Msi just drop the bomb! (dead)

[imported_mystro]

Has anyone noticed the OP started the thread with childlike caps against MSI then totally abandoned his thread. They have a name for people who do that and they usually get blocked not bricked.

 

[PingSpike]

Quote from MSI support in that thread:


Interestingly enough updating to the latest Bios on my ASUS P8Z68-V didn't prevent my SB CPU from continuing to work.

Seems to be obviously a lie since if that were the case Intel would likely be recalling chipsets again.

 

[ultimatebob]

Lousy topic title, by the way.

If the message is "MSI IVY BRIDGE BIOS UPGRADE BRICKED MY SYSTEM BOARD!!!", why not make that the subject?

... and what in the hell is "drop the bomb" supposed to mean?

 

[Tsavo]

Seems to be obviously a lie since if that were the case Intel would likely be recalling chipsets again.

This has nothing to do with Intel.

 

[Nintendesert]

Well, formally they've been out of business since.... hell knows when. I had some of the best nForce4 based mobos with them.

Source.

Now I feel sad and old. :'(

 

[lopri]

Someone borks a working MOBO, then blames someone else...

I would never flash a BIOS unless I'm having a problem, and the BIOS update actually addresses the problem I'm having.

If it's working, don't fix it..

I don't think the OP's accusation exactly apply to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" situation.

 

[turn_pike]

Say what you will about the OP's behaviour, I still think this is a kind of information that needs to be propagated quickly. If the his post attracted attention then it has served its purpose.

 

[styrafoam]

Had something really similar happen years ago with an MSI bios update. Bios was posted for all board revisions to upgrade processor support, turned out to only work for the newest revision, bricked all others. MSI has been on the do not buy list ever since.

 

[PingSpike]

People are saying to not update the bios unless you have a reason too. I understand the idea behind that, if it isn't broke don't fix it. But there's a downside to this too. If you're planning on upgrading in the future or selling the board you generally want the latest bios on it before that happens. Ideally you would update it before you pulled the CPU but best laid plans don't always get remembered. If you don't have an old CPU you can't flash it and sometimes it makes more sense to throw away the board or for a buyer to not purchase it than it does for one to track down an old CPU to borrow.

I will say the "don't update the bios until you absolutely have to" school of thought is contrary to most everything else in PCs where OS updates, program patches and antivirus signatures are expected to be updated constantly. Even video drivers nag to be updated monthly now despite the fact I never thought this was necessary or even a good idea. So its understandable people might think the bios should be handled the same way.

I usually just don't flash until the update has been out for a good while and increases cpu or memory support or I have a reason but that isn't a fool proof way to avoid this situation, it only mitigates some of the risk.

 

[imagoon]

So does the "CTRL-HOME" boot with the BIOS file renamed to amiboot.rom on a SATA CDROM thing not work on these things or something? All these boards to my knowledge had bootblock based recovery.

 

[Tsavo]

So does the "CTRL-HOME" boot with the BIOS file renamed to amiboot.rom on a SATA CDROM thing not work on these things or something? All these boards to my knowledge had bootblock based recovery.

I tried that on mine, but it was dead to the world. Also, I used the correct BIOS and flashed in DOS via their thumbdrive app. Sometimes, things just aren't meant to be. :'(

 

[imported_mystro]

If the his post attracted attention then it has served its purpose.

Trashing a company using monster fonts like an adolescent then totally abandoning your thread is an excellent way to get attention on Anandtech?
He'll likely be blocked by most regular members if not by the board itself.
Now, you've got some information which serves a real purpose so he got attention.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

OPs gone.
Wondering if he got word from someone.

 

[PV9685]

OP MAKES A BOLD CLAIM WITH BOLD AND CAPS!

I did not notice the disclaimer before I upgraded 2-3 days ago and have had no more problems than initially with my board. All MSI products I have ever used have had quirks, so that is to be expected - they are a budget brand - not Asus or Gigabyte.

I upgraded my MSI H67A-G43 a few days back from the last BIOS to the current with ME8. Running a 2600K, Sandy Bridge all the way! I think the disclaimer is ONLY because these BIOS updates are simply designed to add CPU support and not resolve issues so they don't want people to have a potential bad flash when they are flashing the BIOS for no legitimate reason. (ie: flash the board when you are gonna go Ivy Bridge! Of course if your Sandy CPU kicks the bucket you might want the support ahead of time. Or you can be a 'pro' like me that needs no instructions to perform a bios update.. because I can't follow them when it says "Do not" lol) Not a brick, not a single issue.. other than this board loves to wake up the computer in the middle of the night - and this is the ONLY board I've ever owned that will turn on from a SHUTDOWN state (not S3/S5) by PS2 Keyboard or USB mouse. Kinda nice since there is no need for a power button most of the time but very weird; though I am at a loss as to the turning on in the middle of the night. I am a A+/Network+/CCNA tech and have a BA in CIS and I am an absolute pro when it comes to all Windows versions but WHAT the @%^$? lol. There is no setting, schedule, device/device problem (or mouse twitchiness) that is causing this so far as I can probe!

