Yeah that's it. That's exactly what I meant.
To be fair, I'm not entirely certain why a Kinect is needed for a set top box either. Personally it's refreshing to see all the 180's Microsoft is doing, finally listening to consumers instead of shoving crap down their throats.
To be fair, I'm not entirely certain why a Kinect is needed for a set top box either. Personally it's refreshing to see all the 180's Microsoft is doing, finally listening to consumers instead of shoving crap down their throats.
They're not listening to consumers, they're doing damage control because of the loud ass 1% on the internet, which have caused such an uproar because consoles are life and death, ya know.
I miss the days when you see a product that's being offered and if you don't like it, you just say "pass". Nope, it has to be an all out war of attrition with these consoles for some reason. I'm getting to the point where I don't ever want a PS4 just to spite all the idiotic bullshit over the past 2 months.
Haha...don't be butthurt cause people don't worship Microsoft and called them on their bs. Every bit of the kinect is required, 24 hour check in, DRM locked games etc was utter garbage. They got called on it and instead of losing a ton of sales, decided to drop these things. Its a win, win situation now.
Yep. Not to mention the 'loud' folks that probably include me, also dissed the idiotic $599 pricing of the PS3.
I swear some people just can't stand hearing honest opinions. You can always tell a Sony fanboy when they say things like "The PS3 was a bargain for $599!", and you can always tell the Xbox fanboys from their not being totally stunned at the initial BS Microsoft tried to pull with the whole online/Kinect required/etc.
These companies don't give a crap about us. They just want our money. Don't be a fanboy. Either corp is jam packed with people who would burn children alive if there were profit in it.
You're right! A person living in a first world country that has already experienced the "outrage" over the DD stuff in 2003/2004 when Steam was released is a total Xbox Fanboy! It doesn't matter that they aren't effected the shift in distribution and software licenses. It also doesn't matter when the person has also openly stated they are getting both consoles.
Even if MS is dead set on including kinect, they haven't made any appreciable effort into showing the masses what the benefits are. Sure, it can listen voice commands while i'm watching netflix, but do I *really* want that? MS needs to sell this feature if they're charging so much for it, and they just haven't done an adequate job of it.
I feel like the XB1 will be a fine console, but I really do prefer the option of going without kinect - that is, unless MS shows me something absolutely mind blowing in terms of a game that uses it. They have not done so thus far - the set top box features are nice, but in the end my primary reason for purchase is gaming. I'm a huge multiplayer fighting/FPS game aficionado and I quite enjoy the fact that consoles have a huge playerbase for such titles, that is why I want a console. The set top box features (which ties in with the kinect voice commands) are nice but aren't a primary purchase consideration.
I've said it before and i'll say it again, I feel like XBLG is a superior experience to PSN online currently, and that is why I want the XB1 to be a viable contender. I want to like it, because I like the 360. MS needs to sell (eg show us the benefits) this feature to us. If they don't, then they should make it optional. If they don't, they can count on an appreciable amounts of folks turning towards the PS4, instead..
What you forget is that you weren't just locked in if you bought digital. Hat is expected, but if you buy the disk you are locked in as well. The PC is a different animal, I don't think the consoles were ready for it especially not when your closest competitor is not doing it.
Yeah they seem to be playing the game of "you'll see why it is great" but not really having anything to show, hoping some developer does something with it.
Yeah they seem to be playing the game of "you'll see why it is great" but not really having anything to show, hoping some developer does something with it.
After all the gimmicky garbage gamers have seen shoveled at us over the years :
Wii balance board
Wii motion shake controller
Kinect1
Move
etc
I think people are starting to get fed up with this stuff that doesn't really add appreciably to the gameplay. Some of it is 'sort of cool' to mess around with for a few hours, but gets old pretty darned fast compared to just sitting down and playing a game traditionally, which is how every single AAA title functions. Do you think COD would sell millions if you had to shake your controller like a moron in order to reload? Or madden where the only way to move around the field was to lean around on the balance board? I think not.
