MSI Radeon X1950 Pro, 256MB, PCI-e, for $139.66 after $15 MIR @ ClubIT

herbiehancock

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MSI Radeon X1950 Pro, 256MB, PCI-e, for $139.66 after a $15 MIR at ClubIT.


Link to card.


In stock right now, 9:00 PM, 3/5, BUT the price has gone up to $144.88 after MIR.
 

rivan

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Am I wrong thinking this is pretty darned hot? This is the fastest non-XTX ATI card, right? Roughly equivalent to a 7950?

Disclaimer: I've not shopped video cards for some time.
 

isekii

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THERE'S ALSO 15 OFF 30 IF YOU SIGNED UP FOR THE PAYPAL DISCOUNT THING.

MAKES IT EVEN HOTTER
 

herbiehancock

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Yep, I considered this pretty hot myself. Guess it's just not everyone's cup of tea, I suppose. The 1950 Pro is consistently considered one of the best, if not the best, video card at or under $200, and at $140 after rebate......dang hot!

Got one of the 1950 Pro's myself and am very satisfied with it. While not the cutting edge of video cards, you really pay to be at the bleeding edge......this card, at least to me, represents one of the best values out there.
 

CKDragon

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I was considering it, but I have a 7900GT that I've voltmodded and overclocked to 7900GTX levels.

I see that this card is roughly on par with a 7900GTX. Would anyone happen to know how well it overclocks?

Thanks,
CK
 

AlgaeEater

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Everyone's DX10 weary right now, that's why they are all not jumping onto a deal like this. It's really the best bang for buck card out there, hands down. But majority of AnandTech gamers are usually on the bleeding edge, so this deal is hotter for the casual gamer, if not smoking hot.

Thanks OP! Might jump on this for a spare gaming rig so my girlfriend can play some games with me, instead of being a slave to DS and Wii multiplayer all day long.
 

herbiehancock

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Originally posted by: CKDragon
I was considering it, but I have a 7900GT that I've voltmodded and overclocked to 7900GTX levels.

I see that this card is roughly on par with a 7900GTX. Would anyone happen to know how well it overclocks?

Thanks,
CK



Overclocking is the weak point of the 195- Pro....haven't seen many at all that have been able to OC more than about 50MHz on the core clock and 80-90MHz on the memory clock. In other words, they don't OC well at all. Fortunately, they are, for the money, excellent cards at stock speeds.
 

Terabyte

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Do you think that "cheap" DX10 cards will be greater than or on par with this MSI Radeon X1950? When will DX10 come out (thinking of whether to buy now..or if/when prices drop of DX9 cards)? I don't need to be top of the line, but I also don't want to pay for old technology....
 

herbiehancock

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Originally posted by: Terabyte
Do you think that "cheap" DX10 cards will be greater than or on par with this MSI Radeon X1950? When will DX10 come out (thinking of whether to buy now..or if/when prices drop of DX9 cards)? I don't need to be top of the line, but I also don't want to pay for old technology....

Honestly, I don't know and I don't think anyone can really give a good answer to that. But I am sure there will be DX10 cards that are better than this one and DX10 cards that actually run slower than this card. They've got to cover all price points, right? So, not every DX10 card is going to be an 8800GTX/S screamer. I'm sure some will be Hypermemory or whatever bottom feeder cards, just like there are in the DX9 cards now.

But, let me ask you this...........how many games are out now that require DX10? How many do you think will be out in the next year that are exclusively DX10?

If you can get a year out of this card, for this price, I'd think you'll have done well....and in a year, even if a host of DX10 games suddenly appear on the shelves, I have no doubt that they will also play on DX9 cards.....poeple are playing today's games on cards that run only DX8.....and in a year, this card will still have intrinsic value, meaning you surely can recoup some of your expense on this one, despite any DX10 games and cards that release between now and then.

But, this is just my opinion and I am in no way an expert on any of this......just thinking out loud.
 

Terabyte

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Damn you herbiehancock! I bought the x1950pro, and I hope I get another $15 back from paypal. Thanks for the good deal
 

herbiehancock

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Originally posted by: craftech
What about the complaints about the noisy fan?

Can anyone confirm this?

John


Well, good anv valid point, John. But from what I've heard from mine and from others who have the card.........this is what I've found:

The fan on the reference designed card, the built by ATI design and its fan/heatsink, is noticeable under load. But that gpu cooler is nothing like the cooler on this MSI card. This cooler looks more like it was derived from a Zalman VF-700 series....don't know if it is or not, but it sure does resemble it, after a fashion. So, I'd be inclined to give the installed cooler a chance and see how it performed as far as acoustics.

I, on the other hand, bought a BBATI version of the 1950 and replaced the gpu cooler in around a week....under load it sounded like a leaf blower next to me....but the ATI cooler's design is very different than this one on the MSI. Maybe MSI figured it out lke some other card resellers did, too. Gigabyte comes to mind as they used the Zalman VF-700 as their choice for gpu coolers on their 1950 Pro cards....and they charge for it, too.

