Msi just drop the bomb! (dead)

[2is]

I guess the idea that people might be proactive in their upgrades and flash the bios first escaped a couple people in this thread. It's unacceptable, period. I learned a while back not to use MSI products and this reaffirms that belief.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I guess the idea that people might be proactive in their upgrades and flash the bios first escaped a couple people in this thread. It's unacceptable, period. I learned a while back not to use MSI products and this reaffirms that belief.

I have had an excellent relationship with MSI products (i.e. motherboards). No issues. Whilst there are not perfect, I have not encountered significant design problems with their products.

OP:
Use Gigabyte, they have dual bios in every mobo. Nobody is perfect.

 

[spaceman]

had mostly bad luck with msi going back yrs

 

[imported_mystro]

Man, and I had been considering MSI after hearing great things about their Z77 boards, especially considering their features in relation to their prices. Rank amateur moves like this are what steers me away from a brand altogether. Won't be purchasing an MSI board, now. Xenintex is right. If a freaking update can potentially brick your hardware, then it needs to have a unique channel and massive flashing disclaimers. It should be louder than the font in the OP.

Actually this can happen with any board manufacturer, so now what do you do? ..a bios update is for specific reasons.

 

[nickbits]

Douche is a noun. Douchie is an adjective.

 

[Binky]

Just because something appears in the internet dictionary for idiots (i.e. the Urban Dictionary) does not mean that it's a word.

Let's look at a few fine words from the UD.
procrasturbating
textrovert
thingsgetting day

Oh yeah, dem be some words.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Actually this can happen with any board manufacturer, so now what do you do? ..a bios update is for specific reasons.

Well, Gigabyte is very good with this. Backup BIOS would fix this kind of problem, easily.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Well, Gigabyte is very good with this. Backup BIOS would fix this kind of problem, easily.

WAS a gigabyte fan until their Z68 endless reboot issue cropped up. :whiste:

 

[rasczak]

People who make accounts just to rant don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Not seeing where the OP just created his account. His account was created in 2010.

 

[samboy]

I never buy MSI

Had a bad experience with the capacitor fiasco around 10 years ago. MSI had to be taken to court to fix their product (Class action lawsuit); this took over a year and the replacement I received was faulty as well.

Cut my losses on the US$130MB and have never purchased another MSI product for myself or anyone else that I build systems for (literally thousands of dollars of purchases since this time)

 

[Magic Carpet]

WAS a gigabyte fan until their Z68 endless reboot issue cropped up. :whiste:

Fan of nobody. I don't care what to use as long as it gets me a required feature-set at the right price.

Weakest link, is the user.

 

[Binky]

Not seeing where the OP just created his account. His account was created in 2010.

Have you looked at his post history?

In 2010 he got in an argument in a thread and he was moderated. He then posted a rant thread against AT (because he was moderated), where he was moderated again and the thread was locked.

Now he's ranting again. In 14 posts he's managed to get moderated and shut down twice, and now he's ranting about a bios update that bricked his MB when the bios page clearly (ok, "clearly" is debatable, but it IS there) says for IB only.

Oh, and if you look up a few posts to my last post, he's posted the same rant in several forums. He's got a grudge and he's ranting, in bolded caps. My opinion is that its his own damn fault. Others may disagree. Either way, two rants in 14 posts is pretty damned sad.

/rant (hypocrite! )

 

[bononos]

Have you looked at his post history?

In 2010 he got in an argument in a thread and he was moderated. He then posted a rant thread against AT (because he was moderated), where he was moderated again and the thread was locked.

Now he's ranting again. In 14 posts he's managed to get moderated and shut down twice, and now he's ranting about a bios update that bricked his MB when the bios page clearly (ok, "clearly" is debatable, but it IS there) says for IB only.
........

Regardless of his post history, he has a good point this time. MSI should have some sort of cpu check to ensure that a Sandy can't brick the mb.

 

[PingSpike]

A lot of people seem to be fans of MSI, but my personal experience is the exact opposite. I have never owned a problem free MSI product. I've had a few motherboards and I bought a laptop as a gift. The laptop has serious overheating issues and always seemed kind of wonky...which is almost like all the motherboards I've had the misfortune of owning. Most of them it was strange instability issues that were hard to track down. I broke my self imposed ban earlier this year when there was a great deal on a e350 board. I sent it back to newegg because the whole system would lockup while doing transfers over LAN and there was no newer driver. I just can't deal with the aggravation.

But this is pretty ridiculous even for them if its true.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Fan of nobody. I don't care what to use as long as it gets me a required feature-set at the right price.

Weakest link, is the user.

Please research the gigabyte z68 reboot issue. It has NOTHING to do with the user.

 

[Tsavo]

I've got an MSI that bricked itself doing a BIOS update. I needed to flash it so I could put in my 3570K. Well, no go.

Iffy build quality, horrible BIOS, and the BIOS flash failure...I'm just going to call it good and stick to the good companies from now on.

 

[Shmee]

pitty to hear this about MSI, I just bought a z77 board for an IB build for mom. I figured they were pretty good as of recently.