Madden started to incorporate some of the Kinect stuff into the game. Using the mic on it to allow you to shout audibles. Paul Rudd and Ray Lewis had a commercial featuring it.After all the gimmicky garbage gamers have seen shoveled at us over the years :
Wii balance board
Wii motion shake controller
Kinect1
Move
etc
I think people are starting to get fed up with this stuff that doesn't really add appreciably to the gameplay. Some of it is 'sort of cool' to mess around with for a few hours, but gets old pretty darned fast compared to just sitting down and playing a game traditionally, which is how every single AAA title functions. Do you think COD would sell millions if you had to shake your controller like a moron in order to reload? Or madden where the only way to move around the field was to lean around on the balance board? I think not.
After all the gimmicky garbage gamers have seen shoveled at us over the years :
Wii balance board
Wii motion shake controller
Kinect1
Move
etc
I think people are starting to get fed up with this stuff that doesn't really add appreciably to the gameplay. Some of it is 'sort of cool' to mess around with for a few hours, but gets old pretty darned fast compared to just sitting down and playing a game traditionally, which is how every single AAA title functions. Do you think COD would sell millions if you had to shake your controller like a moron in order to reload? Or madden where the only way to move around the field was to lean around on the balance board? I think not.
Once again us real gamers helped get the fanbois a better product. You're welcome. ( And you two know who you are.)
LOL the WII trransition i my house was rapid. the first two months, we were exhausted from playing bowling, baseball, tennis etc... Month 3 We figured out how to do 90% with just wrist motions.
That being said I agree with all your points. I almost bought the Kinect for ME3. Glad I didnt. Looked cool, but I looked at my gaming. I fumble with the buttons enough as is. In a tight spot I could ONLY imagine what audible screw-ups I would do. And as a lot of my gaming is late night, wifey would not be happy with me screaming Weapon Switch; Pistol.... NO Pistol.... Damn, not Med kit..... PISTOL" :\
I really despise this sentiment. Who CARES if the Kinect had to be connected all the time. IT STILL comes with the Xbox One. You might as well have it connected. There are many features that probably won't ever be touched because of this.
"Real Gamers" Have essentially bullied companies into not doing any innovation, and sticking with the same phucking model of "Graphics graphics graphics." This isn't what the majority of gamers want, it's just what gamers who are "nerdy" enough to follow a consoles development and complain.
I had no problem with the Kinect, the graphics of the Xbox One, the Used Game thing, or ANYTHING actually. The only problem I had was with MS's explanation of why I should want their product. They showed no good implementations of the Kinect, Showed no good use of the cloud, and didn't explain the fact that you could share games among family members. The just marketed the thing terribly so people hated it.
"Real Gamers" and "Real Hardware Enthusiasts" can really be short sighted. I'm happy that at least Intel doesn't listen to "Real Hardware Enthusiasts" otherwise we'd have no interest in tablets/notebooks and instead 200-300W TDP parts being pushed onto people who simply want to do Facebook on their PC.
I agree they were marketing failures on most points. The complaint about the used games was valid to a point, but I felt the pros of the DD model outweighed the cons for not being able to sell your games outside of the official channels MS was proposing.I really despise this sentiment. Who CARES if the Kinect had to be connected all the time. IT STILL comes with the Xbox One. You might as well have it connected. There are many features that probably won't ever be touched because of this.
"Real Gamers" Have essentially bullied companies into not doing any innovation, and sticking with the same phucking model of "Graphics graphics graphics." This isn't what the majority of gamers want, it's just what gamers who are "nerdy" enough to follow a consoles development and complain.
I had no problem with the Kinect, the graphics of the Xbox One, the Used Game thing, or ANYTHING actually. The only problem I had was with MS's explanation of why I should want their product. They showed no good implementations of the Kinect, Showed no good use of the cloud, and didn't explain the fact that you could share games among family members. The just marketed the thing terribly so people hated it.
"Real Gamers" and "Real Hardware Enthusiasts" can really be short sighted. I'm happy that at least Intel doesn't listen to "Real Hardware Enthusiasts" otherwise we'd have no interest in tablets/notebooks and instead 200-300W TDP parts being pushed onto people who simply want to do Facebook on their PC.
Haha...don't be butthurt cause people don't worship Microsoft and called them on their bs. Every bit of the kinect is required, 24 hour check in, DRM locked games etc was utter garbage. They got called on it and instead of losing a ton of sales, decided to drop these things. Its a win, win situation now.