MS: Kinect no longer required

[blackened23]

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You could have saved the time and just stated that you don't have facts, sources, or any pertinent concrete information on XB1 / PS4 pre-orders and not wasted anyones time.

Oh. But you just 'know' that the XB1 is doing poorly. Yep. Sixth sense about these things..

I tend to agree that internet whiners aren't necessarily representative of the real world. If it were, none of the COD games would sell a single copy because if you browse any tech related forum, it is full of nothing but complainers talking about how awful COD is. But the series still sells a gabillion copies. Go figure. I'm pretty confident that the XB1 will sell just fine despite the internet nonsense (especially in the US, where xbox is heavily favored), although the PS4 will sell more in the long run if the price isn't addressed. They need to either prove the benefits to the masses or make a non kinect version which is cheaper...

 

[ImpulsE69]

You read what you wanted to read into my post. I didn't say Xbox 1 was doing poorly. I said 4 to 1 preorders (which was stated in many sites prior to the 180). I can site a bunch of sources if you're that blind. The "millions" was an exaggeration and sarcastic referring to cmdr's post and people saying "It was a handful of whiners on the internet that made things turn around" Notice that no one asked for their sources to prove those statements? Oh wait, THOSE same people were the ones always asking for sources anytime someone said something. So, curious, when I hunted to find the estimated actual pre-order #'s it was actually much smaller than I would have thought.

Companies don't turn things around because of a few people complaining.

Secondly, the reason CoD sells well and the Xbox 1 will probably sell well actually amounts to the same thing. People's lack of integrity. Whine out one side and fork out the cash on the other. There's not much of that in people these days. They will flip on a dime. You can see that in the PC games forum alone. "I HATE BLKOPS#42 it's just the same console trash!" 2 hours later "I bought BLKOPS#42 who else is playing!" etc. People were pissed at MS, and rather than stick to their guns, as soon as they threw them a cookie, they jumped on it.

 

[purbeast0]

You could have saved the time and just stated that you don't have facts, sources, or any pertinent concrete information on XB1 / PS4 pre-orders and not wasted anyones time.

Oh. But you just 'know' that the XB1 is doing poorly. Yep. Sixth sense about these things..

I tend to agree that internet whiners aren't necessarily representative of the real world. If it were, none of the COD games would sell a single copy because if you browse any tech related forum, it is full of nothing but complainers talking about how awful COD is. But the series still sells a gabillion copies. Go figure. I'm pretty confident that the XB1 will sell just fine despite the internet nonsense (especially in the US, where xbox is heavily favored), although the PS4 will sell more in the long run if the price isn't addressed. They need to either prove the benefits to the masses or make a non kinect version which is cheaper...

the difference between how the x1 was initially received and games like cod, is that the only people who whine about cod games are the people on these forums who think anyone that likes them are sheep with "no integrity" as mentioned already.

but with the x1, it wasn't just the internet forums. the bad press hit mainstream media, and major news sites. they had articles on cnn or wsj, or some site i remember seeing that is TOTALLY unrelated to gaming in general. i heard them talking about it on the sports talk radio show i listen to daily after it. all the major game sites like ign, gamespot, etc, were also talking about the bad ideas x1 initially had.

with things like cod, it is ONLY the internet forums whining like the 10 people on this forum. but then sites like ign, gamespot, and all the major sites, give it good reviews because it is a fun game.

 

[cmdrdredd]

the difference between how the x1 was initially received and games like cod, is that the only people who whine about cod games are the people on these forums who think anyone that likes them are sheep with "no integrity" as mentioned already.

but with the x1, it wasn't just the internet forums. the bad press hit mainstream media, and major news sites. they had articles on cnn or wsj, or some site i remember seeing that is TOTALLY unrelated to gaming in general. i heard them talking about it on the sports talk radio show i listen to daily after it. all the major game sites like ign, gamespot, etc, were also talking about the bad ideas x1 initially had.

with things like cod, it is ONLY the internet forums whining like the 10 people on this forum. but then sites like ign, gamespot, and all the major sites, give it good reviews because it is a fun game.

It gets good reviews cause they ride the hype train with some advertising revenue thrown in. It isn't just forums, I have seen way more people who dislike it than buy it personally. I know its still popular but I am pretty sure that is gonna end with ghosts.

 

[purbeast0]

It gets good reviews cause they ride the hype train with some advertising revenue thrown in. It isn't just forums, I have seen way more people who dislike it than buy it personally. I know its still popular but I am pretty sure that is gonna end with ghosts.

yeah, facts would like to have a word with you.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=X360&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

 

[smackababy]

It gets good reviews cause they ride the hype train with some advertising revenue thrown in. It isn't just forums, I have seen way more people who dislike it than buy it personally. I know its still popular but I am pretty sure that is gonna end with ghosts.

I doubt it. I have so many friends that talk about how bad COD is, but they buy every iteration anyway. It isn't so much of it being the best shooter (because it isn't); it is a combination of the multiplayer experience with friends and there is always people playing it. Even with 200,000 people playing Dota, some of my queues are like 4-5 minutes. Never in COD do I wait that long for a lobby.

 

[cmdrdredd]

yeah, facts would like to have a word with you.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=X360&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

Maybe reading comprehension isn't your string suit. I said I know it is popular. That wasn't my point. If I have to spell it out...the sales don't necessarily reflect the amount of dislike it gets. Most of the people I actually know who do buy it say they only buy it cause its popular not necessarily cause it is a good title.