But, it was an open box that was $45 and if I hadn't come down with cancer I would have tried for the $20 MIR

I will go back to Asus permanently before this board dies... I have always said not to skimp on a mobo since a quality unit can be had for $100 for non-enthusiest CPU lines but, I went cheap... I forgot how bad a cheap mobo can be - I have an ECS H61 board in the closet I might swap this MSI for lol!!! (But I'm sure it would be BAD NEWS!)

EDIT: To be honest, for the price of an Intel Core logic chip I should not say MSI is cheapy.. For $45 half the cost was probly the lackluster H67 chip (I want CPU overclocking!!! lol I hate this neutered H67!) The board is stable and solid so far - that leaves me NOTHING to complain about, 5 months full stability on the cheap!

 

[Slammy1]

OMG. My SB MSI board is the most stable MoBo I've ever had. Why upgrade the BIOS (which is the one immediately after they corrected the chipset issue) unless you need it?

 

[PV9685]

OMG. My SB MSI board is the most stable MoBo I've ever had. Why upgrade the BIOS (which is the one immediately after they corrected the chipset issue) unless you need it?

Cause the previous BIOS was so annoying I personally hoped for something better. The new one is a complete different look but still a bit annoying. It lets you enable some stuff like Virtu on H67 even though it can't work on this board. But, it appears this H67 board is the identical PCB to it's Z68 brother, interestingly I guess the BIOS is probably the same but they put a different chip on the board - that's kinda neat that that's possible - but I had a hunch the H67 was a Z68 with features slike overclocking simply disabled... Kinda like what Intel does with CPUs and every other part now I wish there were a way to forcibly unlock those features.. but it's probly like AMD core unlocking where your chip may have good or bad sections that are disabled.

 

[Smoblikat]

OP MAKES A BOLD CLAIM WITH BOLD AND CAPS!

I did not notice the disclaimer before I upgraded 2-3 days ago and have had no more problems than initially with my board. All MSI products I have ever used have had quirks, so that is to be expected - they are a budget brand - not Asus or Gigabyte.

I upgraded my MSI H67A-G43 a few days back from the last BIOS to the current with ME8. Running a 2600K, Sandy Bridge all the way! I think the disclaimer is ONLY because these BIOS updates are simply designed to add CPU support and not resolve issues so they don't want people to have a potential bad flash when they are flashing the BIOS for no legitimate reason. (ie: flash the board when you are gonna go Ivy Bridge! Of course if your Sandy CPU kicks the bucket you might want the support ahead of time. Or you can be a 'pro' like me that needs no instructions to perform a bios update.. because I can't follow them when it says "Do not" lol) Not a brick, not a single issue.. other than this board loves to wake up the computer in the middle of the night - and this is the ONLY board I've ever owned that will turn on from a SHUTDOWN state (not S3/S5) by PS2 Keyboard or USB mouse. Kinda nice since there is no need for a power button most of the time but very weird; though I am at a loss as to the turning on in the middle of the night. I am a A+/Network+/CCNA tech and have a BA in CIS and I am an absolute pro when it comes to all Windows versions but WHAT the @%^$? lol. There is no setting, schedule, device/device problem (or mouse twitchiness) that is causing this so far as I can probe!

But, it was an open box that was $45 and if I hadn't come down with cancer I would have tried for the $20 MIR

I will go back to Asus permanently before this board dies... I have always said not to skimp on a mobo since a quality unit can be had for $100 for non-enthusiest CPU lines but, I went cheap... I forgot how bad a cheap mobo can be - I have an ECS H61 board in the closet I might swap this MSI for lol!!! (But I'm sure it would be BAD NEWS!)

EDIT: To be honest, for the price of an Intel Core logic chip I should not say MSI is cheapy.. For $45 half the cost was probly the lackluster H67 chip (I want CPU overclocking!!! lol I hate this neutered H67!) The board is stable and solid so far - that leaves me NOTHING to complain about, 5 months full stability on the cheap!

I dont consider MSI to be budget, look at the lightning.

 

[PV9685]

I dont consider MSI to be budget, look at the lightning.

Yeah, and ECS makes a Black series... I've always had bad luck with MSI even with some of their higher end stuff. Kinda turned me off to them. I searched for MSI Lightning on newegg and all I got was two overpriced video cards? Not sure why someone would buy a factory overclocked video card for extra money, I go weeks between playing games sometimes and it would suck to have the thing generating extra heat at times just for a little extra oomph. Not to mention that they are higher priced than other cards that get significantly better customer reviews I'll stick with my dual 4890's that cost me a whopping $130 for two cards and overclock to almost a GHz each when I need 'em... works for me and not that much further down the tom's hardware gpu hierarchy than those lightning cards for 20% of the cost! I'm cheap, that's why I run a 2600k and not an LGA2011 chip.

