MS to aquire Nokia divices division

[openwheel]

now that the inevitable has happened, what do you guys think Nokia stock would go? Obviously it jumped 40% today, but what "should" happen in the near future?

 

[openwheel]

Why would MS want Elop as CEO? He basically ran a sinking ship at Nokia for a few years and then got them sold off.

I actually think Elop did a fantastic job given the constraints of Windows Mobile.

From a products point of view, Elop has good and clear directions (PureView 808 and low end lumias are both hits in my book). The only problem is Windows Mobile.

 

[Graze]

I actually think Elop did a fantastic job given the constraints of Windows Mobile.

From a products point of view, Elop has good and clear directions (PureView 808 and low end lumias are both hits in my book). The only problem is Windows Mobile.

It was also his decision to accept MS money and send Nokia solely down the WP path.
Nokia was not in great shape when he took the helm but I don't consider his time at Nokia anything to be lauded.

 

[Deeko]

It was also his decision to accept MS money and send Nokia solely down the WP path.
Nokia was not in great shape when he took the helm but I don't consider his time at Nokia anything to be lauded.

People that like to denigrate Microsoft often point to how well Nokia was doing when he took over, but that's really twisting the facts. Everyone knew that they needed a new direction and that symbian needed to go. Frankly most of the people that chastise him for dumping symbian would be applauding the move had he chosen to go to their operating system of choice.

 

[dlock13]

And to think... I was going to buy Nokia stock last year when it was at around a ~1.30...

 

[openwheel]

Yeah, moving from Symbian to WM was the correct move. IMHO it was a gamble but it had a lot more initial upside than Android. However, who knows where Nokia would be had Elop chosen the Android route. Android was a mess and unreliable back in the Froyo and Gingerbread days.

Elop is a do-er, and a go-geter. I like that about him as a CEO. Also the products produced under him are extremely high quality and useful. I love a phone company that puts photography ahead of gimmicks.

 

[arod]

People that like to denigrate Microsoft often point to how well Nokia was doing when he took over, but that's really twisting the facts. Everyone knew that they needed a new direction and that symbian needed to go. Frankly most of the people that chastise him for dumping symbian would be applauding the move had he chosen to go to their operating system of choice.

We will never know but everybody that just assumes nokia would have done any better with android. They are pretty close sales wise with all the other android manufacturers other than samsung in overall sales. Even had they gone android I don't think they would have caught samsung so they would have been in the same position but w/o that ms money.

Android sales: http://www.androidcentral.com/idc-s...ne-manufacturer-lg-and-lenovo-see-huge-growth vs 7.4 million lumia sales in the same period.

Part of what nokia wanted to push was their maps, music and other services. To do that they would have had to fork android and remove the google alternatives which would have pissed off all the people wanting android in the first place. They wanted stock android which was NEVER going to happen with nokia. MS worked with nokia to integrate their maps into bing which google would never have done.

 

[PingviN]

now that the inevitable has happened, what do you guys think Nokia stock would go? Obviously it jumped 40% today, but what "should" happen in the near future?

If they decide to pay dividends, it's going to go down. If they don't, I think it'll be stable for a while.

 

[Graze]

Nokia and its board are just completely stupid and maybe this was indeed the best decision after all their mess ups
Nokia kept wording on Symbian having separate devs on Meego and Symbian. When Symbian had no future. Meego was a great mobile OS.

. Android was a mess and unreliable back in the Froyo and Gingerbread days.

What? It was no ICS but I had no issue with Gingerbread's being "unreliable"!

Elop is a do-er, and a go-geter. I like that about him as a CEO. Also the products produced under him are extremely high quality and useful. I love a phone company that puts photography ahead of gimmicks.

That's just another gimmick buddy!

 

[Puddle Jumper]

So is Elop going to dump Windows when he takes over MS, lose billions worth of market share, and then try and get Apple or Google to acquire them?

 

[openwheel]

Nokia and its board are just completely stupid and maybe this was indeed the best decision after all their mess ups
Nokia kept wording on Symbian having separate devs on Meego and Symbian. When Symbian had no future. Meego was a great mobile OS.




What? It was no ICS but I had no issue with Gingerbread's being "unreliable"!




That's just another gimmick buddy!

:thumbsdown: Remind me to not let you run my company

 

[Graze]

:thumbsdown: Remind me to not let you run my company

You're a that would never own a company so you have nothing to worry about there.

 

[openwheel]

sorry, already do.

 

[Graze]

sorry, already do.

LOL ok!

 

[WelshBloke]

We will never know but everybody that just assumes nokia would have done any better with android...

They could have done worse than their market share collapsing, their share price plummeting and ultimately getting bought out for a fraction of the price that they had been worth a few years previously?
Honestly how could it be significantly worse?

 

[Red Storm]

I love a phone company that puts photography ahead of gimmicks.

I get there are those who love the camera part of their phone first, but calling everything else a gimmick is laughable.