Also, on a side note, but very important, lets lay off the quarreling and personal attacks.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Please research the gigabyte z68 reboot issue. It has NOTHING to do with the user.

Unfortunately, I haven't had this issue with the Gigabyte boards I have ordered in the last 3 months. I would love to "play" with it otherwise, as you make a good point, and the Internet is flooded with similar reports.

 

[Nintendesert]

For the P68/Z68 I've been using MSI boards. Too many problems with ASUS this generation and I hated Gigabyte boards due to issues dating back to the Duron days. Every company has issues so until MSI burns me I'll keep using them.

So far both SB MSI boards are working flawlessly, but I'm capable of reading disclaimers and not using the wrong bios for the system I'm running.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Dang, I have a fair number of ABIT boards still working fine. Might have replaced a cap or two, though

 

[Fallen Kell]

I have not been a fan of Gigabyte since the GA-N680SLI-DQ6 debacle, which REQUIRED Anandtech to get involved before they even did anything.

If you want to start reading about it:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=3709

It is 99 pages long (according to my settings), with things getting insane around page 52. I will admit it was not entirely their fault, but they touted it as ready for Penryn (and more specifically 1333 Quad Core support). Gigabyte also essentially discontinued the board within 6 months, and stopped all support well before the warranty even ran out.

Long and short of it, Gigabyte advertised the board with support for 1333 FSB Quad Core CPUs, and Penryn ready. When the first 1333 Quad Core CPUs are released a month or two later, they all do not work on the board. Gigabyte then start updating their CPU support page specifically denying that it supports the 1333 Quad Core CPUs (like the QX6850), and then when the Penryn CPUs start coming out, changes that it does not support them either, even though they specifically stated that they would be supported as they still used the same socket, and where going to be 1333 bus (as their board support "1333 Quad Core" CPUs already).

Several of the other boards out there did work fine with the QX6700 and QX6850 1333 quad CPUs (like the MSI board). Gigabyte's board failed, and yet they wanted to do nothing to fix the issue for their customers. EVGA's board also failed, but they stepped up to the plate and started replacing all their 680i boards with the 780i boards which came out just as all the problems with the 1333 FSB chips were happening. Gigabyte simply was denying the whole thing as their problem. We even had to send pictures of the BOX that the motherboard came in showing that it specifically said 1333 Quad Core support! And then they were still denying that it was a problem by saying that the "see website for complete list of supported CPUs", even though that the BIG IN BOLD lettering said it specifically supported 1333 Quad Core CPUs, when not a single one worked.

Anandtech actually put up an article threatening to specifically called Gigabyte out. And even then, Gigabyte still was not going to do anything. After 4 or 5 months after EVGA and other board makers already had replacement programs to RMA the 680i chipset boards for new boards which would do what was advertised, Gigabyte still was denying they had to do anything. Finally after they reluctantly created a replacement plan, they were requesting that people who send in the receipts for QX6850 CPU before they would agree to replace the board! Finally Gary Keys' and Anandtech's pressure on them got them to cave in, and do something for their customers. I personally had already replaced my board with an EVGA 780 by then since Gigabyte was screwing us over. I did get mine replaced, and I upgraded my HTPC with it, but I will never buy a Gigabyte board again until they fix their customer service. It shouldn't have taken 6 months for them to do anything. They should have offered replacements or refunds immediately.

 

[Nintendesert]

Dang, I have a fair number of ABIT boards still working fine. Might have replaced a cap or two, though

It's been so long since I used an ABIT board, I wasn't even sure they were still around.

 

[Magic Carpet]

It's been so long since I used an ABIT board, I wasn't even sure they were still around.

Well, formally they've been out of business since.... hell knows when. I had some of the best nForce4 based mobos with them.

Universal abit (formerly ABIT) was a computer components manufacturer, based in Taiwan, active since the late 1980s. Its core product line were motherboards aimed at the overclocker market. Abit experienced serious financial problems in 2005. The brand name "ABIT" and other intangible properties, including patents and trademarks, were acquired by Universal Scientific Industrial Co., Ltd. (USI) in May 2006.

Universal Scientific Industrial, the parent firm closed the brand as of 31 March 2009.

By 2009, Abit will no longer sell motherboards and may focus on CE field. Warranties will still be handled by Abit for another 3 years or so.

Source.

 

[PingSpike]

Yeah, I always loved ABIT motherboards. Some of my first boards were from them. They stopped making them for awhile, around 2005 as indicated. I think they were one of the few that payed/took responsibility for the bursting capacitor issue that the whole industry had, not sure if that played a part in their financial troubles.

They came back briefly with some cool s775 products which I grabbed one of but just as quickly they were gone again.

 

[GotNoRice]

Quote from MSI support in that thread:

You would have to take that matter up with Intel. The Ivy series CPUs require ME8. This seems to create the problem with the SB CPUs. Nothing much the MB manufacturers can do about it I think.

Interestingly enough updating to the latest Bios on my ASUS P8Z68-V didn't prevent my SB CPU from continuing to work.