 

[Slammy1]

I remember having a similar situation with Asus on the last MoBo I bought from them (P4P800). It just didn't seem stable no matter what (get the odd BSOD). Spent many hours stress testing, mem testing, trying different driver packages, I spent a fair amount of time with Asus tech support. Turned out later it was a bad memory holder and with the right amount of heat... Didn't know that until it finally failed.

Was it Asus fault? Yeah, but I can see where they're used to people slapping things together and wondering why the PC no go. I really and somewhat irrationally hate Asus for those troubles. So I understand.

 

[PV9685]

No that was not Asus' fault necessarily because it was not a design flaw, it was a defect of your individual unit. You should not hate a company for that - in those days it's likely that Foxconn made those memory sockets! Hate a company for a design flaw, but not for a defect. Here's an important thing to remember that utterly sucks with electronics of any sort - to test each individual part would drive costs up exponentially - and then you wouldn't have been able to afford that motherboard. That's why virtually all companies do lot testing, though on higher quality lines they may test more items within the lot, have smaller lots, etc. It sucks, especially cause you have to deal with down time, the cost of shipping to RMA, and the hassle, but it happens.

I had some PNY DDR3 that went bad within a few days for one stick, and another week for the other. Tons of negative reviews poured in on newegg - they sent out a bad lot. But I RMA'd the ram to PNY and 5 business days later I had new ram. I can't hate PNY for that, it is bound to happen with some purchase you make at some point..

I had an MSI ATI 4850 video card some years back that had a massive 4 heat pipe cooler on it. The weight of the cooler made the card flex because they were cheap and used a single slot bracket to hold the card to the case instead of a dual slot one when the card took up two slots cause of the cooler anyway. Well, turns out a LOT of people had problems with the cards but MSI didn't seem to care. Mine in particular would cause my system to fail to post with a garbled display maybe 1 in 5 times. it was quite annoying.

I also had an XFX 4850 card that would not work with drivers past a certain point - that card ran on old drivers for about 2 years until they finally put out a new BIOS for the card that allowed it to work and not bluescreen with newer drivers. Fun stuff; or utter failure I should say. These companies want you to open your wallet and that's as far as they want to know ya.

 

[infoiltrator]

Problem I see is if you want to repurpose the board to Sandy Bridge, no can do?

IE, upgrade to a 3570, then decide you found a Sandy Bridge K chip and there is no going back??

 

[PV9685]

Problem I see is if you want to repurpose the board to Sandy Bridge, no can do?

IE, upgrade to a 3570, then decide you found a Sandy Bridge K chip and there is no going back??

Depends on the board perhaps, as mine has no issue with SB and the ME8 system.


EDIT: Ya know, these people that are bricking their boards don't seem to be giving the whole story. Like, did it magically brick the thing or did the BIOS update not complete? Heck, antivirus software can brick your board during a BIOS update. A bad flash drive can brick your board during a BIOS update. There are several other factors as well. System configuration could brick your board during a BIOS update quite easily, I would be interested to see which boards are getting bricked - if it's people running raid, crossfire/SLI, etc... Could be a million things causing it other than incompatibility, but legitimately the only way someone can claim that the update itself "bricked" the board is if they slap in an IB cpu and it works. Of course if that's the case then the update DIDN'T brick the board and they just need to downgrade....

Also, if there is a recovery mode that potentially works then this is a user fault. I bricked and 'debricked' a laptop once and it took me probably 10 hours and a battle with a USB floppy drive but the laptop came back to life. Which means it was never bricked in the first place, as it had a recovery mode that just took about a hundred tries. Every time you flash your BIOS you risk bricking, this is a known fact and you should never flash without your fingers crossed. No flash is EVER guaranteed, even if it is working firmware. Life sucks, ish happens. lol. I guess the rule of thumb should be not to flash something unless you've got a warranty, $12 for UPS, and a spare part to use for the next few weeks

 

[badfun1]

I think the OP has every right to bitch a whine in as many forums as he wants. MSI is turning there back on this MB, they should ammend the CPU support list. I just installed W7 on one of these flipped my KVM over to check on another system while it rebooted when I switch back to it it had a message on the screen bios is being updated, after the update it rebooted into a brick. THIS IS BULL CRAP. MSI used to be good, BTW this is not a uber cheap motherboard.

 

[badfun1]

BTW all you that bitch about Forums and big fonts get over yourself. your just a bunch of nit picky whinners who can't find anything ele to whine about. it hurts no one get over yourself.

 

[PV9685]

My board worked fine with a 2600K and the new bios until last month when upon turning on it went into BIOS flashing mode and nuked itself. There were no flash drives hooked up or anything that would have caused this - it just decided to corrupt itself. Afterward, it would keep rebooting with no post - real quick flashes, no video, would not do BIOS recovery. Had to ship board back to MSI, they received it today... Note to self: Only buy Asus and Gigabyte boards..... Running on a $20 ECS board right now - real budget board but seems higher quality than the MSI junk... too bad really, they've gone back to 13 years back when they were referred to as MicroStar Intl. not "MSI" - a time when noone would think to buy their products...