I would say a comparable number of white supremacists are ok with this kind of terrorism
Considering millions of Muslims are totally okay with terrorism no I don't think that many of them could be mentally ill.
Most here appreciate that this guy was nuts and absent that nuttiness he wouldn't have killed 9 people regardless of his racism. Now that is just going on what little we know.
Can we make a solemn promise? Here it is: if it turns out this guy has no history of mental illness or particularly screwed up behavior we can conclude as sheik yerbouti states that it is "purely" race driven.
But on the other hand when we find out this guy was pretty bonkers we can stop pretending that racism alone in the US can bring a guy to murder 9 people over their race.
Both hate an entire group of people for ideological reasons. There, that wasn't so hard, was it?
You refused to comment until you didn't. You are trying to make everything about race, just like the media wants. I simply called you out for that. Sorry, neither is all about race. They are about individual who are batshit crazy. You want to try connecting incoherent dots, go right ahead, but don't get all pissy when someone tells you how silly it is. Really, identity issues in the case of the shooter?
Grow some thicker skin. Problem solved.
You don't see.I see, so religion driving people to kill innocents = not insane but racism driving this person to kill = insane. Or is it religion can drive a person to kill without requiring them to also be insane but racism isn't enough to drive a person to kill without added insanity?
You refused to comment until you didn't. You are trying to make everything about race, just like the media wants. I simply called you out for that. Sorry, neither is all about race. They are about individual who are batshit crazy. You want to try connecting incoherent dots, go right ahead, but don't get all pissy when someone tells you how silly it is. Really, identity issues in the case of the shooter?
Grow some thicker skin. Problem solved.
You didn't call me out for shit, you delusional dipshit. Some stories aren't about race, I agree, but this one? COME ON. If there is any truth in what he allegedly said to the people there, along with his past, then the shooting had lots to do with race. I didn't say 100% had to do with race, I myself earlier in the thread said I suspected he was mentally ill. But race had plenty to do with it even if it wasn't 100% of the story. You've got to be crazy to believe otherwise.
Why are you so angry? Most mass shooters have a history of mental illness. Until we can say for sure this guy didn't it is reasonable to assume he did and thus despite race being a contributing factor it is quite presumptive to call it the only one.he wanted to start a race war, how the fuck is this anything other than a racially motivated attack?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html
Forget it, I'm done with shitheels in this thread thinking it's just a mental illness issue. Fucking morons, every single last one of them
I suppose you have sources for this? We may know what percentage of Muslims support terrorism but do we have a comparable study on white supremacists? I bet the percentage of actual white supremacists who support the murder of black people will be quite high.You don't see.
A significant number of Muslims are terrorists and a much, much larger number condone/support it (as we know from many polls including from legitimate organizations). By its definition insanity cannot be such unless it is a very fringe and small population.
Race based killings in the US are quite rare. Moreover if you popped the country you would find support for what this guy did in an infinitesimal portion of the population.
I hope that helps.
You don't see.
A significant number of Muslims are terrorists and a much, much larger number condone/support it (as we know from many polls including from legitimate organizations). By its definition insanity cannot be such unless it is a very fringe and small population.
Race based killings in the US are quite rare. Moreover if you popped the country you would find support for what this guy did in an infinitesimal portion of the population.
I hope that helps.
csnt find any. Hundreds of us based white suprem groups but I am pretty sure most are extremely small. As a total number I would be very very surprised if there are a million white supremacists in the US. But I can't find any numbersI suppose you have sources for this? We may know what percentage of Muslims support terrorism but do we have a comparable study on white supremacists? I bet the percentage of actual white supremacists who support the murder of black people will be quite high.
Yet I'm the one being a dick here. Gotcha.
I never said this wasn't about race. But you said both are about identity issues. That is a very silly premise.
I didn't start anything, YOU did. I'm chewing you out because you chewed me out, and for what?
Now you're reversing course and saying you never said this wasn't about race.
Racism is fundamentally about identity so don't pretend like it isn't.
One is completely defined by killing the people they hate, the other isn't. Sorry you can't see the difference.
