Multiple fatalities in shooting at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church

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Wonderful. Well if true that would seem to settle that. The guy was quite literally insane, drugged out of his mind, probably should have been committed long ago. And his uncle gave him a gun. /facepalm

You are making numerous assumptions based on little or no evidence. At this point we know that he was in possession of a drug used to help opiate addicts refrain from doing drugs, and that there are rumors of Roof taking a lot of drugs. None of those facts means he is "quite literally insane," much less that there was ever a basis for committing him.
 

runzwithsizorz

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Assult weapons are allready regulated, just beacause a semi automatic rifle looks like a M-16 or an AK-47 does not mean it functions the same way.

If this boys father gave him a weapon as a present, this should be examined. Usually racism is a learned, I wonder if the apple didn't fall far from the tree in this instance.

Should't be any class of "hate" crimes, they are just crimes, some more serious and brutal that others.

I disagree with that statement, racism is *taught*. You cannot learn racism.
Ever see young children at a playground being racist?
 

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So the guy had a license plate saying Confederate States of America. A jacket with Apartheid flag patches. And said black people rape his women and deserve to go.

Seems pretty racial right wing ideology to me..
 

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You are making numerous assumptions based on little or no evidence. At this point we know that he was in possession of a drug used to help opiate addicts refrain from doing drugs, and that there are rumors of Roof taking a lot of drugs. None of those facts means he is "quite literally insane," much less that there was ever a basis for committing him.

I never said I had a viable legal case.

And by insane I suppose I mean "under the influence of a psychoactive drug". "Effectively insane" if you prefer. Just from what I'm reading, the drugs played no small part in his actions.
 
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I never said I had a viable legal case.

And by insane I suppose I mean "under the influence of a psychoactive drug". "Effectively insane" if you prefer. Just from what I'm reading, the drugs played no small part in his actions.

The "source" for Drudge's characterization of the drug is none other than Infowars.com (which is already calling this a false flag attack). I have no idea if suboxone causes any violent tendencies, but I certainly don't think the existence of some complaints to that effect on the Internet are a credible authority for the proposition that it does.
 
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I never said I had a viable legal case.

And by insane I suppose I mean "under the influence of a psychoactive drug". "Effectively insane" if you prefer. Just from what I'm reading, the drugs played no small part in his actions.

Sounds like he's had issues with drugs for quite some time. Though I'm surprised he father wasn't aware when he gave him the gun.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ston-church-shooting-suspect-dylann-roof.html

“He used drugs heavily a lot,” Mullins said. “It obviously harder than marijuana. He was like a pill popper, from what I understood. Like Xanax, and stuff like that.”
 

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I only disagree in that there is no indication Roof had an affiliation with any organization, which is a prerequisite to calling this an act of terrorism, at least under any definition of terrorism I know of. It certainly looks like a racially motivated attack.
Perhaps for strictly legal purposes, but his intention appears to be driven solely by the desire to terrorize people based on a well-visualized ideology. From a practical standpoint, I don't think his inability to link up with a formal organization really changes anything. In fact, seems to me to be even worse, as peer pressure would tend to discourage this behavior.

What a putrid shithole and shithead of a people - beef munching vermin who think the earth is 6000 years old.

Must be those wonderful judeo-christian 'values!'

what are these idiots doing about their gun culture? No protests? Poor Abe, must be turning over in his grave - right Obama?

Like that Euro trash that murdered kids in his attack in Norway, this is another fine example of Christian Terrorism - bringing you mayhem, genocide, slavery, and zombie worship from the Religion of Love (RoL) - just like the Religion of Peace (RoP).

Sigh.. untouchables...
I swear to Cow, you are an idiot. YOU I agree should not eat beef. Cows are much smarter than you. And much nicer. And I suspect they smell better. It is entirely natural that you would want to worship them, as they are your superiors in every way.

