Multiple fatalities in shooting at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church

[MountainKing]

Why is this guy's 'religion' not mentioned by the media? Had it been a 'Muslim', it would have been islam's fault naturally...

 

[dank69]

Second page and the word "savage" is conspicuously absent.

 

[Genx87]

Why is this guy's 'religion' not mentioned by the media? Had it been a 'Muslim', it would have been islam's fault naturally...

Doesn't sound like he was killing in the name of an organized religion.

 

[MountainKing]

Doesn't sound like he was killing in the name of an organized religion.

Anyway, absolutely heinous, despicable and totally condemnable act

 

[ivwshane]

Why is this guy's 'religion' not mentioned by the media? Had it been a 'Muslim', it would have been islam's fault naturally...

Because when it's a white guy it's because of mental illness and is just one bad apple. When it's a black guy, it's a cultural thing. When it's a Muslim it's the fault of the Muslim religion.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Why is this guy's 'religion' not mentioned by the media? Had it been a 'Muslim', it would have been islam's fault naturally...

It's not clear what his religion is (other than the fact that he participated for several minutes in this prayer group before opening fire). There seems to be no reason to believe his religion had anything to do with motivating this crime - rather, it appears he was motivated by racism (and, likely, by mental illness). Islamic terrorists are explicitly committing their acts of terrorism for religious reasons, and thus their faith is directly relevant.

 

[Genx87]

Anyway, absolutely heinous, despicable and totally condemnable act

Absolutely

 

[MountainKing]

It's not clear what his religion is (other than the fact that he participated for several minutes in this prayer group before opening fire). There seems to be no reason to believe his religion had anything to do with motivating this crime - rather, it appears he was motivated by racism (and, likely, by mental illness). Islamic terrorists are explicitly committing their acts of terrorism for religious reasons, and thus their faith is directly relevant.

The same logic should apply to islamic terrorists. They are mentally ill and absolutely do not represent the silent Islamic majority.
A more accurate and factual statement by the media would be "A person stating to be amuslim committed x stuff."
Not because someone blows himself off or goes on a killing spree/mass shooting in the name of God does that make him a Muslim or Christian or insert the faith that you want...

 

[Humpy]

It's not clear what his religion is (other than the fact that he participated for several minutes in this prayer group before opening fire). There seems to be no reason to believe his religion had anything to do with motivating this crime - rather, it appears he was motivated by racism (and, likely, by mental illness). Islamic terrorists are explicitly committing their acts of terrorism for religious reasons, and thus their faith is directly relevant.

This post exposes some of the bias involved. For some people an underlying cause is sought for the motivation to commit crime (mental illness > racism > murder). For other people, little or no underlying source of motivation is sought (religion > terrorism).

 

[Genx87]

The same logic should apply to islamic terrorists. They are mentally ill and absolutely do not represent the silent Islamic majority.
A more accurate and factual statement by the media would be "A person stating to be amuslim committed x stuff."
Not because someone blows himself off or goes on a killing spree/mass shooting in the name of God does that make him a Muslim or Christian or insert the faith that you want...

Islamic terrorists state they are killing in the name of Islam. That makes reporting the religion newsworthy. This guy so far as we know did not kill in the name of an organized religion. He is a known racist. And with his words used during the killing sounds like racism is the motivator for this brutal act of violence. So what would reporting his religion bring to the story?

 

[CitizenKain]

We have media that supports apartheid?



"People", that's as specific as you get eh?

You guys sound real credible here...being unable to substantiate the source behind the kid's motive... even though you "know" what that source was.

Dude, what the fuck are talking about? If you are simply too stupid to understand what others are talking about, shut the fuck up and listen.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The same logic should apply to islamic terrorists. They are mentally ill and absolutely do not represent the silent Islamic majority.
A more accurate and factual statement by the media would be "A person stating to be amuslim committed x stuff."
Not because someone blows himself off or goes on a killing spree/mass shooting in the name of God does that make him a Muslim or Christian or insert the faith that you want...

I disagree. There is no reason to think that all terrorists are mentally ill. When a highly organized terrorist organization like al Qaeda commits a complex, orchestrated act of terror (e.g., 9/11, the USS Cole attack, or an embassy bombing), specifically as a means of terrorizing nonbelievers in Islam, it is appropriately characterized as an act of Islamic terrorism, just as the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition were acts of awful religious violence committed in the name of Christianity.

I certainly agree that the majority of Muslims are peaceful and law-abiding, but there is also a significant percentage (including, unfortunately, some of the religion's most powerful leaders) who believe that violence in the name of Islam is not only defensible but mandatory. That is not true of any other mainstream faith in the present day.

 

[keird]

Second page and the word "savage" is conspicuously absent.

hei·nous
ˈhānəs
adjective
(of a person or wrongful act, especially a crime) utterly odious or wicked.
"a battery of heinous crimes"
synonyms: odious, wicked, evil, atrocious, monstrous, abominable, detestable, contemptible, reprehensible, despicable, egregious, horrific, terrible, awful, abhorrent, loathsome, hideous, unspeakable, execrable; iniquitous, villainous, beyond the pale

sav·age
ˈsavij
adjective
1.
(of an animal or force of nature) fierce, violent, and uncontrolled.
"tales of a savage beast"
synonyms: ferocious, fierce; wild, untamed, untamable, undomesticated, feral
"savage dogs"

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[michal1980]

Second page and the word "savage" is conspicuously absent.

a full large number of pages full of people trying to label white people as some gun nutter terrorists, and you have no problem with that, but you are still trying to make non-racist words racist.

