, (I could be wrong on that)


Using peer to peer force you to upload, which can bring problems and sometimes the file you need has poor seeds. These problem don't exist at paid sites.

Ofcourse i see no difference in paying money to Russian mafia or the RIAA, i only have my own interest in mind.

 

[RideFree]

dh,
For a junior member you are pretty intelligent in your assessment.