MSI defrauding reviewers and potential buyers. MSI?s K8N Neo 2 Falsifies its Multipliers.

[Zebo]

http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=616

"I?m disgusted with MSI over pulling this without thought to the consequence for other company?s or themselves, and I?m disturbed at the lengths to which they are obviously willing to stealth overclock an end-user?s system without their awareness."

 

[Dacalo]

:|

They won't get my business for sure. What a way to earn trust from enthusiasts.

 

[JenniAMDCHP]

Yikes! I really don't have a preference of one 'brand' over another. I try to go with what will work and make me happy. I'm not quite sure why I went with the Gigabyte board out of the three Nforce 3 boards that were available for my set up - One of which was the MSI board..but I'm glad that I went with it much moreso now. I'm sure motherboards have their ups and downs and trouble points - but you'd really think(?) the manufacturer would try and make it known that a half multiplier would only end up raising the overclock #/FSB thingy(Sorry if I have the terminology wrong here - still new at this).

The only reason I can think of that they wouldn't mention this is that they'd end up losing out on a lot of people buying their product that want the flexibility of altering the multiplier by half increments. Welcome to Capitalism, I guess. Maybe there's another reason that I'm overlooking. Hoping it's not the former. =/
-Jen

 

[imported_kouch]

wow that is very underhanded of MSI. So is this a problem just with the Neo plat or is it a Nforce 3 problem?

 

[Coquito]

Not good to hear. Premium ram owners who have returned their stuff in fustration aren't going to be quiet about this.

 

[nycxandy]

It's definitely not cool.

 

[Goi]

Yup, but I think in general A64 motherboards, or at least NF3 ones, don't support half multipliers. MSI just tried to pull a fast one.

 

[DaveSimmons]

This is a repeat of their sleazy trick with their first intel i865 motherboards, with an undocumented "dynamic overclocking" that turned itself on during CPU-intensive benchmarking then off again so it wouldn't show up in programs to just display the CPU speed / FSB.

 

[Subhuman25]

I wish there were a great S939 board,but sofar MSI seems to fill that slot.I wish DFI or ASUS would create a S939 board based on the NF3 chipset.I'd ditch my MSI Neo2 then most likely.I'm not a big fan of MSI.

 

[fkloster]

Originally posted by: Subhuman25
I wish there were a great S939 board,but sofar MSI seems to fill that slot.I wish DFI or ASUS would create a S939 board based on the NF3 chipset.I'd ditch my MSI Neo2 then most likely.I'm not a big fan of MSI.

look no further than the flagship Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939

 

[chocoruacal]

I wouldn't get your panties in a twist. Look at the vendors who sold overclocked RAM *cough OCZ cough*. They still get plenty of suckers willing to support their company!

 

[Subhuman25]

Originally posted by: chocoruacal
I wouldn't get your panties in a twist. Look at the vendors who sold overclocked RAM *cough OCZ cough*. They still get plenty of suckers willing to support their company!

Good point and another reason I choose to stick with Corsair memory.

 

[proendo]

I have this Mother board , AMD64 3500 with 2 x 512 CorsairTWINX 3200 (the slow 3-3-3-8 stuff) I am curious how this will effect me?

How will this new found MSI trick effect me running default bios settings? is my system actually overclocked now? should it be stable?

I am new to OCing and I have found if I try to get any kind of overclock let alone a 2.4ghz overclock I end up making the system not post or OS wont boot.

All I want is a simple 2.4 ghz overclock I have read this should be possible with my power supply , and cooling measures.

Any suggestions on settings?

 

[Goi]

If you aren't using half multipliers(and no stock settings use this) then you are safe I think.

 

[sunase]

Well I don't buy his 3 reasons why it couldn't be a faulty implementation of half multipliers by MSI. He seems to think every BIOS revision they take the BIOS apart and redo it or something, which isn't true at all. They just handle problems that have come up.

I still remember when MSI was considered as bad a motherboard manufacturer as PCCHIPS, so I can easily see a half-assed implementation coming from them. People who were pretending MSI was a decent company were just begging to get shot in the foot anyway.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: sunase
Well I don't buy his 3 reasons why it couldn't be a faulty implementation of half multipliers by MSI. He seems to think every BIOS revision they take the BIOS apart and redo it or something, which isn't true at all. They just handle problems that have come up.

I still remember when MSI was considered as bad a motherboard manufacturer as PCCHIPS, so I can easily see a half-assed implementation coming from them. People who were pretending MSI was a decent company were just begging to get shot in the foot anyway.

. Given their history with the i865, and the fact that the (wrong multiplier + FSB overclocking) tries to match up to the speed of the CPU at the (correct multiplier + non-overclocked FSB), this looks very intentional.

But I suppose it could be just utter incompetence.

 

[hotel77]

Originally posted by: proendo
All I want is a simple 2.4 ghz overclock I have read this should be possible with my power supply , and cooling measures.

Any suggestions on settings?

I got a few tips on overclocking my MSI neo2 platinm on these forums.

I got my OC results by lowering the HT to x4, lowering my ram speed to 166, then setting the multiplier at 9.

I set the spd at 270 I believe, and now my athlon 64 3000 is at 2.4 ghz.

Also, make sure you switch your ram timings away from Auto, and set the voltages manually for both ram and Cpu. Auto doesn't seem to work at all except at default settings.

This was the only way I could get this board to post or boot up other than default settings. I couldn't even boot with 100% default settings, and dynamic overclocking set to 1%.

 

[oldman420]

Yup msi has never had my vote.

 

[Gnoad]

I own an msi board and I couldn't be more displeased with it. Buggy as hell after 8 bios revisions? MSI has proved to be not just unreliable, but now also devious. I will never buy an MSI board again.