MSI vs ABIT vs ASUS

ugh

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Hi,

I was wondering if someone can advise me which mobo is the better/best among the three aforementioned.

I personally like ASUS and ABIT, but I'm not really sure about MSI.

TIA.
 

Aboroth

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Please post what CPU you will use with these, and the actual motherboard models. I don't like to form opinions about companies, just their products (unless I am consistently screwed by a company, then I am wary about any future products).
 

sandman97289

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Exactly and if you don't know the exact motherboard models tell us which chipset you are looking for in those companies.

Sandman
 

ugh

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Hi,

Sorry, should have made myself a bit clearer.

Chipset would be 820 (or anything below which is stable). CPU would be Celeron 533 and above.

TIA.
 

AndyHui

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i820 is a poor choice of chipset. SDRAM doesn't work, and RDRAM is too expensive. Depending on when you want to buy, have a look at the i815(E) instead.

I personally prefer ASUS. Their boards include the CUBX and P3B-F based on the BX chipset, which will run your Celeron fine. The VIA 133A based P3V4X and CUV4X, which are quite popular, and the upcoming CUSL2 based on the i815E.
 

Marauder

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With a celeron 2 i would definetely go for a bx board because of their performance over the via and i815 chipset. These should only be considered if you want to upgrade to a PIII in the future.
 

ugh

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Wouldn't the P3B-F be obsolete with the introduction of newer chipsets such as the 8xx series?

I haven't heard of the 815 chipsets actually. Will be digging more. Thanks!
 

ugh

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Will the BX chipset still support Cel 2 when they come out? I actually still own a P2B rev 1. But I'm not sure how long it'll remain compatible with CPUs out there. Furthermore, I dont' think it's compatible with the higher end P3s.
 

Mem

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Don`t buy a 820 board bad,bad,bad, if you want Intel buy the Asus CUBX or wait for the 815 boards,the Asus P3V4X is a good slot one Via board,if you want to use a good slocket converter.The Asus CUV4X(socket FCPGA) is another choice but is very new, &amp; the jury is still out on this one.
 

zetter

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UGH: Yes, you can run a Celery II on a BX board, especially the newer ones from the MB manufacturers mentioned.
 

thermite88

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ugh,

The Asus board is better than Abit and MSI in two aspects:
(1) 6-layer board vs. 4-layer board. Better stabiltiy.
(2) Asus is the only manufacturer supports on-die CPU thermal diode. Very important for overclockers.

As for chip set, the BX will be a fine choice for the Celeron 533A if you do not need ATA66 and AGP 4X. Otherwise, the Asus P3V4X using the Apollo 133A chip set is a better performer when you run the memory bus at FSB+33 MHz.
 

thermite88

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ugh, the following paragraphs were copied from one of Anandtech's recent Athlon motherboard review:

Honestly speaking, ABIT is far from the best motherboard manufacturer worldwide. While they have had some successes in the past, such as the IT5H, AX5 (later revisions), BX6, and the ever popular BH6, they have never been known for their outstanding stability. We've always left stability up to the bigger names in the industry, the ASUSes, the AOpens, and the Tyans.

While there have been numerous pleasant experiences shared by overclockers and tweakers alike with ABIT motherboards, ask any vendor that carries their motherboards alongside a line from ASUS or AOpen and they will tell you that the RMA rate on ABIT motherboards overall is much greater. There was a sigh of relief last year when ABIT announced that they weren't going to dive into the Athlon motherboard market just yet With the number of problems that Gigabyte, Microstar and FIC were having with producing Athlon motherboards, chances are that we wouldn't have seen a product of stellar quality had one been released back then.

So ABIT, along with the rest of the motherboard industry waited around for the perfect time (if one was ever to pop up) to produce an Athlon motherboard. And like the rest of the motherboard industry, the announcement of VIA's KX133 chipset marked the beginning of ABIT's interest in the Athlon market. One of the major concerns ABIT had toward producing an Athlon motherboard was that they did not feel that they could maintain high enough profit margins while producing a motherboard based on a 6-layer PCB design. ABIT's entire motherboard line is based upon 4-layer PCB designs, which are more cost effective and easier to produce than the more expensive and potentially more reliable 6-layer designs, so asking them to move to a 6-layer design in order to support what was, at the time, an unproven processor platform was absurd.


