Multiple fatalities in shooting at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church

[fskimospy]

Racism alone doesn't explain this. No problem reporting on the guys thoughts about the issue but the media seems content with this being all about race. They also seem to be content turning this into another race war, which is exactly what the guy wanted by doing this.

That's because it is substantially about race. According to reports so far, the killer murdered these people specifically because they were black:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a60d...ect-church-shooting-had-apartheid-era-patches

Reporting true things, even if they are unpleasant, is a good thing. If people were targeted because they were black, the news reports should say so, and say so prominently.

There are plenty of racists out there. They aren't all out murdering people let alone mass murdering people while they are in church.

Right, there are also plenty of murderers out there, not all of whom are racist. This person happens to be a racist murderer who appears to have targeted his many victims specifically because of their race.

 

[xBiffx]

No exceptions, ever.

Once you start making exceptions the point of having the rule basically goes away as those rules basically exist entirely to protect those exceptions.

This. We are supposed to be a nation under the rule of law. Exceptions turn it into a nation under the rule of man. The law isn't the one deciding what the exceptions are after all.

 

[xBiffx]

That's because it is substantially about race. According to reports so far, the killer murdered these people specifically because they were black:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a60d...ect-church-shooting-had-apartheid-era-patches

Reporting true things, even if they are unpleasant, is a good thing. If people were targeted because they were black, the news reports should say so, and say so prominently.



Right, there are also plenty of murderers out there, not all of whom are racist. This person happens to be a racist murderer who appears to have targeted his many victims specifically because of their race.

Yes, its about race/racism. There is no denying that. It's not ALL about race/racism. It doesn't take a racist to mass murder people and not all racists mass murder people either.

By making this 100% about race/racism, this guy gets exactly what he wanted. Especially given the way the media likes to play things.

 

[Jaskalas]

Because there is a bigger fucking issue here. Jesus hopscotching christ, we have a racism issue here in this country that is being ignored, or flatly, openly denied.
Open your fucking eyes.

Who supports the kid?
In what way does this extend beyond him?

First person to stamp their feet and proclaim there's a big picture has since fled from his claims of "entire political media industry" inciting violent racism. No matter how hard I press there's no finger pointing, no names... just vague accusations against "people". What people?

You're missing the part where the kid is a loner and EVERYONE is condemning him. Even his own family condemns him. He has no support.

 

[Humpy]

It's important to note that most tabulations of fruit imports from Mexico consider the tomato to be a vegetable, even though we all know it is really a fruit. Further, everyone's favorite, the avocado, is considered fruit in most calculations. Both of these anomalies skew the results to the point where lemon imports may not be the best indicator of highway fatalities.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Who supports the kid?
In what way does this extend beyond him?

First person to stamp their feet and proclaim there's a big picture has since fled from his claims of "entire political media industry" inciting violent racism. No matter how hard I press there's no finger pointing, no names... just vague accusations against "people". What people?

You're missing the part where the kid is a loner and EVERYONE is condemning him. Even his own family condemns him. He has no support.

I didn't flee from anything, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain colors to a willfully blind person.

Edit: But if you're really willing to take the blinders off you're still welcome to respond to this.

 

[echo4747]

This. We are supposed to be a nation under the rule of law. Exceptions turn it into a nation under the rule of man. The law isn't the one deciding what the exceptions are after all.

I know. Both you and eskimospy are right. This mass murder and his reasons behind it still have me so upset. I just want this guy to feel the pain that most of this nation feels right now

 

[TheSlamma]

It's important to note that most tabulations of fruit imports from Mexico consider the tomato to be a vegetable, even though we all know it is really a fruit. Further, everyone's favorite, the avocado, is considered fruit in most calculations. Both of these anomalies skew the results to the point where lemon imports may not be the best indicator of highway fatalities.

It's all so confusing

Coconuts are drupes, Peanuts are beans, Strawberries are accessory fruits and Avocados are berries.