You are making numerous assumptions based on little or no evidence. At this point we know that he was in possession of a drug used to help opiate addicts refrain from doing drugs, and that there are rumors of Roof taking a lot of drugs. None of those facts means he is "quite literally insane," much less that there was ever a basis for committing him.
Agreed, but they are surely sufficient to make arming him seem like a criminally dumb idea.
 

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What a putrid shithole and shithead of a people - beef munching vermin who think the earth is 6000 years old.

Must be those wonderful judeo-christian 'values!'

what are these idiots doing about their gun culture? No protests? Poor Abe, must be turning over in his grave - right Obama?

Like that Euro trash that murdered kids in his attack in Norway, this is another fine example of Christian Terrorism - bringing you mayhem, genocide, slavery, and zombie worship from the Religion of Love (RoL) - just like the Religion of Peace (RoP).

Sigh.. untouchables...

Wait, untouchables. Like, you seriously believe in the caste system? I didn't think people who believed in that were allowed into this country, since anyone who believes in it is human garbage. Must have snuck in.
 

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The "source" for Drudge's characterization of the drug is none other than Infowars.com. I have no idea if suboxone causes any violent tendencies, but I certainly don't think the existence of some complaints to that effect on the Internet are a credible authority for the proposition that it does.

I take prednisone (corticosteroid) for Polymyalgia Rheumatica and when I was taking high doses I occasionally experienced Roid Rage symptoms. No where in the information for prednisone does it warn about it causing rage/anger. I think there's a strong possibility that suboxone could cause violent tendencies.
 

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I take prednisone (corticosteroid) for Polymyalgia Rheumatica and when I was taking high doses I occasionally experienced Roid Rage symptoms. No where in the information for prednisone does it warn about it causing rage/anger. I think there's a strong possibility that suboxone could cause violent tendencies.

According to some google searching, it can affect somewhere
between 1-10%, mainly when stopping use or abusing it.
 
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I take prednisone (corticosteroid) for Polymyalgia Rheumatica and when I was taking high doses I occasionally experienced Roid Rage symptoms. No where in the information for prednisone does it warn about it causing rage/anger. I think there's a strong possibility that suboxone could cause violent tendencies.

Actually the package insert for prednisone clearly indicates this. From http://bidocs.boehringer-ingelheim..../Prednisone+Reformulated/PredniSONEReform.pdf:

Psychiatric derangements may appear when corticosteroids are used, ranging from euphoria, insomnia, mood swings, personality changes, and severe depression, to frank psychotic manifestations. Also, existing emotional instability or psychotic tendencies may be aggravated by corticosteroids.

That is not the case with suboxone, though anxiety is listed as a potential side effect - https://www.suboxone.com/content/pdfs/prescribing-information.pdf

Now, the fact that clinical trials of suboxone didn't show aggression as a side effect doesn't mean it is out of the realm of possibility, but I am not going to presume that is true just because some anonymous posters on the internet say it's so.
 
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Thursday while reporting on the tragic aftermath of the mass shooting live from outside the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston Don Lemon was yelled at by a Africa-American woman upset with the coverage.

Right before Lemon is in introduced you can hear the woman off camera shout, “Report the real truth. We are angry. White people are terrorists.”

Once lemon came on the woman went on camera and said several times “Are you angry Don?”

Before they cut away she added, “The President is a puppet. Stop the Lies. He’s an uncle Tom too. President Obama is an Uncle Tom.”

hat tip to Pam Key


Very intersting that so many people want to gin up the rage, violence, hate..........
 
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Black activists fear ‘race war’ amid Charleston shooting

By S.A. Miller - The Washington Times - Thursday, June 18, 2015
CHARLESTON, S.C. — Black community activists raised alarms Thursday about the mass murder at the historic black church potentially sparking race riots in Charleston, South Carolina.

“We don’t need any more bloodshed and we don’t need a race war,” pleaded J. Denise Cromwell, a black community activists. “Charleston has a lot of racial tension. … We’re drowning and someone is pouring water over us.”

