News Mueller Day - Thursday 4.18.19

[VRAMdemon]

Here is the full context.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1118896195626250245

What a sad day it is when Jeff Sessions is the "ethical" Attorney General.

 

[glenn1]

Can you explain what article II power you believe would be usurped by Congress receiving grand jury testimony, specifically?

The fact that Grand Jury testimony would be the “property” of the judicial branch and thus under their domain to release or not release as they see fit under separation of powers. Congress has no more “absolute right” to it than they do to transcripts of SCOTUS deliberations between justices while deciding opinions.

 

[Starbuck1975]

LOL. Trump repeatedly tried to obstruct justice but was too incompetent to get his subordinates to carry it out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1118905458142609413

This report is absolutely damning.

He gave unlawful orders. That is grounds for impeachment.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It's worth noting that from pretty much Vol2.pg159 onward, it's Mueller's team writing a play-by-play to Congress on how, why to impeach, what the defense is going to say and why it's wrong, and why there's no legal reason they shouldn't be impeaching. That speaks volumes.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Congress has no more “absolute right” to it than they do to transcripts of SCOTUS deliberations between justices while deciding opinions.

When investigating the impeachment of a Justice they have the right to even that.

 

[Bitek]

I'll be expecting an apology from the Trump trolls any day now.

They can't even enter the thread as they haven't figured out how to deflect/spin it yet.

Moderately curious to what's going on at Fox right now, but not enough of a masochist to turn it on...

 

[Sunburn74]

Lol. Mueller didn't indict for obstruction of Justice not because trump didn't try to obstruct but rather because his subordinates refused to. Great!

 

[SlowSpyder]

I'll be expecting an apology from the Trump trolls any day now.

What for? Trump has been exonerated. There is nothing to charge him for and any "evidence" is circumstantial (and projection, really) at best. You can whine all you want, but at the end of the day I was right again, AT P&N was wrong again. There will not be an impeachment, there is nothing to charge him on, you will have to actually try and win an election to get a Democrat in. You lost this one, nothing more to it than that.

 

[SMOGZINN]

They can't even enter the thread as they haven't figured out how to deflect/spin it yet.

Moderately curious to what's going on at Fox right now, but not enough of a masochist to turn it on...

I'm sure they are gushing about how Mueller's report not only completely exonerates Trump but gives ample evidence on why every Democrat must be arrested immediately.

 

[fskimospy]

The fact that Grand Jury testimony would be the “property” of the judicial branch and thus under their domain to release or not release as they see fit under separation of powers. Congress has no more “absolute right” to it than they do to transcripts of SCOTUS deliberations between justices while deciding opinions.

If that were the case then Congress would similarly be unable to pass a law that mandated grand jury testimony be kept secret, yet as per your own link SCOTUS upheld that unanimously.

So nope, try again. Remember - Congress' right is ABSOLUTE.

 

[ivwshane]

What trump has taught this country is that lying is ok so long as you stick by your lies and never admit that you lied. We have a whole media industry living by that mantra and we have a whole political party on board with that as well.

Either the truth matters or it doesn't.

 

[fskimospy]

What for? Trump has been exonerated. There is nothing to charge him for and any "evidence" is circumstantial (and projection, really) at best. You can whine all you want, but at the end of the day I was right again, AT P&N was wrong again. There will not be an impeachment, there is nothing to charge him on, you will have to actually try and win an election to get a Democrat in. You lost this one, nothing more to it than that.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1118905458142609413

We await your apology.

 

[thilanliyan]

He gave unlawful orders. That is grounds for impeachment.

Any day now by the patriots...

 

[TheVrolok]

Exactly what I expected, to the word. Should be clear and sufficient evidence for impeachment. It won't become that, but it should. The historical lense we look back through 50 years from now should be something. Unfortunately, I don't know that the Republicans will ever suffer consequences for this behavior.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Trump has been exonerated

Maybe you missed where Mueller's report specifically says that this report does not exonerate Trump.

 

[Commodus]

What for? Trump has been exonerated. There is nothing to charge him for and any "evidence" is circumstantial (and projection, really) at best. You can whine all you want, but at the end of the day I was right again, AT P&N was wrong again. There will not be an impeachment, there is nothing to charge him on, you will have to actually try and win an election to get a Democrat in. You lost this one, nothing more to it than that.

The report explicitly states that it "does not exonerate him."

 

[Paratus]

What for? Trump has been exonerated. There is nothing to charge him for and any "evidence" is circumstantial (and projection, really) at best. You can whine all you want, but at the end of the day I was right again, AT P&N was wrong again. There will not be an impeachment, there is nothing to charge him on, you will have to actually try and win an election to get a Democrat in. You lost this one, nothing more to it than that.

so you are saying:

There appears to be enough here for the house to draft articles.....

 

[glenn1]

If that were the case then Congress would similarly be unable to pass a law that mandated grand jury testimony be kept secret, yet as per your own link SCOTUS upheld that unanimously.

So nope, try again. Remember - Congress' right is ABSOLUTE.

Then separation of powers doesn't exist if your interpretation is correct which is worse than Congress potentially not getting grand jury testimony.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The fact that Grand Jury testimony would be the “property” of the judicial branch and thus under their domain to release or not release as they see fit under separation of powers. Congress has no more “absolute right” to it than they do to transcripts of SCOTUS deliberations between justices while deciding opinions.

See above, the department of justice disagrees with you. I quote: The grand jury cannot achieve its constitutional purpose absent protection from corrupt acts. - The whole theory of the grand jury's function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people. If the grand jury were not protection against corrupt interference from all persons, its function as an independent charging body would be thwarted.

This is very literally the reason why this is in place, so that the dept of justice or the office of the President couldn't hold grand jury information back from Congress.

 

[Vic]

What for? Trump has been exonerated. There is nothing to charge him for and any "evidence" is circumstantial (and projection, really) at best. You can whine all you want, but at the end of the day I was right again, AT P&N was wrong again. There will not be an impeachment, there is nothing to charge him on, you will have to actually try and win an election to get a Democrat in. You lost this one, nothing more to it than that.

Shut up, moron.

 

[Vic]

The really big question now is will the Republicans run an impeached President for re-election next year.

 

[TheVrolok]

so you are saying:

There appears to be enough here for the house to draft articles.....

Certainly so, but will the senate convict? What's the political ramifications if they don't? I have a suspicion, on the surface, that the democrats would suffer more for impeaching without subsequent conviction than the Republicans for not convicting. Maybe.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Then separation of powers doesn't exist if your interpretation is correct which is worse than Congress potentially not getting grand jury testimony.

Hyperbole much? There are still separation of powers, it is just that one of Congresses powers is to investigate anything concerning impeachment. Secrecy is not a part of the Constitution.

 

[Vic]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1118905458142609413

We await your apology.

I'm sure that apology will happen about the same time Trump apologizes to the Central Park 5.

 

[repoman0]

I clicked “show ignored posts” and found out that slowspyder has gotten even more boring than he was. It’s like he’s not even trying anymore. That or his brain is rotting from spending all his time trolling the internet rather than doing anything of value.