Jihadists don't kill everyone they hate. But both jihadist muslims and white racists brand an entire group of people as sub-human, fostering an atmosphere that give cover and comfort to murderous violence, be they the lynchings that still happened in my lifetime here or the beheading that happen in the ME now.
Sure, as a more socially advanced society, we now allow those we formally did not the right to vote and eat in the same restaurants, although this was a decades long effort involving the murders of those, white and black, striving for it, and, eventually, the need for armed troops to enforce it. So, now, finally, the outright, unmitigated violence here is less.
But, hey, you can desperately dance and deflect and equivocate all you want, but if you really don't see that white American racism and militant jihadism are born out of the same seed of hate which gives cover and encouragement to murderous violence such as just happened, it can only be out of your willful, ideologically born blindness.
The question is, why do you willfully refuse to see this?
It's important to note that most tabulations of fruit imports from Mexico consider the tomato to be a vegetable, even though we all know it is really a fruit. Further, everyone's favorite, the avocado, is considered fruit in most calculations. Both of these anomalies skew the results to the point where lemon imports may not be the best indicator of highway fatalities.
People in this thread were claiming that the motive might not be racism.
Are you as dumb as michal1980? That line was clearly sarcasm mimicking exactly how this forum reacts to stories about black people behaving badly.
Where did I chew you out again? You took exception to something I said. Sounds like you wanted to be offended/outraged. Not my fault.
By the way anyone think that the two most commented on stories this week are oddly related?
In one case we have a woman who feels alienated from white people and enthusiastically embraces people of African ethnicity and even lies and claims to be African-American herself, blackface/tanning oil and all.
In another we have a kid who probably felt lost and in search of an identity; he was described as a loner etc. Apparently he wound up seeking his identity within his racial background and hating black people. I guess it made him feel better about himself.
In both cases the person sought an identity for himself or herself and targeted the African-American community--in vastly different ways.
The only relationship I can see is the media and their sensationalist journalism. Interesting how you lapped it up just like they intended. It's no wonder why they keep doing it.
You refused to comment until you didn't. You are trying to make everything about race, just like the media wants. I simply called you out for that. Sorry, neither is all about race. They are about individual who are batshit crazy. You want to try connecting incoherent dots, go right ahead, but don't get all pissy when someone tells you how silly it is. Really, identity issues in the case of the shooter?
Grow some thicker skin. Problem solved.
Although there is some truth in what you say, remember that comedians like Chris Rock say stuff about black people all the time and people think it's funny because there's some truth in that too. Same with things like StuffWhitePeopleLike, there's a bit of truth in there. But it's only a partial truth.
I mean, you say "white culture" and "white values" as if they were monolithic. They aren't. You have gays, hipsters, geeks, jocks, trust fund babies, born again Christians, and what some people call "white trash." Similarly among black people there is a spectrum there as well.
In any case, I don't think many people are trying to pretend like he wasn't a racist. The photos of him make me think he's mentally ill, possibly paranoid schizophrenic (which often hits men in their early to mid 20s which is why you see shooters like the guy who shot up the Batman movie theater).
this forum typical reacts by excusing all actions by 'group xyz', except when its white.
Why are you so angry? Most mass shooters have a history of mental illness. Until we can say for sure this guy didn't it is reasonable to assume he did and thus despite race being a contributing factor it is quite presumptive to call it the only one.
If you were as bright as you feel you are, you'd have noticed that I have been arguing nothing in regards to Roof's motives in this thread. The reason for that I spelled out in the post you quoted - it has no bearing on the end result. This obsession of the leftists/progressives to get everyone to agree with their view of things used to be somewhat interesting but it has long since become tiresome. It's got you so torqued up that you can't interpret my post without putting your own internal spin on it. You can't take it at face value, you must find the "deeper meaning" within my words. Well, keep trying if it gives you joy.Anything to shift the focus off of the festering cesspool of racism that permeates our society, eh boomer?
Glad to see the Progressive Left is using yet another tragedy to push their agenda, well done.
Glad to see the Progressive Left is using yet another tragedy to push their agenda, well done.