Ms. Cromwell said that nerves were still raw from the fatal shooting two months ago of a black man, Walter Scott, by a white police officer in neighboring North Charleston, which ignited major protests.
 

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I'd rather address the poverty and mental health issues that are the root cause of crimes like these. This is not a gun issue, this is a social violence issue. But guns are easy to target for those who fear them.

And if you really would shy away from having kids because of American gun violence you only show your ignorance. All violent crime, including gun crime, is going down and has been going down for over 10 years nationally. These mass shootings are a drop in the bucket compared to what Chicago suffers in a single month.

http://time.com/3577026/crime-rates-drop-1970s/

No doubt Chicago has many more gun deaths. This is a drop in the bucket, I agree with that statement.

Let's talk about poverty. Do you really think poverty is exclusive to America? I've lived in Thailand for half a year. I've visited villages and not once did I feel that my life was in danger. Don't get me wrong. There is violence in Thailand. A British couple was savagely beaten last September. The girl raped multiple times and bludgeoned w/ a garden hose. My point though is the rate that these things happen aren't nearly as frequent as they happen in America.

Yes, gun violence has gone down. Especially these types of gun violence. IMO, a mental health check should be given to everyone that wants to purchase a weapon. This is something the NRA opposes. We have way too many guns on our streets, so I doubt anything can be done anyway.
 

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A sick criminal is a product of a sick society and culture; this guy is the epitome of western "culture" and society - gun-toting, bible-thumping, inbred sack of shit prone to murderous rampages and other acts of terrorism. In other words, a "good Christian" living up to those Judeo-Christian "values!"

Enough with the bigoted posts. -Admin DrPizza
 
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Nah it's an ideological opportunity for the gun control activists, who will no doubt generalize one racist psychopath to all gun owners to further demonize and restrict those who had no part in this.

People are nuts, stupid, angry, jealous, racist, violent... Giving guns to any of them never made sense to me since any normal, responsible person can turn at any time. The point is moot though; the world is awash in guns, and everywhere they exist in large concentrations bad things happen (edit: except for Switzerland which is largely a monoculture where there is little poverty, which breeds crime). But they're obviously here to stay.

The only ones laughing all the way to the bank are the gun manufacturers and groups that shill for them like the NRA while the rest of us are left to grieve the dead.
 
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irishScott

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A sick criminal is a product of a sick society and culture; this guy is the epitome of western "culture" and society - gun-toting, bible-thumping, inbred sack of shit prone to murderous rampages and other acts of terrorism. In other words, a "good Christian" living up to those Judeo-Christian "values!"

You do realize that by your own standards your own society is a lot sicker than ours, right? Guess these 6 guys are living up to those good Eastern Hindu values: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-32959841



Or you just eat your own shit and then spout about how great you are. No one here respects you, and if you constantly talk like this I bet no one in real life respects you. If you have kids they are probably humiliated to have you as a father, and the only way a woman would marry you was if it was arranged. Get out of here and go find a life.
 

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You do realize that by your own standards your own society is a lot sicker than ours, right? Guess these 6 guys are living up to those good Eastern Hindu values: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-32959841



Or you just eat your own shit and then spout about how great you are. No one here respects you, and if you constantly talk like this I bet no one in real life respects you. If you have kids they are probably humiliated to have you as a father, and the only way a woman would marry you was if it was arranged. Get out of here and go find a life.

Not at all - you being in America is a result of genocide, theft, and slavery of natives who've lived here for thousands of years. your diseased, shit-brained and worthless ancestors from the excrement of Europe (ireland) came here illegally and brought death and disease - oh, and your zombie worshiping "values."

funny a subhuman mongrel would talk about respect. your culture is borne of crime; that is a fact.

Also, this forum is not yours last time I checked - it was created by an Indian - you know - "Anand" in Anandtech.

Western culture is naught - untouchables talking about 'values' is hypocrisy.

Learn your place (far beneath the illiterate forest-dwellers of India) and get out of here.

You cannot refer to another poster here, of different ethnicity than you, as a subhuman mongrel.

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