Another alternative is the Arctic Cooling Acclelro X2 VGA cooler. Heard it's just silent and quite effective. So, even if the stock cooler is loud, you can replace it for around $20....buth the VF-700 and the Accelero X2 can be found for that price quite easily.

So, why not buy the Sapphire version or the HIS with the neat cooler it has or the Asus? Well...again, from what I've read and heard on other forums and in here, there are some valid reasons to go with the MSI and not some other brands.

I've been told that Sapphire charges teh customer a per incident fee to RMA a defective card....flat out charges yuo, no matter if the card was DOA or whatever. Charging me just to fix a problem that Sapphire created is unacceptable. HIS has had its share of complaints about not quite following the reference design and memory problems. I'd trust Asus, ATI, and MSI.

Two are motherboard manufacturers and have huge experience with pcb.....and their customer service is reputed to be a bit better than either HIS or Sapphire. ATI is the designer of the card.....and I've used quite a lot of ATI product over the years, and have had very little if any problems when I've bought video cards from the MB makers or ATI. I just don't trust Sapphire or HIS. Just my bias here.



Disclaimer:

Please understand I'm not trying to "sell" this card.....I don't work for this store or any store. I just found a great deal on a video card that is said to be the best bang-for-the-buck out there at a terrific price. Wish when I'd bought mine it had been this price!

 

craftech

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Thanks for the explanation. It sounds like a great card for that price. Would you know if the rebate is going to be a hassle? Any ideas on this particular rebate? If not I am going to order one today. I'm sold unless the rebate is garbage - in which case I would rather pay more than deal with it.

Thanks,

John
 

herbiehancock

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Originally posted by: craftech
Thanks for the explanation. It sounds like a great card for that price. Would you know if the rebate is going to be a hassle? Any ideas on this particular rebate? If not I am going to order one today. I'm sold unless the rebate is garbage - in which case I would rather pay more than deal with it.

Thanks,

John

Unknown about the rebate. I do know they responded very quickly to some questions I asked via email....same day answers and very courteously done, too. Worth a shot, I suppose.
 

herbiehancock

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Originally posted by: Terabyte
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=3&id=2154 << Is that the reference cooler? It looks nicer than the one pictures in clubit, but I hope the one pictured on clubit is better

No, although it does somewhat resemble the look of it.....but the reference heatsink/fan has no heatpipe on it, and given that Gigabyte puts the Zalman VF-700 on it, I really don't think a heatpipe cooler is necessary unless you WANT to put one on it. The X1950 series is supposed to draw a lot less power vs. the X1900 series.

If you want to see what ATI's stock heatsink looks like, follow the link below:

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-195-029-03.jpg

Here's another shot of the card and cooler...its perspective is a bit distorted because it's so close to the camera:

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-195-029-04.jpg

Now, the looks are deceiving......the red plastic covering you see is only 3/8" thick or deep or tall, not very deep or tall at all. The red plastic covering is just barely taller than the 6-pin PCI-e power connector....maybe the same height, because the cooler is standing off the card a bit. I think if the cooler was sitting flat on the card, it's be about the same height as the power connector.

Inside is a copper plate with copper fins attached. The fins are boxed shaped, as you can kind of see through the red plastic.

The fan measures approx. 57mm in diameter (2.25")....I guess it'd fall into the 60mm size range. The blades on the fan are straight...just like a paddle-wheel on an old paddle-wheeler steamer boat. And to top it off, the fan can only pull air through the hole centered over the fan, a hole that blocks off about 25% of the fan itself....I guess that's done to channel the air flow through the plastic and through the copper fins.

I honestly think the poor fan design....straight, flat blades, and the narrowness of the cooler's cover, along with the inherent resistance to air flow through all those copper fins, all contribute to the fan being noisy on this stock cooler.


Now, contrast what you saw above to the MSI cooler, as seen in the link below:

http://www.clubit.com/products/500x500/A9654863_1.jpg


A wide open cooler so the fan has access to air without restriction, properly curved fan blades so it should run more efficiently and hopefully quieter, open fins on the cooler so, again, the air flow isn't being restricted causing turbulence noise.

While I cannot say the cooler is better or quieter than the ATI reference version, I just don't see how it couldn't be.

 

herbiehancock

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IN STOCK right now, 9:00PM, 3/5...but price is up to $144.88........damn them and taking lessons from Newegg and real time pricing!!!


 

Terabyte

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Mine shipped and should be here tomorrow

But no cpu/motherboard yet.........oh the agony! :thumbsup: to herbiehancock
 

coloumb

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A little bit of info on this card [I have one - ordered it from newegg a few weeks ago]:

The fan is noisy - sounds like it's running at 100% all the time.
You can't control the fan speed using the ATI Tray Tools.

You can NOT install the AcceleroX2 cooler due to components installed on this card.
You should be able to install a Zalman cooler - but that'll cost you ~$35.00.

My advice - get the Asus X1950 pro from newegg which is selling for ~$170.00 shipped [when it's back in stock]:

ASUS EAX1950PRO/HTDP/256M Radeon X1950PRO 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
 

zig3695

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great performing card, horrible efficiency. if your parents are paying the bills, go for it! if you pay the bills, well it shouldnt matter more then $10 a month.... but still....
 
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