I doubt it. I have so many friends that talk about how bad COD is, but they buy every iteration anyway. It isn't so much of it being the best shooter (because it isn't); it is a combination of the multiplayer experience with friends and there is always people playing it. Even with 200,000 people playing Dota, some of my queues are like 4-5 minutes. Never in COD do I wait that long for a lobby.

Most of the people I know are battlefield players. Could be the difference. I only know a handful of people who buy cod at all personally. This obviously only reflects a small group though.

 

[purbeast0]

Maybe reading comprehension isn't your string suit. I said I know it is popular. That wasn't my point. If I have to spell it out...the sales don't necessarily reflect the amount of dislike it gets. Most of the people I actually know who do buy it say they only buy it cause its popular not necessarily cause it is a good title.

or it could sell a lot and constantly be at the top of the list while getting good reviews because people actually like playing the game and it's a good game. but keep telling yourself it's bad and that the good reviews are paid for, if that makes you feel better. i'm sure that "most of the people you know" make up the majority of the 25 million or so copies that are out there in the wild of mw3.

and just fyi, i haven't played a cod game since mw2 and don't plan on getting ghosts. but i can grasp the concept of how people can enjoy games that i don't care for, and that there are good games outside of the ones i enjoy.

 

[smackababy]

and just fyi, i haven't played a cod game since mw2 and don't plan on getting ghosts. but i can grasp the concept of how people can enjoy games that i don't care for, and that there are good games outside of the ones i enjoy.

I can't! I hate anyone that plays 3D fighters or League of Legends. >_>

 

[XiandreX]

You could have saved the time and just stated that you don't have facts, sources, or any pertinent concrete information on XB1 / PS4 pre-orders and not wasted anyones time.

Oh. But you just 'know' that the XB1 is doing poorly. Yep. Sixth sense about these things..

I tend to agree that internet whiners aren't necessarily representative of the real world. If it were, none of the COD games would sell a single copy because if you browse any tech related forum, it is full of nothing but complainers talking about how awful COD is. But the series still sells a gabillion copies. Go figure. I'm pretty confident that the XB1 will sell just fine despite the internet nonsense (especially in the US, where xbox is heavily favored), although the PS4 will sell more in the long run if the price isn't addressed. They need to either prove the benefits to the masses or make a non kinect version which is cheaper...

I concur with your statement. Most people dont scour forums/blogs. They buy without this medium as a contributing factor.
As long as Microsoft corrects the pricing issue, I believe it will have a long successful shelf life.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I concur with your statement. Most people dont scour forums/blogs. They buy without this medium as a contributing factor.
As long as Microsoft corrects the pricing issue, I believe it will have a long successful shelf life.

I still don't see a price issue right now. I mean for all the extra ports and functionality it's priced right in my view. If you look at it only from the perspective of gaming then look at the ps4 I can see your point. Microsoft though seems to expect people to use this instead of a blu-ray player, instead of a cable box eventually, instead of a htpc type device. It even runs windows 8 so it probably can function as a basic PC as well.

 

[blackened23]

or it could sell a lot and constantly be at the top of the list while getting good reviews because people actually like playing the game and it's a good game. but keep telling yourself it's bad and that the good reviews are paid for, if that makes you feel better. i'm sure that "most of the people you know" make up the majority of the 25 million or so copies that are out there in the wild of mw3.

and just fyi, i haven't played a cod game since mw2 and don't plan on getting ghosts. but i can grasp the concept of how people can enjoy games that i don't care for, and that there are good games outside of the ones i enjoy.

The COD hate is pretty confusing to me, people get worked up in their hatred for it. IMO, it's a fun MP game. I enjoy it and play it a lot. But, fun is always subjective - I personally enjoy ground combat more whereas in bf3 it's always about vehicles on most maps. Getting blown up by vehicles nonstop when you prefer ground combat gets annoying, although I find BF3 to be an excellent game as well. Just in different ways.

I'd be willing to bet that Ghosts will sell a gabillion copies. And yet again forum complainers will complain incessantly about it. It's whatever - it's an easy target because it's such a huge franchise, so the thing about COD is that everyone has an opinion whether they play or not; conversely smaller games like SR3 for instance don't have a huge playerbase so a larger percentage will be satisfied - and you won't find complainers mucking up the forums about it.

The bottom line is that internet complainers don't necessarily match reality; although you do have a good point about mainstream news outlets running negative stories about the XB1 - that had a lot to do with why MS reversed course. I still think the XB1 will do well but I really, really hope something is addressed w.r.t. Kinect. If that isn't addressed with price or a full fledged campaign to show gamers the benefits - then I feel PS4 will indeed have a better holiday season than XB1. The gaming benefits of kinect seem ambiguous at best, and I don't buy consoles for set top functionality.

 

[purbeast0]

didnt ms say they had an announcement to make at gamescom? like they were going to "re-reveal" the x1 or something? or was that at another show?

 

[smackababy]

I think they said they were going to 're-reveal' in regards to what features were and how they worked. There was a lot of confusion regarding the a lot of stuff talked about during the reveal and E3. They, hopefully, come out and say exactly what the Xbox One is doing and what each feature actually does.

 

[blurredvision]

didnt ms say they had an announcement to make at gamescom? like they were going to "re-reveal" the x1 or something? or was that at another show?

That was debunked, I believe a gaming mag asked Major Nelson over twitter and he responded with a "not true".