MS Windows MCE 2005 Standalone?!

nghtdvl

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It seems that the next iteration of Windows Media Center Edition will be standalone, given gamepc.com.

Fortunately, Microsoft finally listened, and are opening up Windows XP Media Center Edition for everyone. Their latest version, Media Center Edition 2005, is now selling on the open markets, and is available to all. While the OS itself is not officially launching for another week, we were able to get our hands on this final product to give everyone a first hand glimpse of how Media Center Edition 2005 (Codenamed Symphony) works in an uncontrolled environment.

There's like 12 pages of blabla. Didn't read them all yet, project due tomorrow... but it sounds like a good read.

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suchi54

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Oct 20, 2004
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Is any other place that I can buy Microsoft Media Center edition 2005? I wanna upgrade my system.
 

suchi54

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Oct 20, 2004
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What is the difference between Mirosoft media center edition and InterVideo Home Theater? Is that better to buy mircosoft media center edition? I don't have much buget. Please help!!
 

Sideswipe001

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Well, there's one major difference: Intervideo Home Theater is a program. Microsoft Windows Media Center Edition is an operating system.

You install Windows MCE in place of XP or 2000, etc. Intervideo Home Theater installs on a normal computer that has XP or 2000 already installed.

I don't know about the funtional difference between them, never having used either, but I figured I would point out that fact in case you hadn't noticed.
 

SUOrangeman

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To further clarify Sideswipe001's message, MCE2005 is really an instance of Windows XP with a heavily embedded Media Center capability. Chances are that Microsoft *could* separate and sell the MCE stuff as an add-on to any existing XP install. However, chances are that they won't do so, as it may cut into sales of the current MCE.

-SUO
 

steven1

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So since you said that, I think I will buy intervideo home theater because that is cheaper and econonics!!
 

steven1

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I will tell you what is good or bad about this after I used. Is anyone wanna give me other suggestions before I buy Intervideo Home Theater.
 

kylef

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Originally posted by: SUOrangeman
To further clarify Sideswipe001's message, MCE2005 is really an instance of Windows XP with a heavily embedded Media Center capability. Chances are that Microsoft *could* separate and sell the MCE stuff as an add-on to any existing XP install. However, chances are that they won't do so, as it may cut into sales of the current MCE.

-SUO

Actually, the reasons for its current status as a separate release of XP are complicated.

From what I have been told, originally it was just going to be a separate product, an "add-on" to Windows like Media Player. But as the Media Center team proceeded in its development, they had to change a few parts of the OS to get A/V quality up to "consumer electronics" standards. Additionally, they started finding out that 3rd party driver quality was absolutely, positively awful. They worked months and months with (mostly video card and video encoder) vendors to bring quality up to consumer-like levels for specific devices.

Once these device drivers were ready, they created the Media Center vendor program, where Microsoft would work with a few specific vendors to release Media Center PCs as end-to-end products. These vendors would have to include only hardware that was on Microsoft's approved hardware list, which included only the specific configurations they had lab-tested. Then Microsoft would hand them this custom edition of Windows to install, dubbed "Windows XP Media Center Edition". That is what early MCE vendors like HP shipped to customers.

Now, with MCE 2005 (the 3rd edition of Media Center), Microsoft is much more confident in 3rd party driver support. So now MS has released MCE to ALL system builders (OEMs) who wish to package their own Media Center PCs. MCE 2005 is still a separate version of Windows XP, however, because the Media Center features require OS-level changes that are not a part of mainstream XP builds.

Once the next version of Windows comes out, the required OS-level features that forced Media Center to fork off its own release may exist in the main Windows OS. That would mean that subsequent versions of Media Center may be able to go back to the original goal of a standalone distribution that installs on top of the OS.

Does that make sense?
 

SUOrangeman

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So, I took a look at the MCE 2005 install media. Disc 1 refers to itself (during the install) as **Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 CD**. So, those who have claimed that MCE05 was based on XP Home are dismissed. The second disc, which I *think* the install refers to as **Windows MCE CD 2," has a nice little directory labelled "MEDIACTR" with at least one CAB file in it.

If you're thinking what I'm thinking, it might be time for a little experimentation.

BTW, kylef, your post makes sense with no further need of discussion. I guess I manage to end many threads that way. Well, at least I try to do so.