 

[pantsaregood]

Hopefully Microsoft plays this closer to how Google has with Motorola - if they really want Windows Phone to take off, they need 3rd party support too.

But hey, they have cash to burn, it was cheap, and they acquired a ton of patents, so I would say it's a smart move on their part.

While I like the idea of third-party support, I don't really know that it matters at this point. Nokia makes up between 80 and 85% of the Windows Phone market, and the other OEMs simply don't seem to care about the platform.

Also, I feel that Microsoft already works closer with Nokia than Google does with Motorola. I have a feeling this acquisition will be significantly different from Google's buyout of Motorola.

 

[vi edit]

I guess the real question to me is, will MS run this Google does Motorola, or will this be more of the Apple treatment?

Meaning, will they continue to offer Windows Phone to other OEM's to distribute or do they bring all hardware under their own control and are the only ones producing hardware?

If it's the first one one. Good luck. So long. Windows Phone is dead and MS is just burning money.

If it's the 2nd, and MS retains all control over the devices and isn't trying pander to a bunch of different OEM's and keep everyone happy then they can go out and provide a kick ass product without remorse. Nokia was part of the problem with Window's phone. All of the exclusive apps (ESPN Fantasy football for example) did not help by fragmenting an already tiny segment. Go all in or don't go at all.

I have mostly given up on Windows phone at this point. But this does give me a bit of a glimmer of hope. If MS can take 100% control of WP now it gives them the weight they needed to stand up to Apple and Samsung as a legitimate 3rd player in the phone market. Refine and tweak and come up with a cohesive ecosystem across phone, tablet and desktop OS (and Xbox for that matter) and they'll be back in the game.

 

[openwheel]

I get there are those who love the camera part of their phone first, but calling everything else a gimmick is laughable.

I didn't call "everything else" a gimmick, but yes there are many gimmicks on current Android phones.

 

[vi edit]

While I like the idea of third-party support, I don't really know that it matters at this point. Nokia makes up between 80 and 85% of the Windows Phone market, and the other OEMs simply don't seem to care about the platform.

Also, I feel that Microsoft already works closer with Nokia than Google does with Motorola. I have a feeling this acquisition will be significantly different from Google's buyout of Motorola.

The Motorola purchase by Google continues to confuse me. Moto seems to be on life support. Samsung is just crushing everyone with HTC and LG sort of hanging around fending for the scraps. I don't know if Google is scared to push it too much and piss off Samsung by using Moto to do the Nexus line or what. The only interesting thing Moto has offered in the last few years is the MAXX line and that's just a phone with a big ass battery hooked to it. They've got decent build quality but other than that their cameras suck, their marketing is to 15-20 something males and they just don't have a whole lot else going on.

I would *not* use that business arrangement as a model for MS & Nokia.

 

[lothar]

So Elop leaves Microsoft, becomes CEO of Nokia, Pushes Windows Phones for several years making them the go to Windows Phone brand, and gets the hardware division sold off to Microsoft and rewarded at least a major division position if not CEO.

Is this legal?

Yes.

 

[lothar]

Why would MS want Elop as CEO? He basically ran a sinking ship at Nokia for a few years and then got them sold off.

Elop is a candidate for MS ceo?
This guys does not have a good track record, what the hell! Have fun with that MS your will irrelevance will only come faster.
Can't say I didn't see Nokia mobile division being sold to MS.

All the more reason for them to reward Elop with the position. If I was a member of Microsoft's board, I'd absolutely vote for Elop to become the CEO. He has experience in running Microsoft's Office division, he has experience in Nokia, and can integrate Microsoft's units together. I've seen his very intelligent interviews and I have to say, he's no Steven Ballmer.

He saved Microsoft billions in this transaction.
Microsoft paid less for Nokia's devices division than they did for Skype.
Nokia paid more for NAVTEQ than Microsoft paid for Nokia's devices division.
Microsoft paid $6.3 billion for AQuantive Inc, a completely useless company. They're only paying $7.2 billion for Nokia's devices division which is peanuts in comparison.

Elop has always seemed like a plant...

 

[WelshBloke]

.. Elop has always seemed like a plant...

Or maybe he just makes some bad decisions?

 

[Mopetar]

All the more reason for them to reward Elop with the position. If I was a member of Microsoft's board, I'd absolutely vote for Elop to become the CEO.

I'd vote for the best candidate. Elop would be a better prospect if he had fared better with Nokia, but his history as CEO isn't really all that flattering. He was CIO of a company that went bankrupt and was acquired by a competitor. Later, he became CEO of Macromedia that ended up being acquired by Adobe shortly thereafter.

Microsoft needs someone who can help turn the company around. Elop doesn't have a record of doing that. The problem is that he may be the best they have left internally, since it seems like Ballmer drove off anyone else who might have made a decent CEO.

 

[lothar]

Or maybe he just makes some bad decisions?

What bad decisions did he make?