 

[xBiffx]

I know. Both you and eskimospy are right. This mass murder and his reasons behind it still have me so upset. I just want this guy to feel the pain that most of this nation feels right now

I don't think that will ever happen partially because this guy apparently feels nothing. Our system isn't perfect, but what system could make anyone get exactly what they deserve. Even Hammurabi's Code wasn't that perfect. This guy only has one useless life to give back, not nine meaningful ones. There is a higher order to things and he will get what is coming to him.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

you know, it's not even fucking worth it to waste the time and energy to explain exactly how this was a purely race driven attack, per the attacker no less, to people who are either oblivious to the facts or willfully ignoring them

Watch this Jon Stewart clip from last night. It says, well, pretty much everything about the state of our country and racism right now
Or don't, I don't give a fuck.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/kb2h42/charleston-church-shooting

 

[Jaskalas]

I didn't flee from anything, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain colors to a willfully blind person.

Edit: But if you're really willing to take the blinders off you're still welcome to respond to this.

Yeah, there's a big picture involved when an Al Qaeda member kills people.
You... don't understand the difference between this and September 11th?

You continue to fail at pointing fingers and naming names at the big picture with this kid. Who supports him? It's time for you to fail to answer, again.
Still waiting for you to show me the "entire political media industry" responsible for inciting this.

 

[xBiffx]

you know, it's not even fucking worth it to waste the time and energy to explain exactly how this was a purely race driven attack, per the attacker no less, to people who are either oblivious to the facts or willfully ignoring them

Watch this Jon Stewart clip from last night. It says, well, pretty much everything about the state of our country and racism right now
Or don't, I don't give a fuck.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/kb2h42/charleston-church-shooting

It's not even fucking worth it to waste the time and energy to explain exactly how this attack isn't at all an indication of an overall race problem in this country to people who are either oblivious to the facts or willfully ignoring them.

 

[dank69]

It's not even fucking worth it to waste the time and energy to explain exactly how this attack isn't at all an indication of an overall race problem in this country to people who are either oblivious to the facts or willfully ignoring them.

Of course, when a Muslim kills a bunch of people in the name of Jihad, that isn't a mental issue, right?

 

[xBiffx]

Of course, when a Muslim kills a bunch of people in the name of Jihad, that isn't a mental issue, right?

Let me know when a jihadist and a racist are equivalent. Until then, take your false equivalency somewhere else. Oh and by the way, yeah I would say killing people in mass for any reason makes you suspect of having mental issues.

 

[HomerJS]

Are you serious or just trolling? There are definitely a lot of mentally ill in Daesh, but I don't know enough about that particular person's psychology to comment. We can't even see his face, yeah? You can argue that Islam is itself a mental illness and I won't argue against you.

Completely. Right now we have no evidence of diagnosable mental illness other then racism.

Like the ISIS guy he committed a terroristic act with a pronouncement that he wanted other people to know what is doing and why.

 

[CitizenKain]

Yeah, there's a big picture involved when an Al Qaeda member kills people.
You... don't understand the difference between this and September 11th?

You continue to fail at pointing fingers and naming names at the big picture with this kid. Who supports him? It's time for you to fail to answer, again.

How about other white supremacists? What about all the people over the years on rightwing message boards just hoping someone would start the race war. How about spidey, I bet he damn near pissed himself at the hope maybe this would be it.

What exactly is it you want, a large banner hung up in front of the KKK's local chapter saying "We support Roof!"? They aren't going to admit that in public, even the KKK isn't that stupid.

 

[Blanky]

Of course, when a Muslim kills a bunch of people in the name of Jihad, that isn't a mental issue, right?

Considering millions of Muslims are totally okay with terrorism no I don't think that many of them could be mentally ill.

Most here appreciate that this guy was nuts and absent that nuttiness he wouldn't have killed 9 people regardless of his racism. Now that is just going on what little we know.

Can we make a solemn promise? Here it is: if it turns out this guy has no history of mental illness or particularly screwed up behavior we can conclude as sheik yerbouti states that it is "purely" race driven.

But on the other hand when we find out this guy was pretty bonkers we can stop pretending that racism alone in the US can bring a guy to murder 9 people over their race.

 

[blastingcap]

The only relationship I can see is the media and their sensationalist journalism. Interesting how you lapped it up just like they intended. It's no wonder why they keep doing it.

Can you be less of a dick? I refused to even comment on the Spokane woman here or anywhere else. So cut the crap about how I "lapped it up just like they intended." I was just saying it was the other most commented on news story and drawing a link to this one--even if her story wasn't nearly as newsworthy.