-SUO
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: SUOrangeman
So, I took a look at the MCE 2005 install media. Disc 1 refers to itself (during the install) as **Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 CD**. So, those who have claimed that MCE05 was based on XP Home are dismissed. The second disc, which I *think* the install refers to as **Windows MCE CD 2," has a nice little directory labelled "MEDIACTR" with at least one CAB file in it. If you're thinking what I'm thinking, it might be time for a little experimentation. BTW, kylef, your post makes sense with no further need of discussion. I guess I manage to end many threads that way. Well, at least I try to do so.
-SUO

Which of course means nothing as XP Home and XP Professional are the same bits (well, a few more peices get installed with Pro) with different licensing (which enables thoses additional peices). MCE is basically a hybred, it supports remote desktop (as does Pro) but not domain login (unless you upgrade from a prior MCE which does). This (according to MS) is due to the way the extenders work with MCE.

Bill
 

SUOrangeman

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Well, the purpose of my post was two-fold. It had been believed by some, that MCE05 was based on XP Home. If true, that mens things like no SMP, no extensive netwoeking options, and other things seemingly removed from XP Pro. I was rather pleasantly surprised during the install when asked to provide "XP Pro SP2 CD." I probably wouldn't have noticed it if it had asked for MCE 2005 DISC1/DISC2.

Admittedly, getting MCE05 running on my dual-CPU system at home would dispell (sp?) alot of things about MCE05.

The second implication of my post is that the existence of the MEDIACTR directory with CAB files inside might mean that it *could* be possible to install the MCE *stuff* on a non-MCE install of XP. Only time and resources will tell.

-SUO
 

bsobel

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Well, the purpose of my post was two-fold. It had been believed by some, that MCE05 was based on XP Home. If true, that mens things like no SMP, no extensive netwoeking options, and other things seemingly removed from XP Pro. I was rather pleasantly surprised during the install when asked to provide "XP Pro SP2 CD." I probably wouldn't have noticed it if it had asked for MCE 2005 DISC1/DISC2.

More than believed by some, that is the way that MS has documented it "Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 is the first consumer OS built on top of the Windows XP Home and Service Pack 2 (SP2) foundation with Advanced Security Technologies including Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center, all while offering all of the features available today in Windows XP Home Edition. " However, I think much of this is marketing spin.

As fair as I know, MCE does support SMP. I think the call to refer to the base as Home is so it comes off as you get Home + these other features. If MS called it based on Pro, marketing would have to say you get Pro + MCE - some features.

Bill
 

steven1

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The title said that MS Windows MCE 2005 is standalone?!. I am agree with that because there are still some of the software that can do the same function as MCE2005. Like Mce 200 deluxe, or intermedia, or others. And they are cheaper than Microsoft. I rather buy the cheapter software with the same function!!
 

steven1

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Originally posted by: steven1
I will tell you what is good or bad about this after I used. Is anyone wanna give me other suggestions before I buy Intervideo Home Theater.

 

steven1

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Originally posted by: steven1
Originally posted by: steven1
I will tell you what is good or bad about this after I used. Is anyone wanna give me other suggestions before I buy Intervideo Home Theater.

I bought Intervideo Home Theater, the function is so simalar to MCE 2005. I like it and cheaper. Why not try intervideo home theater.
 

txxxx

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Originally posted by: SUOrangeman
Well, the purpose of my post was two-fold. It had been believed by some, that MCE05 was based on XP Home. If true, that mens things like no SMP, no extensive netwoeking options, and other things seemingly removed from XP Pro. I was rather pleasantly surprised during the install when asked to provide "XP Pro SP2 CD." I probably wouldn't have noticed it if it had asked for MCE 2005 DISC1/DISC2.

Admittedly, getting MCE05 running on my dual-CPU system at home would dispell (sp?) alot of things about MCE05.

The second implication of my post is that the existence of the MEDIACTR directory with CAB files inside might mean that it *could* be possible to install the MCE *stuff* on a non-MCE install of XP. Only time and resources will tell.

-SUO

Installing MCE2004 onto Windows XP retail versions (VLK-Corp keys dont work when XP's kernel thinks its running MCE) has been around for a few years on various networks. Done, dusted.
 

biscuitboy

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clean install of MCE2005 doesnt allow you to log on to a domain?
that aint very good
must be a way round it
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: biscuitboy
clean install of MCE2005 doesnt allow you to log on to a domain?
that aint very good
must be a way round it

It does if you have NIC drivers installed. I had the option of joining a domain with a fresh install of MCE 2005, if you choose to join a domain...you lose extenders support.
 
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