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fskimospy

Elite Member
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Barr claims the Muller report said there was no evidence of collusion with Russia. So either Barr lied, or Bobs team dropped the ball, assuming what you're claiming is correct.

He did not say that, he said there was not sufficient evidence to sustain an indictment that would lead to conviction.

And again, I’m not claiming anything. I am simply describing the contents of publicly available emails that you can read this very second if you so choose.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Barr claims the Muller report said there was no evidence of collusion with Russia. So either Barr lied, or Bobs team dropped the ball, assuming what you're claiming is correct.

Barr did not claim there was no evidence but rather that it is insufficient to warrant indictment. There is a difference.

It doesn't matter anyway wrt the issue of impeachment. Congress need not follow Blackstone's formulation because they & we have the right to demand higher conduct from our President. Should Trump be removed from office then those rules would, of course, apply to any subsequent legal actions taken against him.

"Can't prove it in Court!" is entirely too low a standard for any President.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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That means that either Bar is outright lying, or Muller and his team are idiots.

That is not how politics works.
Mueller : Cant indict a sitting pres, this must go to congress.
Barr : A sitting pres is king, no way in hell will this go to congress.
Congress : Wtf
Turtleneck : Oligark Depreskas billion dollar bribe : THANKS BOSS.

Yall got yer head so thoroughly burried in Fox'es rear end that there is nothing but shitty libs all the way down.
Too bad.
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
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So we already know in somewhat surprising fashion (his supposed "reputable" creds preceded him) from Barr's providing Trump with all the reasons and time he needed to launch his "No collusion, no obstruction, completely exonerated" shtick that Barr is beyond doubt a Trump stooge.

Ergo, it's logical to expect the same with the release of Mueller's report.

The only question in my mind is if the Dems can get around whatever barriers Barr puts up in order to hide things about Trump that shouldn't be. I guess pulling molars pales in comparison to what the Dems are going to have to go through to get at the truth given how Barr shows absolutely no conscience nor second thoughts about how he is obstructing the finding of facts about Trump's alleged bouts with obstruction and collusion.

Trump is acting guilty as all git out. He's been doing everything within his powers as POTUS to keep all manner of things he's done and said hidden and locked away. To say that an innocent man has nothing to hide and would act accordingly is something that's been treated like the plague by the Repubs ever since Trump balked at and then danced around the demands for his releasing his tax papers. All of those excuses being put up by his supporters for why he shouldn't or why he doesn't need to is merely diverting away from the fact that Trump is doing his best at dodging the people's demands that he show proof that there's nothing to hide in his filings by giving them up for viewing.

The people deserve no less.
 
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TheVrolok

Lifer
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He did not say that, he said there was not sufficient evidence to sustain an indictment that would lead to conviction.

And again, I’m not claiming anything. I am simply describing the contents of publicly available emails that you can read this very second if you so choose.
Not matter how many times it is explained or how often they could go back and re-read, it seems this particular group is incapable of understanding the written word.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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This is probably just a nothing-burger...right?

Why would White House officials be so concerned about their cooperation with Mueller if all they did was exonerate the President???

/s

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ed-about-being-exposed-mueller-report-n994861

“Some of the more than one dozen current and former White House officials who cooperated with special counsel Robert Mueller are worried that the version of his report expected to be made public on Thursday will expose them as the source of damaging information about President Donald Trump, according to multiple witnesses in the investigation.

Some of the officials and their lawyers have sought clarity from the Justice Department on whether the names of those who cooperated with Mueller’s team will be redacted or if the public report will be written in a way that makes it obvious who shared certain details of Trump’s actions that were part of the obstruction of justice probe, people familiar with the discussions said. But, they said, the Justice Department has refused to elaborate.”

They ratted out their mob boss, and now fear retaliation?? Great morale in our White House today folks.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Barr claims the Muller report said there was no evidence of collusion with Russia. So either Barr lied, or Bobs team dropped the ball, assuming what you're claiming is correct.

Are you aware of barr's history and is oh so helpful summaries?

The guy is a known liar and most certainly puts his party before the country. That's not my opinion, that's historical fact.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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No, are you? He sounded like he was issuing an ultimatum.


By the way, I'm all for releasing the whole thing and let the pieces fall where they may.