This dipshit who killed 9 is obviously newsworthy; one victim was even a state legislator in addition to her leadership position in church. AND it was in a house of worship and the circumstances were pretty screwed up AND the suspect appears to be a racist and the father appears to be a complete idiot for giving him a gun. So fuck you for pretending like 9 lives don't matter and equating it to the Spokane story.

To repeat, I was just saying that both cases seem to involve people who had identity issues and made race a focal point for self-identification.

One didn't have a great relationship with her parents but apparently did with her black adopted brothers and deliberately identified with blacks. Another was a loner who doubled down on his racial identity and targeted black people. The irony is that although both targeted blacks, they did so in drastically different ways.

 

[boomerang]

you know, it's not even fucking worth it to waste the time and energy to explain exactly how this was a purely race driven attack, per the attacker no less, to people who are either oblivious to the facts or willfully ignoring them

Watch this Jon Stewart clip from last night. It says, well, pretty much everything about the state of our country and racism right now
Or don't, I don't give a fuck.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/kb2h42/charleston-church-shooting

Thanks for the option because I didn't watch. But maybe you could explain to us all the importance of being certain with no shadow of a doubt that these killings were driven by racism. I ask because I don't see how it affects where we are today as it relates to this case.

Guy kills people. Reason determined to be racism. People still dead. Guy still did it. And...what?

Guy kills people. Reason determined not to be racism. People still dead. Guy still did it. And...what?

Why this intense desire to prove something that changes nothing?

 

[dank69]

Let me know when a jihadist and a racist are equivalent. Until then, take your false equivalency somewhere else. Oh and by the way, yeah I would say killing people in mass for any reason makes you suspect of having mental issues.

Are you saying Jihadi killing is worse than what this guy did?

 

[HomerJS]

Blacks compose 13% of the population and commit over 50% of the murders in this country, but your right, its just a few sick individuals, not a culture problem...

middle to upper class black people don't commit murders in the same proportions so goodbye to your argument.

 

[Perknose]

Let me know when a jihadist and a racist are equivalent.

Both hate an entire group of people for ideological reasons. There, that wasn't so hard, was it?

 

[dank69]

Considering millions of Muslims are totally okay with terrorism no I don't think that many of them could be mentally ill.

Most here appreciate that this guy was nuts and absent that nuttiness he wouldn't have killed 9 people regardless of his racism. Now that is just going on what little we know.

Can we make a solemn promise? Here it is: if it turns out this guy has no history of mental illness or particularly screwed up behavior we can conclude as sheik yerbouti states that it is "purely" race driven.

But on the other hand when we find out this guy was pretty bonkers we can stop pretending that racism alone in the US can bring a guy to murder 9 people over their race.

I see, so religion driving people to kill innocents = not insane but racism driving this person to kill = insane. Or is it religion can drive a person to kill without requiring them to also be insane but racism isn't enough to drive a person to kill without added insanity?

 

[xBiffx]

Can you be less of a dick? I refused to even comment on the Spokane woman here or anywhere else, so fuck off for assuming I "lapped it up just like they intended." That woman was hardly newsworthy imho but people kept commenting on it anyway because it apparently struck a chord. This dipshit who killed 9 is obviously newsworthy so fuck you for pretending like it's not newsworthy.

I was just saying that both cases seem to involve people who had identity issues and made race a focal point for self-identification.

One didn't have a great relationship with her parents but apparently did with her black adopted brothers and deliberately identified with blacks. Another was a loner who doubled down on his racial identity and targeted black people.

If you don't like it just skip it instead of randomly insulting people for things they didn't do.

You refused to comment until you didn't. You are trying to make everything about race, just like the media wants. I simply called you out for that. Sorry, neither is all about race. They are about individual who are batshit crazy. You want to try connecting incoherent dots, go right ahead, but don't get all pissy when someone tells you how silly it is. Really, identity issues in the case of the shooter?

Grow some thicker skin. Problem solved.

 

[dank69]

Thanks for the option because I didn't watch. But maybe you could explain to us all the importance of being certain with no shadow of a doubt that these killings were driven by racism. I ask because I don't see how it affects where we are today as it relates to this case.

Guy kills people. Reason determined to be racism. People still dead. Guy still did it. And...what?

Guy kills people. Reason determined not to be racism. People still dead. Guy still did it. And...what?

Why this intense desire to prove something that changes nothing?

Anything to shift the focus off of the festering cesspool of racism that permeates our society, eh boomer?