 

[Darwin333]

who go to raves with glow sticks and drugs.

Also he does not look white at all to me.

Ever been to a rave with glow sticks and drugs? It's almost predominantly white folk.

 

[dank69]

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Are you trying to say that this was not a savage attack?

 

[bshole]

Obama was right to speak on gun control in the wake of this mass murder. Unfortunately all he ever does is speak, we don't need words we need action. He hasn't passed a single meaningful control law since he has taken office. Quite sad really.

 

[finglobes]

Obama the vampire already using the dead politically before they are barley cold. Only when white kooks use guns does he hype crimes for gun control within hours. If this guy was a Muslim Brother killing Jews he wouldn't even say anything. Maybe he would even protect shooter and call crime "workplace violence". At least he didn't fake a tear like he did with Newton. Where's all the fuss over the dozens/hundreds of blacks killed in Baltimore/Chcago? Blacks lives don't really matter to Obama and this church crime is just another political opportunity for this creature

 

[Blackjack200]

I disagree. There is no reason to think that all terrorists are mentally ill. When a highly organized terrorist organization like al Qaeda commits a complex, orchestrated act of terror (e.g., 9/11, the USS Cole attack, or an embassy bombing), specifically as a means of terrorizing nonbelievers in Islam, it is appropriately characterized as an act of Islamic terrorism, just as the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition were acts of awful religious violence committed in the name of Christianity.

I certainly agree that the majority of Muslims are peaceful and law-abiding, but there is also a significant percentage (including, unfortunately, some of the religion's most powerful leaders) who believe that violence in the name of Islam is not only defensible but mandatory. That is not true of any other mainstream faith in the present day.

The 9/11 attacks and the Cole attack were not specifically a means of terrorizing nonbelievers of Islam, but I agree that they should be characterized as Islamic terrrorism because the perpetrators identified as Islamic and carried out the attacks in the name of Islam.

In the same way, this should be considered an act of racial terrorism as it was carried out by a man that identified as white, and carried out his attack on behalf of the white race.

 

[Blanky]

Because when it's a white guy it's because of mental illness and is just one bad apple. When it's a black guy, it's a cultural thing. When it's a Muslim it's the fault of the Muslim religion.

So he isn't mentally ill? I think only a total nut job does this. It is a crime quite unlike most shootings.

 

[Darwin333]

Without knowing any facts yet I assume he was another nutty person who slipped trough the cracks and who was known by many to have major problems but these were not taken sufficiently seriously.

It is as usual a confluence of issues; access to guns,mental illness, possibly some racism but really there are plenty of racists who never do this. The inevitable serious mental problems are certainly the biggest cause of this.

Some of the pics already up of him show a very weird looking person.

Even if they did take it sufficiently serious our mental health programs and facilities in this country are woefully lacking. In most places there are huge shortages of medical professionals which allows them to be very selective of their patients. From what I understand that usually means people with private insurance because it pays better and people with a severe mental illness usually have a very hard time holding down long term employment and therefore no private insurance.

 

[Genx87]

Obama was right to speak on gun control in the wake of this mass murder. Unfortunately all he ever does is speak, we don't need words we need action. He hasn't passed a single meaningful control law since he has taken office. Quite sad really.

Yes yes the bodies haven't even cooled yet. Need to push that agenda!

 

[dank69]

Obama was right to speak on gun control in the wake of this mass murder. Unfortunately all he ever does is speak, we don't need words we need action. He hasn't passed a single meaningful control law since he has taken office. Quite sad really.

How do you propose he accomplish that with a GOP controlled House?

 

[Genx87]

Obama the vampire already using the dead politically before they are barley cold. Only when white kooks use guns does he hype crimes for gun control within hours. If this guy was a Muslim Brother killing Jews he wouldn't even say anything. Maybe he would even protect shooter and call crime "workplace violence". At least he didn't fake a tear like he did with Newton. Where's all the fuss over the dozens/hundreds of blacks killed in Baltimore/Chcago? Blacks lives don't really matter to Obama and this church crime is just another political opportunity for this creature

I have a hard time taking anybody serious in govt when they discuss gun control to save peoples lives while selling massive amounts of guns to people around the globe. The United States Govt is the largest exporter of weapons in the world. Obama should start there if he wants to enact gun control. The weapons he sells kill tens of thousands each year.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

obama the vampire already using the dead politically before they are barley cold. Only when white kooks use guns does he hype crimes for gun control within hours. If this guy was a muslim brother killing jews he wouldn't even say anything. Maybe he would even protect shooter and call crime "workplace violence". At least he didn't fake a tear like he did with newton. Where's all the fuss over the dozens/hundreds of blacks killed in baltimore/chcago? Blacks lives don't really matter to obama and this church crime is just another political opportunity for this creature

seek psychiatric help now.