Currently, there is no way the Republicans will fail to provide cover for Barr as he would have to be impeached and the Senate isn't going to do that. What would do is provide further evidence that Barr is not America's Lawyer but Trumps and therefore he's less trustworthy than Sessions. That's a very low bar to not get over and consequently, the House will take him as a liar and ignore any defense he makes. That's likely not going to be helpful come 2020.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Currently, there is no way the Republicans will fail to provide cover for Barr as he would have to be impeached and the Senate isn't going to do that. What would do is provide further evidence that Barr is not America's Lawyer but Trumps and therefore he's less trustworthy than Sessions. That's a very low bar to not get over and consequently, the House will take him as a liar and ignore any defense he makes. That's likely not going to be helpful come 2020.

I think one of the most telling things will be if Barr releases Mueller’s unclassified summaries. If he doesn’t, that means we can basically assume Barr is engaging in a coverup as there is no legitimate governance reason for the AG to not release the elements of the report that the special counsel explicitly created to make public.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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This is probably just a nothing-burger...right?

Why would White House officials be so concerned about their cooperation with Mueller if all they did was exonerate the President???

/s

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ed-about-being-exposed-mueller-report-n994861

“Some of the more than one dozen current and former White House officials who cooperated with special counsel Robert Mueller are worried that the version of his report expected to be made public on Thursday will expose them as the source of damaging information about President Donald Trump, according to multiple witnesses in the investigation.

Some of the officials and their lawyers have sought clarity from the Justice Department on whether the names of those who cooperated with Mueller’s team will be redacted or if the public report will be written in a way that makes it obvious who shared certain details of Trump’s actions that were part of the obstruction of justice probe, people familiar with the discussions said. But, they said, the Justice Department has refused to elaborate.”

They ratted out their mob boss, and now fear retaliation?? Great morale in our White House today folks.
I don't understand why these people think that Trump won't get to see the full unredacted report whether or not it ever gets released to Congress or the public. Hell, I'd be surprised if Barr didn't give a copy to the WH before he even started reading it himself.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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I don't understand why these people think that Trump won't get to see the full unredacted report whether or not it ever gets released to Congress or the public. Hell, I'd be surprised if Barr didn't give a copy to the WH before he even started reading it himself.
I wonder who's going to read it to him.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I think one of the most telling things will be if Barr releases Mueller’s unclassified summaries. If he doesn’t, that means we can basically assume Barr is engaging in a coverup as there is no legitimate governance reason for the AG to not release the elements of the report that the special counsel explicitly created to make public.

Well, he wants to "protect the reputation of unindicted targets of the investigation." Because, you know, staining the reputation of likely criminals is just the worst thing that anyone can do.

It's quite a shocking precedent for justice that the GOP minions are trying to establish in their new world order.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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I wonder who's going to read it to him.
He has people who can boil the entire report down to a list of people who ratted him out in an hour or two, and fit that list on one slide. Then he can not read that, have his people start finding ways to punish them, and notify him each morning on the shitter who the daily punching bag is so he can tweet about it.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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I wonder who's going to read it to him.

His version will look a lot like the Sunday comic book section of the Moscow People's Daily with Donald sitting on Putin's lap describing to Trump what word and thought bubbles are and what the characters are saying.

This a say because it seems Putin is the only guy Trump trusts and seeks advice from.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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Yes, I suspect this is why Jr. wasn’t indicted. He was TRYING to collude with the Russians in that case but he may have failed.

And let's be honest. Jr. trying and failing is a pretty solid defense.
"Your Honor, do you really believe this idiot could have pulled this off successfully? I mean look at him. Look at his family!"
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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Barr and Rosenstein holding a presser presumably before the report is released (or as it is) to make sure the spin machine is operating at full power.
 

fskimospy

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Barr and Rosenstein holding a presser presumably before the report is released (or as it is) to make sure the spin machine is operating at full power.

Seems likely but the only thing that really matters is what is in the report.

Assuming it isn’t just 399 pages of black lines it will be interesting to see all the idiots jumping to conclusions about what it says way before they could have possibly read it.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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Seems likely but the only thing that really matters is what is in the report.

Assuming it isn’t just 399 pages of black lines it will be interesting to see all the idiots jumping to conclusions about what it says way before they could have possibly read it.
That's just it though. Reporters will be asking questions without any idea of what they ought to be asking about, so the admin can lead the conversation from the start and give FUD News all they need for the day while every ethical journalist reads and analyzes the report.

Also, until it's seen how much is redacted, seems much wiser to call it the Barr Report.
 
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