 

MWink

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I have had experiences with all three companies. Asus is by FAR the WORST! I have had 2 Asus boards and they were both horrible (P3B-F and K7M). MSI makes really good boards. Though I only had one (6163 Pro) I liked it a lot. Abit is by FAR the BEST when their boards work. I have had 3 of their boards (BH6, BE6, KA7) and if they work, they are excellent boards. I would pick Abit from that list.
 

Radarman

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Well I have 3 machines, one BH6 ( Wifes machine ), BX6-R2 This machine, BE6 Bench machine, and I haven't had any problems with any of them. I just bought a new MSI BX Master, I think the BX Master will be the last ( and possibly the best ) BX Chipset yet. I will replace the BE6 with the BX Master. The BX Master has by far the best software for
monitoring temps and voltages, and possibly the best version of Award Bios yet. Just my .02c, I have not had and problems with Abit. I also only do fresh Win 98 or Win 98 SE installs, I also only use the Antec 300 watt ATX power supplies. I have been exceptional fortunate on my
computer build ups so far. Radarman
 

fxsts

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Abit does not have a good reputation in the industry. However, I have never had any problem with their boards.
 

sleepdragon

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From my experience.....Asus mb is the best in stability qualty.....
from the old 486 days to pentium days and now pentium 3, I have assembled more than 50 system with asus mb....only handful has gave me trouble...in the other hand.....i have experienced with abit mb quite a bit also....from bh6, bx6 to bp6, be6, and be6-2.....abit mb in general is pretty stable.....but their qualty control sux...

i have send to abit more than 8 mb for rma for various reasons out of around 30 boards in the past yr and half...i am glad i live close to both abit and asus...

 

Ducati

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My MSI 6163 went down on June 23......the clock frequency regulator went bad...it still remembers the previous mhz speed....can't seem to reset it through the reset jumper.....even tried to remove the battery.....have to send it in for warranty...$35!!!!!!

DON'T BUY MSI!!!!!!!!!

They are SUCK
 

Plester

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built 2 systems w/ the Abit BH6 - great boards, 1 w/ MSI 6163Pro(it is picky about what slotket goes in it). my current setup is a 650E/Abit BF6 - love this board!
 

dakost

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I've had both msi and abit mobos. Currently i am using an MSI one and its got no problems at 15o fsb with my 650 cb0 stepping coppermine.
If you're thinking of getting a celeron ii then you might as well get a BX board. Then again the new celerons are sort of crippled compared to the coppermines. Why not get a coppermine 550e ca2 stepping or a 600e cbo stepping and an 815 mobo. And if you add some pc 133 sdram then you should be able to get to 770 - 840 MHz depending on the cpu you buy. Comparing the first 815 mobos, the asus cusl2 should be a better choise than the Abit SE2. Unless i am mistaken, the cusl2 has a wider choise of fsb steps in the 133 - 155 region. And i have yet to see the full specs for the MSI 815 pro anywhere.
 

Hyper99

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What about DFI mobo are they also quality?
I'm sure ABIT is the only company that make
jumperless motherboard that is decent but didn't know
that failure rate is that high.
Oh well, no mobo is perfect, there alway a bug in them
if you got a good working one, you are lucky.

 

slpaulson

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If you would be interested in ide raid the iwill vd133pro would be a good choice. Many of the reviews say it is faster and just as stable as any other boards.

Of the manufacturers I would pick them in this order. Asus,MSI, then Abit. I personally own an epox which seems fine too.
 

rigor

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DFI is cheap junk. Cheap no less.

Abit is okay. I have a bh6 running the celery 2, its ancient, and still performs very fast.Wouldn't go to 133FSB with this old board though!

Abit BF6, bought in december, died the other day. Pain the the BUTT. Asus are a lot more reliable it seems, but the BF6 was a cheap solution for overclocking at the time. Back to RMA dept.


 
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